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I don't know what that means, exactly!

It's OK, he completely lost me, too. Thanks for asking the stupid question.

 Alpharius wrote:
I don't know what that means, exactly!

What I and others were talking about on p33-4: PVC of average quality, from their very limited selection of PVC minis released.

 Alpharius wrote:
I don't know what that means, exactly!

Well, he said should he expect Wyrds standard quality. Wyrds standard product is multipart HIPS. However, they've done 2 pre-built PVC releases. Aionous as a 10th anniversary release, which was a very early release as he was released last year but was a character from Ripples of Fate, released this gencon. And the Twisted Alternates: Tortoise and Hare, which was a story encounter with 2 PVC models.

It's a different material and product to their standard HIPS products, and if you want to see an example of what they will likely produce, at least quality-wise, for The other Side, get one of those releases and judge for yourself.

I still find it hard to find pictures of actual WYRD models, and not just renders!

 Alpharius wrote:
I still find it hard to find pictures of actual WYRD models, and not just renders!

They only show renders on their boxes and official stuff. If you want to see actual plastics, gmorts chaotica is the sort of unofficial source. He shows unboxings with the sprue then the final model, and mentions and difficulties in construction. Specifically, the Tortoise and Hare set is here. He's got pretty close to everything, but for financial reasons is missing stuff.

Now that's one hell of a link - thanks!

The PVS Tortoise and Hare actually look pretty good too!

That's awesome. Maybe put it in the first post for easy finding??

 -Loki- wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I still find it hard to find pictures of actual WYRD models, and not just renders!

They only show renders on their boxes and official stuff. If you want to see actual plastics, gmorts chaotica is the sort of unofficial source. He shows unboxings with the sprue then the final model, and mentions and difficulties in construction. Specifically, the Tortoise and Hare set is here. He's got pretty close to everything, but for financial reasons is missing stuff.

Is he missing stuff, or has he just not released articles for everything?

Considering the resource he provides to Wyrd, he should probably be provided with all the models.

decker_cky wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I still find it hard to find pictures of actual WYRD models, and not just renders!

They only show renders on their boxes and official stuff. If you want to see actual plastics, gmorts chaotica is the sort of unofficial source. He shows unboxings with the sprue then the final model, and mentions and difficulties in construction. Specifically, the Tortoise and Hare set is here. He's got pretty close to everything, but for financial reasons is missing stuff.

Is he missing stuff, or has he just not released articles for everything?

Considering the resource he provides to Wyrd, he should probably be provided with all the models.

He doesn't get them for free. He buys what he intends to play, though lately it's grown a lot. There's stuff he doesn't buy for various reasons so they don't appear in there. If you look at the bottom there's a list of stuff he says won't be going up.

I think those are all first edition metals. Pretty sure he's had (or has on his queue) literally every plastic set.

The books are finally getting shipped and into people's hands.

I'm really glad that Archie and Shieldbearers (though I'll be kitbashing my own for these guys) made it through the beta the way they did.

Yeah, my online order got shipped Wednesday morning. Can't wait to paint up some Ice Dancers.

As an aside, the Schemes and Stones podcast seems to have finished going faction-by-faction and giving their initial reactions on the models' rules, the general way the new Masters play, and the usefulness of the other models in their respective factions:
http://schemesandstones.podbean.com/

Also a text rundown on what each individual model does: http://www.malifauxmusings.com/

Most importantly, Carlos Vasquez is a Showgirl. Finally, we have a male Showgirl!

 Absolutionis wrote:


Most importantly, Carlos Vasquez is a Showgirl. Finally, we have a male Showgirl!

The saddest part about Carlos is that he was originally going to look like Fabio. He was also insanely broken.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Yeah, my online order got shipped Wednesday morning. Can't wait to paint up some Ice Dancers.

As an aside, the Schemes and Stones podcast seems to have finished going faction-by-faction and giving their initial reactions on the models' rules, the general way the new Masters play, and the usefulness of the other models in their respective factions:
http://schemesandstones.podbean.com/

Also a text rundown on what each individual model does: http://www.malifauxmusings.com/

Most importantly, Carlos Vasquez is a Showgirl. Finally, we have a male Showgirl!

Fourth. The LE set came with 3.

Damn. I keep forgetting the Nightmare Edition Collette set exists.

News from Aaron on the forums yesterday.

