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Malik_Raynor wrote:
Question....
Does Gorgon Chain and the Warlord Trait stack for a 3+ FNP? Also, is that Warlord Trait army wide, Warlord, or Warlord + unit joined? Thanks

6+ Iron hands

5+ Chains

4+ Warlord trait.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Malik_Raynor wrote:
Question....
Does Gorgon Chain and the Warlord Trait stack for a 3+ FNP? Also, is that Warlord Trait army wide, Warlord, or Warlord + unit joined? Thanks

6+ Iron hands

5+ Chains

4+ Warlord trait.

3+ In command squad with apothecary.

 Tyr13 wrote:
None. Anything unique to the old iron hands is gone. Theyre just bionic tank lovers that have named their codex-standard companies after their clans. Really disappointed about how they butchered the fluff.

edit: That was in response to da001.

@abadabadoobaddon: There arent any independent companies anymore. Completely and utterly codex compliant. Which is why Im going to completely ignore this piece of .

So they have chaplains and a chapter master now?

Theyve had those since the new SM codex dropped. :/
Stronos ring a bell? :/

Fluff portion of the book read pretty awkward... really made me hate these guys a lot. So basically they were the biggest Space Marine dirt bags until about 400 years ago.

Overall the items are pretty cool but the supplement really only helps your warlord to become a monster.

Imagine this w/IH Supplement
- Chapter Master w/Bike, AA, Gorgon Chain, BB & BP (for AP2 @ Int) for 6 Attacks or TH (Str 8 @ Int 1) for tank hunting, & Digital Weapons.
- Command Squad w/Apoth & whatever you want their roll to be.

You happen to roll the FNP Warlord trait!

Ally w/Dark Angels
- Interrogator-Chaplain w/Bike, Mace of Redemption, & PFG

- You have a Chapter Master with a 2+/3++/3+ FNP, T5, IWND, 4W, & EW.
- The Beatstick Chappy has 3+/4++/3+ FNP, T5, 3W, and buffs you in CC.
- The Command Squad as a 3+ FNP due to the Apoth and 4++ due to the PFG.

Overall, you get two Beatsticks HQs and a decent Command Squad all for around what 600-700pts (Don’t have either Codex on me). I think I did my stacking correct…let me know if I didn’t. Thanks,

Mr. Raynor

From what I've heard I'm not blown away by this suppliment. I don't plan on rushing out and playing IH.

I still wish they would update planetstrike and City to 6th already. Sentinels, Raukaan and Black Legion have some good stuff for that.

 Matt1785 wrote:
Fluff portion of the book read pretty awkward... really made me hate these guys a lot. So basically they were the biggest Space Marine dirt bags until about 400 years ago

Yes, they used to be the biggest douchebags in the galaxy until they realized that acting like that only made them weaker rather than stronger. That was really the only part about the supplement's fluff that I liked.
I hate it how they turned the Iron Hands into an almost completely codex compliant chapter. The autonomous clans were really the best part about the Iron Hands IMO.
I will be cheerfully pretending that they are still organised in autonomous clans.

No dread HQ option. Slap in the face. Old fluff is best fluff. Not even iron father references, they changed the name. Crap book with decent relics and warlord traits, otherwise bad bad bad bad bad bad.

The price for the supplement after reading the book a few times is quite hard to justify. Though then again, it could be worse.

Thanks for the info on this, guys, it's really helpful. Really helpful in that it doesn't sound like there's enough content to justify the purchase... but it's still nice to know generally what it contained. Mostly just warlord traits and relics seems to be a bit too little to justify a supplement, imo...

Can a Clan Raukaan detachment ally book Iron hands? One chapter master gets the Shield Eternal and the other gets Chains of Medusa. Seems pretty bad ass if it's possible.

From wrote:
Can a Clan Raukaan detachment ally book Iron hands? One chapter master gets the Shield Eternal and the other gets Chains of Medusa. Seems pretty bad ass if it's possible.

That's a tight spot. Normally, you cannot ally with the same Chapter Tactics... and Raukaan uses the same CT of normal Iron Hands. The same situation happens with Sentinels of Terra and IF detachments, as they both have CT (IF).

 c0j1r0 wrote:
I just bought and read through the new IH supplement is there is still no named characters and you still can't give HQs Servo-Arms, other than the ones who have them already. It looks like we'll never get those at this point. The warlord traits and chapter relics are cool though.

I was really hoping for TDA sergeants, perhaps at the cost of normal TDA squads.

example, IH sergeants not on a bike or jump pack may replace all weapons for TDA SB+SW for 25 pts
IH Tac Terminator and Assault Terminator squads take up 2 elite slots.

 Vector Strike wrote:

From wrote:
Can a Clan Raukaan detachment ally book Iron hands? One chapter master gets the Shield Eternal and the other gets Chains of Medusa. Seems pretty bad ass if it's possible.

That's a tight spot. Normally, you cannot ally with the same Chapter Tactics... and Raukaan uses the same CT of normal Iron Hands. The same situation happens with Sentinels of Terra and IF detachments, as they both have CT (IF).

Worth a shot. I know it's completely legal to take a CM from white scars and give him the shield.

 Trozen wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Malik_Raynor wrote:
Question....
Does Gorgon Chain and the Warlord Trait stack for a 3+ FNP? Also, is that Warlord Trait army wide, Warlord, or Warlord + unit joined? Thanks

6+ Iron hands

5+ Chains

4+ Warlord trait.

3+ In command squad with apothecary.

2+ if shot by Pink Horrors

 Exergy wrote:

 Trozen wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Malik_Raynor wrote:
Question....
Does Gorgon Chain and the Warlord Trait stack for a 3+ FNP? Also, is that Warlord Trait army wide, Warlord, or Warlord + unit joined? Thanks

6+ Iron hands

5+ Chains

4+ Warlord trait.

3+ In command squad with apothecary.

2+ if shot by Pink Horrors

Not 100% sure but I think you have to suffer a wound to get feel-no-pain therefor losing the original 1+
Meaning it's still a 3+ unless shot by multiple(but then you will only have 1/2 wounds left)

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 Trozen wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Malik_Raynor wrote:
Question....
Does Gorgon Chain and the Warlord Trait stack for a 3+ FNP? Also, is that Warlord Trait army wide, Warlord, or Warlord + unit joined? Thanks

6+ Iron hands

5+ Chains

4+ Warlord trait.

3+ In command squad with apothecary.

2+ if shot by Pink Horrors

Not 100% sure but I think you have to suffer a wound to get feel-no-pain therefor losing the original 1+
Meaning it's still a 3+ unless shot by multiple(but then you will only have 1/2 wounds left)

I thought it was unit based

if not, you take a wound, then IWND you get your wound back

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Tyr13 wrote:
None. Anything unique to the old iron hands is gone. Theyre just bionic tank lovers that have named their codex-standard companies after their clans. Really disappointed about how they butchered the fluff.

edit: That was in response to da001.

@abadabadoobaddon: There arent any independent companies anymore. Completely and utterly codex compliant. Which is why Im going to completely ignore this piece of .

So they have chaplains and a chapter master now?

Oh I see now. Yeah, Iron Chaplains make me iron vomit a little in my iron mouth.

Well.. I'm just happy about the new rules and use them with the old fluff instead. It suits me better. We don't have to adopt new fluff when there is old fluff too. It doesn't overwrite it automatically fortunatelly. Its up to each and every one of us what we feel harmonizes fluffwize. (IMHO).