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After discussion in another thread, I thought I would have a punt at making chosen squads a bit more desireable (no not slaaneshi desireable!).

Stats and points stay the same but combine chaos terminators and chosen into one unit entry.

0-20 Chosen per force org chart (elites choice)

WS 4 BS 4 S 4 T 4 W 1 A 2 LD 10 SV 3+

Bolter, bolt pistol, ccw, frag/krak grenades

Special Rules: Chosen have Veterans of the Long War included in their points cost (LD bonus included above)

Options -

Up to 5:

Melta + 10
Flamer + 5
Plasma gun +15
Plasma pistol + 15
Powerfist + 25
Power weapon + 15
Lighting Claw + 15

1 in 5 may take:

Lascannon + 20
Autocannon + 10
Heavy Bolter + 10
Missile launcher + 10

Any model may be upgraded to terminator armour for + 12pts, exchanging all their weapons for a combi bolter and power weapon.

Models in terminator armour may take the following options:

Combi melta, flamer, plasma +5
Powerfist + 7
Chainfist + 12
Lightning claw + 3

The unit may take one of the following Marks of Chaos

Slaanesh + 3 ppm
Khorne + 2 ppm
Nurgle + 4ppm
Tzeentch + 4ppm

The Chosen can either be fielded as single unit of up to 20 models or split to join other squads.

For example, a chaos player could field 10 chosen as a unit and 5 in other squads.

Chosen can join the following units (max of one Chosen per unit):

Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Cultists
Plague Marines
Noise Marines
Thousand Sons
Khorne Berzerkers
Possessed
Mutilators
Bikes (Must be equipped with Chaos Bike at + 20pts)
Raptors/Warp Talons (must be equipped with jump pack at +15pts)
Obliterators
Havocs

Models in terminator armour may join units without it, but the unit may no longer sweeping advance. Models in Terminator armour may not join units of bikes/raptors/warp talons.

Chosen can only join 'Cult' troops (Plague Marines, Noise Marines, Thousand Sons, Khorne Berzerkers) or any unit with a mark of Chaos if they have the corresponding mark or are unmarked.

dont think you should let them join Cult units. I dont like the idea of a chosen joining a plague marine unit, even if the chosen has MoN (certainly not without)

Dont like the heavy weapon choices. You are going to be taking a squad of 10, then add 2 more and give them lascannons and put them with your havocs. Havocs get another cheap champion, another lascannon and +1ld for practically nothing. I dont think the gods chosen should be lugging around heavy weapons. I know wolfguard TDA have assault cannons, but still.

It would unbalance the marks to roll both units into one. Tzeentch is almost useless for PA but very powerful for TDA.

I've always thought that to fix Chosen, they should have VOTLW already, and at the start of the game, roll on the Boon table once, and apply the result to the entire squad, re rolling the Eye Is closed, Dark Apotheosis and Spawnhood.

Do that, and adjust the Absurd cost for Melee upgrades, and Chosen would be pretty usable, IMO.

Its a mix between the 3.5Dex Chosens and SW Wolfguards.

its nice, but one of the mean flaw of Chosen is that you need to buy them VotlW wich is really stupid...

All HQ and Elites Choices of the codex should have VotlW for free in their profil...

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Its a mix between the 3.5Dex Chosens and SW Wolfguards.

its nice, but one of the mean flaw of Chosen is that you need to buy them VotlW wich is really stupid...

All HQ and Elites Choices of the codex should have VotlW for free in their profil...

I can see why they have not. Pointswise I am sure it could be adjusted, but IMO it should not come automatically except on very few units such as special characters. This is because, well, not every Chosen or HQ is a Veteran of the Long War! This is most likely what GW had in mind. Otherwise, why the useless-but-free VotLW option on the Dark Apostle?

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Its a mix between the 3.5Dex Chosens and SW Wolfguards.

its nice, but one of the mean flaw of Chosen is that you need to buy them VotlW wich is really stupid...

All HQ and Elites Choices of the codex should have VotlW for free in their profil...

I can see why they have not. Pointswise I am sure it could be adjusted, but IMO it should not come automatically except on very few units such as special characters. This is because, well, not every Chosen or HQ is a Veteran of the Long War! This is most likely what GW had in mind. Otherwise, why the useless-but-free VotLW option on the Dark Apostle?

Because a lot of things seemed rushed.