Hey everyone,

GenCon has come and gone! A lot of our year is the build-up to GenCon, which means that you've now seen most of what we're able to show! As such, Monday Previews are going to become fewer and further between, at least for awhile. We'll keep the news coming, though, as there are plenty of things happening around Wyrd.

For now, I just have one "preview" for you -- we have commissioned the creation of a Malifaux App! If everything goes well, we are hoping for a release by the end of the year. I can't promise that, but we think it can be done. For now, though, just know that it's entering development!

Nathan said this:

Heh, before too much speculation goes on - he's talking crew, cards, tournament app, with some other goodies thrown in. Not a full on 'play Malifaux online' game. Though truth be known, we've been tossing that about as well ..

Cards are not going away, but a supplemental app for the game. Possibly something like Warroom for warmachine?

If it gives a digital display of a card with itneractive features such as turn, activation and condition tracking I'll be super happy.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but they will be running a Kickstarter for The Other Side to help err, kickstart the Allegiances (aka, factions). Its initially slated with 2 (the Kings Empire and the aquatic Gibbering Horde), but the other 2 mentioned are Cult of the Burning Man and the African nation of Abyssinia. I can only assume they learned some lessons from Through the Breach, as that was a mess of a campaign.

Another Wyrd- run campaign makes me... hesitantly curious? I didn't back through the breach, but I certainly watched it and all that became of it.

I don't understand why The Other Side won't be Malifaux-compatible. It seems to me that this should be a Warmachine / Hordes situation, in which the forces would be 100% gameplay compatible against one another.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I don't understand why The Other Side won't be Malifaux-compatible. It seems to me that this should be a Warmachine / Hordes situation, in which the forces would be 100% gameplay compatible against one another.

From the flyer I got, its an issue of scale, a skirmish vs. battallion level wargame. The grunt units in Malifaux are single guys, the "grunt" level in The Other Side appears squads and multibased fire teams. Your commanders give marching orders and set up larger scale battle plans than just engaging in the equivalent of the shootout in the OK Corral. It's set around the time of WW1 (the back of the flyer has a doughboy fighting a silurid). So it makes sense to design the rules to take advantage of the scale, rather than the GW method of MOAR DICE!

I imagine some of the champions will eventually get crossover cards though.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Another Wyrd- run campaign makes me... hesitantly curious? I didn't back through the breach, but I certainly watched it and all that became of it.

Well, fortunately the guy who mismanaged the first one is gone as far as I know, and Aaron seems to have a tighter handle on things.

Oh, I wasn't aware that this was a scale change - I figured it would just be a setting / tech change.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Another Wyrd- run campaign makes me... hesitantly curious? I didn't back through the breach, but I certainly watched it and all that became of it.

To be fair, it's a different situation that Through the Breach had. TtB was basically 'we have a neat idea for a Malifaux RPG'. They got the backing then started development on it. They've been showing test prints and renders for The Other Side sporadically for about a year now, and asked for the public to sign up for a closed beta test about that long ago as well. That tells me the game has been in active development for quite some time, as well as miniatures at least being in the testing phase.

My guess when the kickstarter rolls around is that it's going to be pretty close to production ready.

Preassembled makes PVC my biggest concern. I can expect Wyrd to make a pretty mechanically sound, overly complex game, but material and pricing will be #1. #2 concern is support, since IIRC TTB is the only non-Mali wyrd product that's seen substantial support after launch.

If they're launching a battalion level wargame, I'd guess there's plans for substantial support there.

In fact, I have a hunch that's how they plan to make more substantial releases per month as a company, and was the driving force behind getting caught up on Malifaux releases. By Gencon next year, everything for Malifaux will be released, since there's just not much left to release and we've got a full year ahead of us. That means by book 5, they won't have much at all, maybe 6 months releases for Malifaux.

That gives them room to do releases for both Malifaux and The other Side while spacing the releases for each game out a bit more.

There's also plenty of opportunity for crossovers.

TOS is in the same universe ...or... multiverse as Malifaux. Just like some Malifaux products like Crossroads Seven have had Malifaux and TTB rules, TOS could have some models with both.

Divergent Path Event - approximately 2 month narrative world event that would effect the abilities of the three characters below when they are released. Which faction wins the most story encounters per character determines which faction that model will belonged to in the future. http://www.wyrd-games.net/divergent-paths

Sooo Oliver Twist, Bills Sykes and Nancy?

That's not even nearly Bill Sykes. Have you never read Oliver Twist?