New Hobbit Releases (releases of 29th March with pics on page 10)

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**Ghaz**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Hmm, Bolg has been renamed as a 'Gundabad Orc General' in the online store:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat970015a&prodId=prod1830024a

The character was probably cut from the movie.

Maybe, but would we have a Gundabad Orc General if we don't have Gundabad Orcs for him to lead?

**gianlucafiorentini123**

The hunter Orcs are Gundabad Orcs.

**Ghaz**

gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
The hunter Orcs are Gundabad Orcs.

The Hunter Orcs are just that, Hunter Orcs. That's why they havr Hunter Orc Captains instead of Gundabad Orc Captains.

**UltraPrime**

No, Hunter Orcs are definitely Gundabad Orcs, regardless of what GW decided to call them in the first book.

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

~Tim?

**Imposter101**

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

~Tim?

A little bit of New Line and a majority GW.

Honestly, these products struggle to sell in the first place, so it seems their logic is that they might as well try and get something out of this.

**Kanluwen**

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

~Tim?

What "repeat sculpts" are you talking about out of curiosity?

**Imposter101**

Kanluwen wrote:
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

~Tim?

What "repeat sculpts" are you talking about out of curiosity?

Some of them are just the same model with a shield added. But even then, the price is utterly ludicrous for these models, which are pretty lacking in quality.

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Kanluwen wrote:
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

~Tim?

What "repeat sculpts" are you talking about out of curiosity?

Well, I might be wrong (maybe the poses are just really similar), but at least two of the Palace Guards seem to be exact copies of each other. I'm talking about the ones in the upper-right corner, with the raised swords/shields.

~Tim?

**Kanluwen**

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

~Tim?

What "repeat sculpts" are you talking about out of curiosity?

Well, I might be wrong (maybe the poses are just really similar), but at least two of the Palace Guards seem to be exact copies of each other. I'm talking about the ones in the upper-right corner, with the raised swords/shields.

~Tim?

It looks (I cannot reliably say one way or the other without the models in hand) like the angles of the body and width between legs are off for them to be the same.

**Ghaz**

UltraPrime wrote:
No, Hunter Orcs are definitely Gundabad Orcs, regardless of what GW decided to call them in the first book.

Maybe in the fluff, but the rules are a whole different matter. According to the current rules, Hunter Orcs are Hunter Orcs, not Gundabad Orcs.

**UltraPrime**

Ghaz wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:
No, Hunter Orcs are definitely Gundabad Orcs, regardless of what GW decided to call them in the first book.

Maybe in the fluff, but the rules are a whole different matter. According to the current rules, Hunter Orcs are Hunter Orcs, not Gundabad Orcs.

I would expect the new expansion book to unify them into one army.

**Left Hand of the Pheonix**

Lol, everyone complaining about copied sculpts is funny. The dark elf witch elves have copied bodies, and it is very common for hobbit/LOTR models to have copied molds. That is nothing new for me, but if they said all different, then it's a different matter. But in this case, i'm saw i saw them say you could add shields to unshielded ones.

**Da krimson barun**

Ghaz wrote:
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
The hunter Orcs are Gundabad Orcs.

The Hunter Orcs are just that, Hunter Orcs. That's why they have Hunter Orc Captains instead of Gundabad Orc Captains.

GW called Gundabad wargs fell wargs.Gandalf:"These are Gundabad wargs!They will outrun you!"
Radagast:"These are Rhosgobel rabbits!"
The hunter orcs are Gundabad orcs that follow Azog.They just named them that because they are hunting Thorin and co.

**Ghaz**

And yet again, the fluff and/or the movies don't matter. By the rules there are no Gundabad Orcs at the present time for the Gundabad Orc General to lead and nothing to indicate which force he can be taken in or if he even uses the same stats as Bolg. We will have to wait until next week to find out (hopefully).

