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Breotan wrote: I'll give it a look but given the way the previous KS was run, I make no promises.
Different situation. Through the Breach was basically 'we have a neat idea, help us fund it'. Then they started development after the kickstarter, with all the pitfalls associated with developing something new. Consider that The Other Side has been in closed public testing coming up on a year now (which means actual development would have starter long before that), they've been showing final prints of miniatures for a few months and even had some last gencon and they're showing what seems to be finalised stat cards and art, this seems more of a 'we have a finished product, help us find the initial production'.
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Really like what I'm seeing in that video... I'm not liking the fact the game is played on a 6x4 table though, I don't have a table that large and not sure I really want to invest into one for just 1 game... hmm.
I'm glad it's not just me who is put off by the 6x4 table.
That, along with the idea of unit trays, are enough to put me off the KS at least. I'm willing to sit back and wait to see if the game can be scaled down to a 4x4 space.
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
My guess is game size will determine board size. 40k recommends a 6x4 table, but playing a 1000pt or less game on it can feel really sparse. Playing those games on a 4x4 feel a lot better.
We'll have to see what the rules are. The Mantic Warpath KS was originally intended for massed 25mm battles on 6x4 tables, but enough people wanted smaller model counts and no unit bases that they relented. but the rules weren't flexible enough, so had to make a seperate ruleset.
Unit trays. It's always down't to unit trays.....
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
Breotan wrote: I'll give it a look but given the way the previous KS was run, I make no promises.
Different situation. Through the Breach was basically 'we have a neat idea, help us fund it'. Then they started development after the kickstarter, with all the pitfalls associated with developing something new.
No, lack of development wasn't the issue. Wyrd ran a truly bizarre Kickstarter campaign. The ineptitude of Mike & Co. was comical in a train wreck kind of way. I can't find the original KS thread we had on Dakka but here's a link to the postmortem that covers some of what happened (it's still not the same as being there). I guess the comments on the original Kickstater are a better record of what was going on.
Breotan wrote: I'll give it a look but given the way the previous KS was run, I make no promises.
Different situation. Through the Breach was basically 'we have a neat idea, help us fund it'. Then they started development after the kickstarter, with all the pitfalls associated with developing something new.
No, lack of development wasn't the issue. Wyrd ran a truly bizarre Kickstarter campaign. The ineptitude of Mike & Co. was comical in a train wreck kind of way. I can't find the original KS thread we had on Dakka but here's a link to the postmortem that covers some of what happened (it's still not the same as being there). I guess the comments on the original Kickstater are a better record of what was going on.
The guy who ran it was Mac, who was kind of a flake but from my understanding is no longer with the company. The reward structure was just the worst on that one, with no add ons and the hardbacks mutually exclusive from the minis unless you got the top tier pledge. But the top tier pledge had extra copies of books you didnt need, the stupid doll, etc jacking up its price.
I have confidence Aaron will run this one better.
I'll be picking up the cult of the burning man - the mutations seem similar to the effects of Brilliance, and Jacob Lynch is my boy. Might also get some gibbering hordes. I'm always a sucker for the "monster" factions.
I hope as this gets sooner to launch or details begin to emerge as to what sort of pricing/ pledge structure this is going to have, some of you helpful folks could let the rest of us know what to expect.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
I'm not sure we can help you on what to expect. I think we're all in the same boat until the KS actually launches.
I suspect that there will be some pledge level for upcoming books and possibly some LE figures being tossed in as stretch goals. Will there be another rag doll? I guess that depends on how popular they thought the last one was.
I've no idea if they'll make a miniatures-centric pledge branch like they did before. It's even possible they'll do a tie-in to The Other Side.
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Breotan wrote: I'm not sure we can help you on what to expect. I think we're all in the same boat until the KS actually launches.
I suspect that there will be some pledge level for upcoming books and possibly some LE figures being tossed in as stretch goals. Will there be another rag doll? I guess that depends on how popular they thought the last one was.
