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Battle Sisters vs Chaos Daemons - 1750pts
Mission: Bay Area Open (Primary: Crusade, Secondary: Emperor's Will)
Deployment: Dawn of War
Initiative: Daemons

My Army:


Jy2's Herald-Hammer Daemons:


Pre-Game
Battle Sisters
I'm certainly not overly confident, but I was hoping Jim would bring the Daemons. In some ways the matchup is pretty favorable for the Sisters. Not much shooting (no real ranged anti-tank) to worry about, a lot of dirty psykers to shoot Condemnors at, lots of T4 W2 targets for my meltaguns and Exorcists, and my Dominions ability to ignore cover could be a way to get beyond the 2++ cover that Invisible Screamers get. On top of all that, I've got the Priest-bomb, which is a pretty nasty CC unit that can also pump out a lot of bolter fire to thin down large packs of daemons. My MSU Sisters are toting a couple of flamers each so even small units can deliver a lot of wounds against T3 Daemons. I'm also expecting my 5+ Deny the Witch to come in handy against his filthy witchfires and maledictions.

I'm concerned about Fateweaver, since my army has no legitimate AA fire. I'm also worried about being swarmed over, unable to move. Jy2's a big fan of that tactic and is really good at using very fast units to trap his opponent in their own DZ. I know what's coming, but I think I have the tools to deal with it.

Chaos Daemons
Damn, the sisters have gotten much better. His army is actually a little scary.

That Jacobus-bomb is just plain nasty. We're talking about 3+/5++ that is re-rollable, re-rolls to Hit on the 1st turn due to Hatred, re-rolls to Wound, Fearless and a whole bunch of Smash attacks from that unit. Honestly, I'm not usually intimidated, but that unit is actually quite intimidating.

Then oh my gosh....all those Comdemnor Boltguns! They're going to mess up my psykers big time. The way we are playing them actually will benefit the Sisters, but that is because we 4+ it. Basically, even if my psykers hide, as long as he can target the unit, those Perils can still affect my psyker. Now I repeat. This is in no ways officially how you would play it. Instead, it is our houserule on how to play it and we just rolled for it.

Invisibility won't be able to save my units in this game. That's because of all those flamers and heavy flamers. This is his strategy. Have me assault his transport. Then I will be all bunched up nice and tight. Next turn, his sisters get into position and flame away. If it is my mini-screamer-star, they won't be getting their 2++ re-rollable cover from Invisibility. That is going to hurt.

And then we have the dominions. You think my 2++ re-rollable cover on my screamer-star will be safe from those 4 meltas? Not if they ignore cover. Yes, dominions have a faith power that let's them ignore cover.

But it isn't all that bad. Sure, he's got a few things in his army that worries me, but wait til he sees the combos that my daemons can bring. Sam has not played against an army like mine yet in 6th. Come to think of it, he hasn't been playing all that much at all in 6th. I definitely have the experience advantage. Although I am not familiar with all the new toys the new Sisters will bring, I am very familiar with basic Sisters tactics in general. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure my opponent is going to go "Oh, Sh*T" when he sees just how fast and deadly my daemons are.

It's going to be an interesting game indeed. I look forwards to crushing.....I mean, playing against the new Sisters, especially one run by a very, very good Sisters player.


Deployment


Chaos Daemons Turn 1


Sisters of Battle Turn 1


Chaos Daemons Turn 2


Sisters of Battle Turn 2


Chaos Daemons Turn 3


Sisters of Battle Turn 3


Chaos Daemons Turn 4


The Aftermath

Ooooh, this will be interesting!

OMG! I can't wait.

Dis gona b gud

I know next to nothing about daemon, so it might not apply, but how did you two decide to rule the Condemnor's Psi-Shock? (The whole 'model v whole unit' debate I mean.)

Yeah, that's gonna be kind of important.

Can't wait to read this Report.

 streamdragon wrote:
I know next to nothing about daemon, so it might not apply, but how did you two decide to rule the Condemnor's Psi-Shock? (The whole 'model v whole unit' debate I mean.)

We decided to randomize on the psyker's unit on a 1-on-1 basis. That means that if 2 shots hit, that's 2 Perils to be randomized on the psykers in the unit.

We also played it that the psykers can't hide. That means if you can see the psyker's unit but not the psyker himself (i.e. he is hiding behind LOS-blocking terrain), he can still be affected by the comdemnor shot if his unit is hit. BTW, we 4+ this and the result was in the Sister's favor.

That means my psykers are going to get f*cked up big time! Or not. I'm just going to have to play them much more carefully.

Okay, sounds good.

My Pre-game Thoughts:

Damn, the sisters have gotten much better. His army is actually a little scary.

That Jacobus-bomb is just plain nasty. We're talking about 3+/5++ that is re-rollable, re-rolls to Hit on the 1st turn due to Hatred, re-rolls to Wound, Fearless and a whole bunch of Smash attacks from that unit. Honestly, I'm not usually intimidated, but that unit is actually quite intimidating.