**Kroothawk**

jonolikespie wrote:And of course then there is these two:

(Though I'm sure that's just a bad paintjob, I felt it needed to be included )

Well, I certainly couldn't paint such detail on the 2-3 millimeters that constitute a head on a 25mm scale miniature.
What looks bad under a microscope, looks actually convincing in real life. Esp since some paint jobs compensate for lack of sculpting detail (e.g. faces, shield wood lines and cloth patterns. People usually forget how tiny LOTR miniatures are compared to heroic (!) scale 28mm.

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Hmm, Bolg has been renamed as a 'Gundabad Orc General' in the online store:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat970015a&prodId=prod1830024a

The character was probably cut from the movie.

That's close to the truth.

In the book, Azog was the father killed in the battle that gave Thorin his name Oakshield. His son Bolg is the main Ork boss at the time of the main events. For some reason, Jackson made a late switch between father and son, baffling all toy manufacturers with their Bolg products. In the movie, Bolg has about 3 seconds screen time when cut down by a dwarf in battle.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Bolg

**Commander Cain**

Those are some pretty terrible sculpts. I see a lot of details that are simply painted on to try and hide the lack of detail. Granted these are small models but there are some great LotR models available so we know it is possible to get the details on.

The wood elves are nice I will give them that, the crouching one is awesome! Everything else though, nah. Those palace guard are especially bad, I was hoping for something like this:

Also the rest of the special characters have their own unique faults such as lack of toes, caveman faces and lack of emotion.

So glad I stopped myself adding to my LotR Elf army, the disappointment would have been too great...

**Backfire**

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

What's the big deal? Similar boxes from Privateer Press tend to be 10 models for $50, with even more repetiveness in the sculpts.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Yeah, but Privateer Press are privateers. They'll fleece you like they've got a pair.

**supremeoverlordVECT**

i quite like the Mirkwoodrangers, but they're just not worth that amount of money, it's just ridiculous.

those palaceguard models look pretty damn horrible, what's up with those helmets?

**jonolikespie**

Backfire wrote:
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Holy crap, they want $40 for 10 figures, including repeat sculpts? Is this GW insanity or New Line insanity?

What's the big deal? Similar boxes from Privateer Press tend to be 10 models for $50, with even more repetiveness in the sculpts.

My understanding is those 10 man boxes with 2 repeats are the only 2 of the same sculpt you're every likely to field at once. These models you'll need more than 1 box of you make an army, meaning that you're looking at 4, 6 or maybe even 8 of the same guys repeated over and over in your army. It's even worse for the fantasy stuff like witch elves because they are a unit you want to be running 40+ of in an army and you'll easily end up with the same model twice in every rank of your unit.

**SickBunny**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Hmm, Bolg has been renamed as a 'Gundabad Orc General' in the online store:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat970015a&prodId=prod1830024a

The character was probably cut from the movie.

That particular character -is- in Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey in the huge fightscene where Thorin Oakenshield earns his name and the Azog loses his hand... He is present only briefly... but unfortunately, as such deals go, New Line Cinema will share only tidbits of their own promotional picture with GeeDub these days so they will not accidentally spill the beans on creatures and villains that they want to save up for the movie, which is why when the Geedub Hobbit came out, they sort of had no clue that Azog was the mainman of the orcs... and instead thought (due to New Line Cinema being sneaky gits) that said orc dressed in dwarven beards was some sort of main villain... because they got detailed pictures of said orc...

**carlos13th**

I haven't read the rest of the thread so this may have been mentioned but £15 Legolas looks more like Vladmir Putin than Orlando Bloom.

**weeble1000**

Legolas Putin!

**LuciusAR**

The Rangers are lovely miniatures, I'm very impressed. The Guard miniatures on the other hand.....

**Armorum Ferrum**

carlos13th wrote:
I haven't read the rest of the thread so this may have been mentioned but £15 Legolas looks more like Vladmir Putin than Orlando Bloom

I drowned in my cup of tea laughing - Kudos Vladolas

**timd**

Re the size of the Smaug "real life"/model, check this out:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/29909/the-dragon-smaug-revealed-on-a-777

If Smaug is life sized on the plane (image is 177 feet long), using a scale of 1" = 5', we get a Smaug model length of 35". Using 1/56 as the scale gets a Smaug that is 38" long.

