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As stated in the title I'm trying to decided if it is more efficient / effective on the table top to take 2 fire prisms with the usual upgrades of HF and Shuricannon or take a stock wraith knight with 2 added scatter lasers.
I can see where having two tanks to get at targets from different places is useful but with the number and strength of weapons so close, I'd like to hear other peoples' take on the issue.
Would you prefer to have 2 fire prisms in your list or 1 wraith knight?


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well I think it all depends on your list and how many low ap weapons your army brings to the table if you could post your list (as this is a army list thread :3) we could probably make a more informed decision

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It is a 1500 pts list I was working on as a core for my Eldar army.
As of now it is...

Farseer with Jetbike 115

Windrider squad (3) 51

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Fire Dragons (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

2x War Walker with 2x Bright Lance 140

Fire Prism with Shuri-cannon and Holofields 150

Fire Prism with Shuri-cannon and Holofields 150

And all that comes in at 1491 pts.

The option I am debating is dropping the 2 Fire Prisms and instead taking

Wraith Knight + 2x Scatter Lasers 280

and with the 29 pts left over giving the Farseer the Singing Spear and giving the Windrider squad a cannon which still leaves 14pts free and makes the list 1486.

Is either option more effective / efficient than the other?


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The list you just posted has 4 heavy support units, which is obviously not allowed.

Also: I don't really see any point in the scatter lasers on the wraithknight if it can only fire 2 weapons per turn anyway?

Maybe take a stock wraithknight instead and mantle of the laughing god for your seer...

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Maybe I wrote it up in a confusing way. The 2 War Walkers are in the same squadron. So the heavy support section is 2x War Walkers each with 2x Bright lances and then the 2 Fire Prisms.
Or ir could be a Wraith Knight and the pair of War Walkers.


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Either Synergizes quite well for the army you posted. Personally, I love the Wraithknight for the melee and counter assault potential. But, in your proposed build either will work.

That being said, Scatterlasers are absolutely pointless. A MC can only fire two weapons, how many situations can you think of where you would actually fire the Scatter Lasers? And certainly not for 40pts.

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I see what you mean about the SL's on the Knight it might be ok for the melee knight with shield and sword but remains to be seen. So dropping those.


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 Zakiriel wrote:
I see what you mean about the SL's on the Knight it might be ok for the melee knight with shield and sword but remains to be seen. So dropping those.


Melee Knight is terrible, it should be able to swap the Double Heavy Wraithcannons for two Scatter Lasers, the Sword, and Shield for free. Then, I'd consider using it. Paying more for the Shield/Sword is really truly pointless in its current incarnation.

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If I were you, I'd rather drop both the Fire Dragons and the War Walkers to get a Wraithknight. Fire prisms give you the option of using marine-slaughtering blasts, while the FD and WW are pure anti-tank, which I think will be adequately covered by the Wraithknight.

   
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So a revised version of this 1500 point list could be...

Farseer with Jetbike, Singing Spear and Mantle of the Laughing God 160

Windrider squad (3) +1 Shuri-cannon 61

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Fire Dragons (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 255

2x War Walker with 2x Bright Lance 140

Wraith Knight 240

Making this list 1486


Oh and that is an interesting idea as well Perfect Organism. (Ponders it)

So with that idea in mind the list would compress out to...

Wraith Knight 240

2x Fire Prisms with Shuri-cannons and HF 300

3x DA (5) in Wave Serpent with twin-SL, Shuri-cannons and HF 630

Farseer with jetbike, Singing Spear and MotLG 160

Windrider squad (3) +1 Shuri-cannon 61

Bringing this version to 1391 and leaving 109 points to buy something else it might make good use of?

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Keep in mind, if points get tight, that you'll want those fire prisms back further and making the most of their extreme long range. So, dropping the shuri-cannons, COULD be a place to get points back if you need to in order to make a list work.

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Keep this all the same but drop the fire dragons and their serpent for a wraith knight, drop the cannon from bikes, drop spear from seer +5+10+15+14=44 points till 1500 with these points buy the phoenix gem, and the spirit stone of anath'lan for seer -40=4 points left (the point values of the bikes....).

So a revised version of this 1500 point list could be...

Farseer with Jetbike, Singing Spear and Mantle of the Laughing God 160

Windrider squad (3) +1 Shuri-cannon 61

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Dire Avengers (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 210

Fire Dragons (5) + Wave Serpent with twin Scatter Lasers, Shuri-cannon and Holofields 255

2x War Walker with 2x Bright Lance 140

Wraith Knight 240

Making this list 1486

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