Then oh my gosh....all those Comdemnor Boltguns! They're going to mess up my psykers big time. The way we are playing them actually will benefit the Sisters, but that is because we 4+ it. Basically, even if my psykers hide, as long as he can target the unit, those Perils can still affect my psyker. Now I repeat. This is in no ways officially how you would play it. Instead, it is our houserule on how to play it and we just rolled for it.

Invisibility won't be able to save my units in this game. That's because of all those flamers and heavy flamers. This is his strategy. Have me assault his transport. Then I will be all bunched up nice and tight. Next turn, his sisters get into position and flame away. If it is my mini-screamer-star, they won't be getting their 2++ re-rollable cover from Invisibility. That is going to hurt.

And then we have the dominions. You think my 2++ re-rollable cover on my screamer-star will be safe from those 4 meltas? Not if they ignore cover. Yes, dominions have a faith power that let's them ignore cover.

But it isn't all that bad. Sure, he's got a few things in his army that worries me, but wait til he sees the combos that my daemons can bring. Sam has not played against an army like mine yet in 6th. Come to think of it, he hasn't been playing all that much at all in 6th. I definitely have the experience advantage. Although I am not familiar with all the new toys the new Sisters will bring, I am very familiar with basic Sisters tactics in general. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure my opponent is going to go "Oh, Sh*T" when he sees just how fast and deadly my daemons are.

It's going to be an interesting game indeed. I look forwards to crushing.....I mean, playing against the new Sisters, especially one run by a very, very good Sisters player.

 jy2 wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
I know next to nothing about daemon, so it might not apply, but how did you two decide to rule the Condemnor's Psi-Shock? (The whole 'model v whole unit' debate I mean.)

We decided to randomize on the psyker's unit on a 1-on-1 basis. That means that if 2 shots hit, that's 2 Perils to be randomized on the psykers in the unit.

In my opinion the only two interpretations that are RAW-consistent are the "every model in the unit suffers perils" (excluding BoP/S units) or the one where IC psykers in a non-psyker unit are immune since the "unit" does not have the Psyker rule.

I don't think the way we played it is in any way supported by the actual rules, but it represents a good middle ground that is agreeable to most players.

 jy2 wrote:
We also played it that the psykers can't hide. That means if you can see the psyker's unit but not the psyker himself (i.e. he is hiding behind LOS-blocking terrain), he can still be affected by the comdemnor shot if his unit is hit. BTW, we 4+ this and the result was in the Sister's favor.

I think that if you're going to play with ruling that a hit from the Condemnor inflicts a randomized PotW this is how you should be playing to be consistent. The Condemnor doesn't have to hit the Psyker to cause perils, just his unit. You hit the unit but can't allocate the S5 wound from the Condemnor's shot to the psyker, but the Psi-shock will "arc" to him.

Condemnor Boltgun, you are the most horribly worded rule in the history of GW.

Amerikon wrote:
Condemnor Boltgun, you are the most horribly worded rule in the history of GW.

I find that unlikely. And what're you doing chatting. Get that BR done!

This should be interesting.

I didn't even think about if the condemnors would perils psykers out of line of sight...... It really is such a poorly written rule, that since it has no precendent leads to like 5 different questions with multiple answers per question.

This should be good. The Condemnor Boltgun question.... all I know is that its FAQed at the Renegade Open GT next month it affects every psyker in the unit. I agree with its ruling, though I am partially biased. Personally I don't like the 2++ Rerollable Psychic deathstars and am perfectly fine with it being played this way as a balancing factor. The RAW is kind of a mess, but I don't see a better way to interpret it.

I think you've come up with a good middle ground rule.

I'm looking forward to this.

Armywide Adamantium Will is gonna help the Sisters alot as well.

New sisters. Friggin awesome.

 jy2 wrote:

And then we have the dominions. You think my 2++ re-rollable cover on my screamer-star will be safe from those 4 meltas? Not if they ignore cover. Yes, dominions have a faith power that let's them ignore cover.

I was under the impression that the 2++ on the Screamerstar is invulnerable, not cover.

Only when the divination power 'forewarning' (4+ invul) and Grimour of True Names are used together, but in this case JY2 didn't get that power, instead he got invisibility which would grant him a 2+ cover save.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Only when the divination power 'forewarning' (4+ invul) and Grimour of True Names are used together, but in this case JY2 didn't get that power, instead he got invisibility which would grant him a 2+ cover save.

Ahem.


Daemon Psychic Powers:
Fateweaver's Left Head: Spontaneous Combustion, Misfortune
Fateweaver's Right Head: Puppet Master, Iron Arm
Herald of Slaanesh: Shriek, Invisibility
Herald of Tzeentch #1: Prescience, Misfortune, Flickering Fire
Herald of Tzeentch #2: Forewarning, Prescience, Flickering Fire

It looks like one of his tzeench heralds did indeed get FW.

If you read the full turn, he gives them invisibility which gives jetbikes 2+ cover.

Yep, Jink + Invisibility means 2+ re-rollable cover for Screamers. That means he can also give 2++ to another daemon unit with the Grimoire and Forewarning. If that's a Tzeentch unit, it's 2++ re-rollable. Super cool, huh?

