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We are starting a map based campaign starting next week which will allow for multiple armies on the map at a time. I was going to go with a tac army at first before I bust out the dw and rw as special characters come at a premium. I was thinking of more a mobile force vs a static gunline. Here's my first list, thoughts and ideas more then welcome but I'm not trying to be ultra competitive just not crap.

Hq
Libby lvl 1 jump pack

Elites
Dread with twinlinked autocannons

Troops
10 man tac squad with 1 plasma gun and rhino. X4 of these

Fast attack
9 man Assault squad 2x flamers, combi flamer. (Libby here)

Heavy support
Vindicator siege shield
Predator autocannon and lascannons. X2 of these

1498 points

7 tanks, a dread, and an assault squad.

I would not recommend an assault squad tbh. maybe take a command squad instead?

 raiden wrote:
I would not recommend an assault squad tbh. maybe take a command squad instead?

I thought about a vet squad instead but I'm broke and out of rhinos and no drop pods. I was avoiding anything on foot.

do you have any more models at all?

 raiden wrote:
do you have any more models at all?

gak load of ravenwing and deathwing but I'm not mixing. I have devistators, scouts, veterans, another dread, and every character in the dex

honestly, DA work best as a mixwing. If you do go purist I have had/seen the most luck with Ravenwing. But if you are dead set on not mixing then... possibly consider dropping the ASM for a plasma cannon dev team w/ the libby and a PFG for a 4++ on the devs? prescience PCs can be nasty. The upside is with all your deads and stuff being in there face they probably won't worry about your Dev squad untill its too late


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any spare points could go into combi weapons for your tac Sgts. (maybe melta? you seem to be lacking in AV14 penning area)

 raiden wrote:
honestly, DA work best as a mixwing. If you do go purist I have had/seen the most luck with Ravenwing. But if you are dead set on not mixing then... possibly consider dropping the ASM for a plasma cannon dev team w/ the libby and a PFG for a 4++ on the devs? prescience PCs can be nasty. The upside is with all your deads and stuff being in there face they probably won't worry about your Dev squad untill its too late

The reason I'm not mixing is because the campaign allows for several 1500 point armies moving around the map and I will have my 2nd and 3rd being dw and rw. I thought about the devistators but I'd have to drop a pred or vindicator. But I do think I don't have enough heavy hitting weapons mostly just bolter marines without the sod and it not being a gunline.

if you drop the assualt squad, and downgrade the Tacs special weapons to a meltagun (for more AT) would you have 130 points? thats a 5 man dev squad w/ 4 PC right there.

Hq
Libby lvl 1

Elites
Dread with twinlinked autocannons

Troops
10 man tac squad with 1 plasma gun and rhino. X4 of these
6 man tac with las cannon

Heavy support
Vindicator siege shield
Predator autocannon and lascannons.
10 man dev squad with 4 plasma cannons.

1499

I split the devs and have the 6 man tac squads to sit back with the dread and pred. Vindicator a.d 4 rhinos move toward to take objectives. In kill points ill be murdered I think but not many games will be kp.

hmm I still say you don't need 10 men in a dev squad. 6 with a PFG libby is perfectly fine with the list you have.

 raiden wrote:
hmm I still say you don't need 10 men in a dev squad. 6 with a PFG libby is perfectly fine with the list you have.

I like ten so I can split them. But I see your point


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 namiel wrote:
Hq
Libby lvl 1 with pfg

Elites
Dread with twinlinked autocannons

Troops
10 man tac squad with and rhino. X4 of these 2 have a flamer and 2 have meltaguns
6 man tac with las cannon

Heavy support
Vindicator siege shield
Predator autocannon and lascannons.
10 man dev squad with 4 plasma cannons.

1485

I split the devs and have the 6 man tac squads to sit back with the dread and pred. Vindicator a.d 4 rhinos move toward to take objectives. In kill points ill be murdered I think but not many games will be kp.

splitting the dev squad reduces the effectiveness of prescience by half. other than that its fine. Though I would love to see you force them to let you use bolter vet models those cloaks are just to awesome lol.

 raiden wrote:
splitting the dev squad reduces the effectiveness of prescience by half. other than that its fine. Though I would love to see you force them to let you use bolter vet models those cloaks are just to awesome lol.

I have enough of them......started my da with 40 robed marines. They will allow robed marines to be vets or tac marine or whatever the f I want lol


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What if I drop the dread and 4 marines to field a kitted out vet squad?

hmm. I normally only say use vets with azzy. but depends. what would you build them for/with?

 raiden wrote:
hmm. I normally only say use vets with azzy. but depends. what would you build them for/with?

Cc for sure. Power axe, power maul, maybe flamer. But I have no way to get them in people's face. Right now with the dread and cutting some marines I have 57 points to use. I have no idea how to spend them.

just give your pred a TL LC?

 raiden wrote:
just give your pred a TL LC?

That I can and will do but then I have 32 points. Add options to vehicles? I know what I will do

I would find 3 points for a ML 2 libby. or wait. give your libby the lions roar thingy.

Hq
Libby lvl 1 with pfg

Elites
Dread with twinlinked autocannons

Troops
10 man tac squad, meltabombs and rhino. X4 of these 2have a flamer and 2 have meltaguns
5man tac with las cannon

Heavy support
Vindicator siege shield, hunter killer(for weapon destroyed result protection)
Predator lascannons all around.
7 man dev squad with 4 plasma cannons.

1498

I can drop the hunter killer and some meltabombs for lvl 2 on my Libby but Idk if it will be necessary. So does this look good for a final list? Much better then the first?


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Anyone else? Opinions?

 namiel wrote:
Hq
Libby lvl 1 with pfg

Elites
Dread with twinlinked autocannons

Troops
10 man tac squad, meltabombs and rhino. X4 of these 2have a flamer and 2 have meltaguns
5man tac with las cannon

Heavy support
Vindicator siege shield, hunter killer(for weapon destroyed result protection)
Predator lascannons all around.
7 man dev squad with 4 plasma cannons.

1498

I can drop the hunter killer and some meltabombs for lvl 2 on my Libby but Idk if it will be necessary. So does this look good for a final list? Much better then the first?


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Anyone else? Opinions?

Any opinions today?

i suggest dropping the TL lascannon on the pred turret. the autocannon is a much more well rounded gun. use those points to give the libby Mace of Redemption as a way to keep slay the warlord away from you enemy if they have mobile guys.

IssacClarkeisBatman99 wrote:
i suggest dropping the TL lascannon on the pred turret. the autocannon is a much more well rounded gun. use those points to give the libby Mace of Redemption as a way to keep slay the warlord away from you enemy if they have mobile guys.

The lascannon gives me much better anti tank while the mace of redemption doesnt increase my ap value at all nor adds attacks or boosts iniative. It will give me +3 str but i then loose the ability to inflict instant death.


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Id be better off using a force maul imo, which is free

Dark Angel relics, while the background is epic, leave something to be desired in the game :

 raiden wrote:
Dark Angel relics, while the background is epic, leave something to be desired in the game :

Mace of redemption is awesome BUT only worth it on chaplains and company masters