T

**Imposter101**

carlos13th wrote:
I haven't read the rest of the thread so this may have been mentioned but £15 Legolas looks more like Vladmir Putin than Orlando Bloom.

I have never wished to witness such a terrifying visage.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Is it jus me or is Smaug keep changing colour?

**Ghaz**

More rumours from 'Kevin from Mitril' via The One Ring forum:

Few info bout the rules:
- Thranudil - stays the same - just base cost is 16 Moria Gobo with shield and he can buy armour and bow
- Tauriel - stats seems to be the same as Lego in armour, but she has Aragorns attack value, elven coat, bow and special rule that gives her +1A for each enemy she's fightin with(my guess that with each in base contact but thats just info), cost 19 Moria gobowith shield
- Guard Captain - stats as HE cap for 15 Moria Gobo with shields. If he's in 3" from Thranduil he get's +1F. Also bodyguard.
- Ranger Cap - cost the same as above, stats as WE cap, seems to have bow and TW, the same rule as Tauriel but only 3 attack(dunno if only +3, or total max 3)
- Palace Guard - cost the same Ghaladrim pics - stats as HE and the same special rule as their cap
- Ranger - the same cost as erebor with shield, and the same rule as their cap, dunno whats their eqipment.
Special rules of the Mirkwood AL - if the Lider is Thranduil, Lego or Tauriel then can have 100% bows
- Beorn - Dwalin stats but Dale Man with shield defence value and Glorf like M/W/F. He's resistant to magic, burly and fearless and woodland creature. Costs as Gulavhar. He can change into bear on 4+ in his move(model is on 60mm base and seems to be nice - pic in book). In bear form the same Wounds and M/W/F, the same special rules + terror, but rest of stats change into Threebeards. Elf Gero Courage value and Move 8"(as a bear). In this bear form he dosn't have SF, and his heroics are only his. Has special BPA - when he wins he can strike with S10 - if it wound's(enemy won't fury/fate it) he cas strike again with S10 and so on. Radagast Alliance AL.
- Thrain the broken - cost as WE with bow and spear - low stats - F dwarf like, S Hobbit like, C Orc Captain like and on every start of turn he's to pass C test. If he pass it it's ok, if he pass it twice(dunno I just translate from polish) he's got +2 to A,S,F values, but if he fails he acts like a enemy model.
- Bard - cost as full no-name nazgul on horse - stats simillar to Lego(my source don't remeber fully) and he's got a great bow. If he shoot and kill he can shoot again to the target in 3" from the last one - up to three times. Black arrow - ones a game - can reroll to hit, ITW and to wound.
- Dale hero that hac +1 on wounding flaying monster(my guess Girion)
- some lake town hero who costs 4 MG with shield that has Aragons Will value wills - for each will he can regive some hero(dunno the radius) might - on 6 k3 mights, 2-6 one might point, 1 nth
- some new Dale(laketown?) troops
- Yaznag - seems to have bad stat line - he's 10 Gobo with shield, can have lance. He's special rule - if there is Azog in the same army, then the pale orc can kill yaznag and pass all C tests, and him and rest of heros can rerolls missed to wound rolls.
- Gundabad Orcs(pic are supposed to be in book) - cost as erebor with shield, have S4, can buy pic and shiels(dunno if in combination). Special rule the same as Blackshield gobo
- Spiders - cost as 5 Gobo with shield - F as gobo, S and D as Dale man with shield D value and Elf Cap A value. Not a monster, can split poison(dunno how that works) on 4+. The warband doesn't have to contain a hero(don;t know if there is any)

Seems to be legit source but ya know how that works.

In a later post in the same thread he says that Smaug is NOT in the book.