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

And then we have the dominions. You think my 2++ re-rollable cover on my screamer-star will be safe from those 4 meltas? Not if they ignore cover. Yes, dominions have a faith power that let's them ignore cover.

I was under the impression that the 2++ on the Screamerstar is invulnerable, not cover.

My normal strategy is to put Invisibility (if I get it) on my screamerstar and Grimoire on my dogs. Believe or not, but this is the very 1st game where I ever got Forewarning.

Its a different kind of match-up and the new sisters have some toys but I still think this ends in a slaughter for the daemons.

Looks like this'll be another blow-out. Not very surprising.

Mental note to myself if using mobile device:

Clicking the spoiler tab for a couple of mins might warrant taking a closer look at what is actually happening. Tried to open sisters turn 2 with no success, because that turn does not exist yet.

So, get it done ok np?

Basically, these are the powers I normally put on my own guys:

Screamer-star - Invisibility, Prescience

Flesh Hounds - Forewarning, Grimoire, Prescience

As for the seekers, let's just say that they were my "sacrificial lambs" - my so-called "bait" intended to lure out his troops. You can see from the photos that I actually split off my Slaanesh Herald before the charge. She is not part of the "bait". I need her alive for some Invisibility shenanigans.

 jy2 wrote:
Basically, these are the powers I normally put on my own guys:

Screamer-star - Invisibility, Prescience

Flesh Hounds - Forewarning, Grimoire, Prescience

As for the seekers, let's just say that they were my "sacrificial lambs" - my so-called "bait" intended to lure out his troops. You can see from the photos that I actually split off my Slaanesh Herald before the charge. She is not part of the "bait". I need her alive for some Invisibility shenanigans.

A little confused. Forewarning and puppet master from fate and possibly prescience. Then how did he do 4d6 shots?

 Tomb King wrote:


A little confused. Forewarning and puppet master from fate and possibly prescience. Then how did he do 4d6 shots?

His Tz Herald had Forewarning and Prescience. On Demon Turn 2, I believe he cast Misfortune on the BSS and still had 3 Warp Charge to get 4d6 worth of Flicker Fire. Fateweaver is a Mastery Level 4. JY2 cast Puppet Master on Turn 1, not on Turn 2.

I recently finished painting 3 Tz Heralds on Disc (you can see pics of my Demon Army in my Gallery) and will be using them today for the first time against either an Eldar or Sisters of Battle Army, depends on what my buddy brings today. Have close to the unit Composition that you are running JY2, but with a little variation. I try to only field painted units. This way it forces me to paint my Army.

I also have a Sisters of Battle army, not painted. So have not had a chance to field them. So far the Sisters have not been fairing well in the Battle Reports I have read so far. Maybe the dice will turn around for the Sisters.


Waiting for the rest of the Battle Report to be completed.

Thanks for poating your reports.
J

I don't think any of the sob army lists we've seen for the new edex have reached a matured level of optimization yet... Once there I think we will see some telling wins.

joshuafalcon wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:


A little confused. Forewarning and puppet master from fate and possibly prescience. Then how did he do 4d6 shots?

His Tz Herald had Forewarning and Prescience. On Demon Turn 2, I believe he cast Misfortune on the BSS and still had 3 Warp Charge to get 4d6 worth of Flicker Fire. Fateweaver is a Mastery Level 4. JY2 cast Puppet Master on Turn 1, not on Turn 2.

I recently finished painting 3 Tz Heralds on Disc (you can see pics of my Demon Army in my Gallery) and will be using them today for the first time against either an Eldar or Sisters of Battle Army, depends on what my buddy brings today. Have close to the unit Composition that you are running JY2, but with a little variation. I try to only field painted units. This way it forces me to paint my Army.

I also have a Sisters of Battle army, not painted. So have not had a chance to field them. So far the Sisters have not been fairing well in the Battle Reports I have read so far. Maybe the dice will turn around for the Sisters.


Waiting for the rest of the Battle Report to be completed.

Thanks for poating your reports.
J

Correct. Fatey only cast Misfortune that turn. The rest of the powers - 2x Prescience and Forewarning - were from the Tzeentch Heralds.

The screamer-star is no doubt good, but as with any deathstar-type army, it has its weaknesses. That's why I don't run a full-blown screamer-star. Rather, I run a little more variety for a slightly more balanced build. I'm also liking how well they synergize together. But mainly, I'm just trying to avoid running the 3 dominant daemons builds - FMC-spam, screamer-star daemons and Khorne-dog-spam.

The new Sisters are no doubt much improved over the previous version. How great they can be remains to be seen. The real test is how well they can hold their own against arguably the top 4 armies currently - tau, eldar, necrons and daemons - as well as heldrake-spam, which is usually a weakness of MEQ armies.





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 Dozer Blades wrote:
I don't think any of the sob army lists we've seen for the new edex have reached a matured level of optimization yet... Once there I think we will see some telling wins.

Agreed. It's only been a couple of weeks. I think you need to give a dex about half a year to mature. By then, we should be able to see where they really stand.