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Doesn't he have the Storm Shield anyway?

Is there a weapon or special rule that can remove his Storm Shield? I'm thinking some Eldar Autarch power (disarming strike?) or Necron scarab swarm power, but am not too clear on this issue that would make him revert to the Iron Halo.

It's there for fluff. Just like his Terminator armor - why isn't it just Artificer? He'll never use that 5+ save.

rigeld2 wrote:
It's there for fluff. Just like his Terminator armor - why isn't it just Artificer? He'll never use that 5+ save.

It allows him to deep strike and doesn't allow him to sweeping advance.

Sometimes GW gives a model a special rule or piece of wargear that they will never use only because of what they are.
For example, Lysander is a Captain. Captains have Iron Halos. Therefore Lysander has an Iron Halo.

Another example. Zonthropes have a 3+ invulnerable save. They will never use their 5+ armour save.



Also I would not be surprised that GW changes Vindicare to where they only destroy a single piece of invulnerable save providing wargear, in which case Lysander will be happy having the Iron Halo.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Doesn't he have the Storm Shield anyway?

Is there a weapon or special rule that can remove his Storm Shield? I'm thinking some Eldar Autarch power (disarming strike?) or Necron scarab swarm power, but am not too clear on this issue that would make him revert to the Iron Halo.

He is a captain or whatever his rank is, all captains or whatever his rank is get a Iron Halo...

 Happyjew wrote:
Another example. Zonthropes have a 3+ invulnerable save. They will never use their 5+ armour save.

...unless they get hit with something that ignores invulnerable saves.

 insaniak wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Another example. Zonthropes have a 3+ invulnerable save. They will never use their 5+ armour save.

...unless they get hit with something that ignores invulnerable saves.

Isn't the only thing that does that now D Weapons? I mean Shieldbreaker destroys wargear that gives an Invul, but it that's not the smale thing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Another example. Zonthropes have a 3+ invulnerable save. They will never use their 5+ armour save.

...unless they get hit with something that ignores invulnerable saves.

Isn't the only thing that does that now D Weapons? I mean Shieldbreaker destroys wargear that gives an Invul, but it that's not the smale thing.

For now. But things that ignore Invulnerable Saves (and only Invulnerables) have existed before (Old Psy-weapons, etc) and may well exist again.

Also, Shieldbreaker doesn't destroy wargear. It only prevents the model hit from benefiting from Invulnerable Saves it gives. This is an important distinction, especially when the wargear in question does more than just grant an invulnerable save, or grants the save in a bubble like the Power Field Generator.

Eternal shield is a good example. Shield breaker doesn't de-EW you

 Imperator_Class wrote:
Eternal shield is a good example. Shield breaker doesn't de-EW you

I always like the Power Field Generator, because you'll stop getting the save but all of your buddies keep getting it. Shield Breaker just pokes a big old hole in it right over you.

 DeathReaper wrote:
He is a captain or whatever his rank is, all captains or whatever his rank is get a Iron Halo...

Right. That's /thread for me. It would have indeed looked odd if Lysander was the only Captain to not come with an Iron Halo as part of his wargear.

 insaniak wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Another example. Zonthropes have a 3+ invulnerable save. They will never use their 5+ armour save.

...unless they get hit with something that ignores invulnerable saves.

It was useless at the time of writing but now because of grav there's a purpose to the crappy armour since its what they need to roll to wound you

There is a master of the chapter without a halo or any invulnerable-save granting wargear though. Lias issadon (?) of the Raptors (FW). But for lysander it's there for fluff reasons

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
There is a master of the chapter without a halo or any invulnerable-save granting wargear though. Lias issadon (?) of the Raptors (FW). But for lysander it's there for fluff reasons

The FW ones don't all have them, but the main studio team seems to have made it a point to add it in their for fluff reasons it seems.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Doesn't he have the Storm Shield anyway?

Is there a weapon or special rule that can remove his Storm Shield? I'm thinking some Eldar Autarch power (disarming strike?) or Necron scarab swarm power, but am not too clear on this issue that would make him revert to the Iron Halo.

I suppose there is always the ability by the Vindicare assassin that removes invulnerable saves from models.

The Vindicare removes all invuls, not just one at a time.

I read the Disarming Strike exarch power. The Storm Shield isnt a melee weapon because it doesnt have "melee" adjective in its profile, right?

 Sir Arun wrote:
I read the Disarming Strike exarch power. The Storm Shield isnt a melee weapon because it doesnt have "melee" adjective in its profile, right?

Correct.

Beasts of nurgle have slime trail (units NEVER get a bonus for charging beasts of nurgle) and shrouded. They also have defensive grenades, the only boost the grenade gives is stealth when being shot at from 8" or less.

Same thing with all daemons of khorne except greater daemons and skulltaker, they all have a 6+ armour save but will use the 5++ .

 Happyjew wrote:

Also I would not be surprised that GW changes Vindicare to where they only destroy a single piece of invulnerable save providing wargear, in which case Lysander will be happy having the Iron Halo.

And would be even happier that he has Terminator Armour if he gets hit for a second time...

Lysander has it for fluffy reasons as mentioned- he didn't in the previous codex. I'm guessing that if something does come along that came removing a single invulnerable save (ie, reworked Vindicares) then he'll be grateful.

 The Shadow wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

Also I would not be surprised that GW changes Vindicare to where they only destroy a single piece of invulnerable save providing wargear, in which case Lysander will be happy having the Iron Halo.

And would be even happier that he has Terminator Armour if he gets hit for a second time...

GK players hope that the Vindicare, as the best sniper in the galaxy, will choose the better piece of wargear to hit, not the worse.
GW writers will likely disappoint us.

One can only hope. They (vindicares mainly, but the other assassins in certain scenarios too) are alright in their 5th edition incarnation, but they have definite room for improvement. Should be interesting to see how the new inquisition sourcebook updates them if at all.

The Vindicare has gained much power in 6th Ed, with him ignoring the irrating LoS! and allowing you to effectively snipe characters. Also, being able to challenge allows him to potentially survive a challenge a little longer, and he's excellent AA on an Icarus Lascannon.

The others have and still have left much to be desired.

The Callidus is a Close Combat assassin but can't get to combat except to deep strike with her AP2 hits, but then gets shot to death.

The Culexus is decent, he has AP1 and gets +1 shot for each psyker within 12". Decent on paper but it means your army is super bunched up (as squads only count as 1), or he needs to be in the thick of the enemy, in which case he is useful against only a few armies (GK, Nids, T-Sons armies). His Etheriel rule is good for survivability but not as reliable as you think. Also, his psyocculum only boosts his BS by 2- good for using an Icarus Lascannon again, if firing on psykers like Mephiston or Doom who can't hide and can even be used to snipe ICs, but you'll need 6s to hit.

The Eversor can wreck face of anything without a 2+ save but has trouble getting there.