I've no idea if they'll make a miniatures-centric pledge branch like they did before. It's even possible they'll do a tie-in to The Other Side.
Umm... this kickstarter is for The Other Side. So I'm sure we'll see plenty of miniatures for it. They might even tie it in to The Other Side!
-Loki- wrote: Umm... this kickstarter is for The Other Side. So I'm sure we'll see plenty of miniatures for it. They might even tie it in to The Other Side!
My bad. I was thinking Through The Breach for some reason.
Also, if you've been curious about Through the Breach, Bundle of Holding have a deal right now. $15us gets you the Fated Almanac, Fatemasters Almanac and 4 Penny Dreadfuls (their version of little 1 off predone adventures). $28.59us also gets you Into the Steam (the Arcanists expansion), Under Quarantine (the Resserectionists expansion), Northern Aggression and A Night in Rottenberg (full campaigns).
They're all DRM free PDFs, so you can share them around as well. Pretty tremendous value there.
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Good video, but did anyone else get a chuckle out of the table setup at 2 mins in, given Wyrd has always stressed the importance of terrain?Just just a pure funnel into the other deployment zone!
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Good video, but did anyone else get a chuckle out of the table setup at 2 mins in, given Wyrd has always stressed the importance of terrain?Just just a pure funnel into the other deployment zone!
They said at the start of the previews that this a terrain-light game. But yeah a straight line at each other like that is kinda wonky hopefully that was just to showcase the armies
.Mikes. wrote: That rendered table was actually the only thing I liked the look of in the video (well, along with the titan with the union flag on its fist).
One thing I like about steampunk games is their urban settings. But yeah, I understand what you mean about what it would do the play.
Anyone else wondering why they were facing down the length of the table and not across it?
Probably the same reason Games Workshop used to have 'combat' displays with Devastators within 5" of another squad. The rendered table was likely done in that configuration to look cool. It had impassable terrain covering about 1/3 of the table. That's Malifaux levels of terrain, not the 'light terrain' they are saying TOS uses.
I really like the 3-man unit sizes as a way to keep costs/painting time down. I've long felt like WM/H missed a trick by going with 10 man units. 3 man (leaving room for an attachment or two) is the ideal setup IMO.
Weird though that Wyrd uses HIPS for it's small-scale skirmish games and then switches to a cheaper plastic for it's large scale skirmish game, where you'd conceivably be a lot more likely to buy multiples of things. I get it's likely to keep costs/risks down on a new venture that might fail, but if they had stayed HIPS it'd have been much more likely to really attract attention. Also too bad they are overlapping with KD:M. Will suck up a lot of their oxygen.
odinfellhammer wrote: I really wished this was 15mm, then it would work on a 4×4 table
Then crossovers between Malifaux and TOS wouldn't be possible. At least this way, we could have some crossovers. Even the RPG, TTB, has some models that can be used in Malifaux.
Core sets seem to be an okay deal if a high price point; expansion units are really pricey for PVC- that killed my interest in WM, and is enough that I'd be dubious of this.
Similar to the previous kickstarter, Wyrd doesn't really seem to be offering any great deals with this one. The fact that there are literal analogues between the factions of each category of unit smells heavily of the Spartan Games method of copy+paste and forget.
This project is definitely not for me, but I always hope for Wyrd to have success, so I hope this overcomes some of the hurdles it's facing (like KD:M competition, the PVC models, etc). The best case scenario, for me, is that this is a hit and they make a ton of money, and that they also slow down Malifaux expansion so that m2e can last a few extra years before they have to go to a 3rd edition.
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Man... right now this is an awful value proposition. I wonder if they realize that "hey we make Malifaux and some of you like that" isn't enough to break into the most crowded sector of the mini-wargaming market.
Between 40k, a revitalizing AoS, Warmahordes, etc... you need to do something incredibly new, or be a hell of a deal, and at a glance, this seems like little of either.
I'm rooting for these guys, but I think they would be much better served building Malifaux's player-base and market penetration before this move.
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hopefully that was just to showcase the armies
11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted)