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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 PrinceRaven wrote:
I vote that it is treated as a normal shooting attack resolved at BS 1, so special rules that affect a normal shooting attack affect it, and those that don't, won't.


My Devastator Sarge has a special piece of Wargear that makes one model BS5. This is a special rule/wargear that affects normal shooting attacks. Are you saying that it should affect my Overwatch? Because that goes against all the rules for Snap Shooting.


Go ahead, the fact that you're snap shooting will still resolve the shot at BS1 just as it would in a normal shooting attack.

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You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 PrinceRaven wrote:
I vote that it is treated as a normal shooting attack resolved at BS 1, so special rules that affect a normal shooting attack affect it, and those that don't, won't.


My Devastator Sarge has a special piece of Wargear that makes one model BS5. This is a special rule/wargear that affects normal shooting attacks. Are you saying that it should affect my Overwatch? Because that goes against all the rules for Snap Shooting.

Well, since the FAQ disallows that from modify snapshots, it wouldn't do anything. Only Tau markerlights currently have permission to change snapshot.
   
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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 PrinceRaven wrote:
I vote that it is treated as a normal shooting attack resolved at BS 1, so special rules that affect a normal shooting attack affect it, and those that don't, won't.


My Devastator Sarge has a special piece of Wargear that makes one model BS5. This is a special rule/wargear that affects normal shooting attacks. Are you saying that it should affect my Overwatch? Because that goes against all the rules for Snap Shooting.

From the most resent FAQ
Q: Can the BS1 of a Snap Shot ever be modified by special rules
that modify the BS of a model’s Shooting attack (such as Space
Marine Signums or Sergeant Telion’s Voice of Experience)? (p13)
A: No

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:

My Devastator Sarge has a special piece of Wargear that makes one model BS5. This is a special rule/wargear that affects normal shooting attacks. Are you saying that it should affect my Overwatch?
Because that goes against all the rules for Snap Shooting.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

From the most resent FAQ
Q: Can the BS1 of a Snap Shot ever be modified by special rules
that modify the BS of a model’s Shooting attack (such as Space
Marine Signums or Sergeant Telion’s Voice of Experience)? (p13)
A: No


As you can see from the underlined section of my post, I'm obviously aware of the FAQ and all the rules surrounding Snapping.

My point was, you can't treat it as a "normal" shooting attack, as Prince Raven claims you can, since there are additional rules surrounding Overwatch that may disbar certain special rules and wargear. Like the Signum: not allowed/doesn't do anything.

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RAW, there is only one shooting phase,

RAW abilities that are used in the shooting phase, are used in the shooting phase,

there are OTHER more general rules that apply to all shooting, not just in its phase.

RAW overwatch happens in the assault phase, there is no need, for a second shooting phase, nor is one in the rules.

RAI/RAW is very much that overwatch should be "snap shots" and not very effective, and that abilities that specifically only apply to shooting phase, do not apply to the assault phase.

is we start using terms like "assault phase" and shooting phase, and just start inventing our own "shooting phase part 2" and assault phase part 2, whats to stop us from calling "running" in the "shooting phase" movement phase part two?

we can move in the shooting phase just fine without making up new rules,

we can shoot in the assault phase just fine without making up new rules, which is exactly what one of the options in this thread does.

 
   
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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 Elric Greywolf wrote:

My Devastator Sarge has a special piece of Wargear that makes one model BS5. This is a special rule/wargear that affects normal shooting attacks. Are you saying that it should affect my Overwatch?
Because that goes against all the rules for Snap Shooting.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

From the most resent FAQ
Q: Can the BS1 of a Snap Shot ever be modified by special rules
that modify the BS of a model’s Shooting attack (such as Space
Marine Signums or Sergeant Telion’s Voice of Experience)? (p13)
A: No


As you can see from the underlined section of my post, I'm obviously aware of the FAQ and all the rules surrounding Snapping.

My point was, you can't treat it as a "normal" shooting attack, as Prince Raven claims you can, since there are additional rules surrounding Overwatch that may disbar certain special rules and wargear. Like the Signum: not allowed/doesn't do anything.

I am not sure why you would bring it up then. Even in a normal shooting attack during the shooting phase, if you are forced to Snap Fire a heavy weapon, you still couldn't use the Signum to buff your chance to hit. The limiting the factor in this case isn't overwatch, but Snapshots, which would have the same effect either way.

Also, what additional rules for overwatch are you referring to?

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 Elric Greywolf wrote:

My Devastator Sarge has a special piece of Wargear that makes one model BS5. This is a special rule/wargear that affects normal shooting attacks. Are you saying that it should affect my Overwatch?
Because that goes against all the rules for Snap Shooting.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

From the most resent FAQ
Q: Can the BS1 of a Snap Shot ever be modified by special rules
that modify the BS of a model’s Shooting attack (such as Space
Marine Signums or Sergeant Telion’s Voice of Experience)? (p13)
A: No


As you can see from the underlined section of my post, I'm obviously aware of the FAQ and all the rules surrounding Snapping.

My point was, you can't treat it as a "normal" shooting attack, as Prince Raven claims you can, since there are additional rules surrounding Overwatch that may disbar certain special rules and wargear. Like the Signum: not allowed/doesn't do anything.


I'm confused by what you're trying to say here, how is a Snap Shot made during overwatch any different from a Snap Shot made in a normal shooting attack? The signum does not modify the shot in both scenarios as that is a feature of Snap Shots, not overwatch.

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You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

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the difference being, overwatch gives you permision to shoot, via snap shots, in the ASSAULT PHASE, and the assault phase only.


please, show me where in the over watch rules it lets you overwatch in the "shooting phase"

so that you can continue to, incorrectly, apply rules that ONLY apply to the shooting phase, to the assault phase.

 
   
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So I can Run during Overwatch if it's a Shooting Phase, right?

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one weapon is the NORMAL SHOOTING RULE, that overwatch conforms too nosferratu,
your above point is 100% irrelevent and not correct
total red herring argument,

overwatch is different from NORMAL shooting,
in a very few, NAMED ways,
IE: done in the ASSAULT phase, even in opponents turn, and using snap shots, and special rules for templates.

you are now making up rules about certain normal shooting rules not applying to overwatch regarding # of weapons fired.

it in no way helps your incorrect arguement, and in no way helps prove that there are TWO shooting phases,

nothing will prove there are two shooting phases, because there simply are not two.

address this GLARING and OBVOIUS problem with you using a rule that ONLY aplies in the "shooting phase" and using it in the "assault phase"

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 easysauce wrote:
one weapon is the NORMAL SHOOTING RULE, that overwatch conforms too nosferratu,

The rule limiting models to firing a single weapon applies specifically to the Shooting phase.


it in no way helps your incorrect arguement, and in no way helps prove that there are TWO shooting phases,

nothing will prove there are two shooting phases, because there simply are not two.

This is correct. Overwatch is not a Shooting phase. It is a normal shooting attack, though... which follows the rules for shooting, which are outlined in the 'Shooting Phase' section.


address this GLARING and OBVOIUS problem with you using a rule that ONLY aplies in the "shooting phase" and using it in the "assault phase"

This has already been addressed. ALL of the shooting rules apply to the Shooting phase. Overwatch gives you permission to make a shooting attack in the Assault phase.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:

This has already been addressed. ALL of the shooting rules apply to the Shooting phase. Overwatch gives you permission to make a shooting attack in the Assault phase.

no, it has not been addressed,

multi tracker, is NOT part of the BRB's "shooting rules", cite otherwise please (its not, this is 100%)

in actualy RAW, multi tracker is not applied when the model uses "shooting rules" it is applied in the "shooting phase"


Even if it had been, it is still NOT permission to use "shooting phase" ONLY rules, in the assault phase.

overwatch has different rules from normal shooting, although they may share SOME of the rules, IE # of shots, how wounds are worked out, there are noted differences.

being: snap shots, templates, and done in the assault phase. we are told, to conform to all other rules for shooting, with the # of weapons being one of those rules we are told to adhere to. the # of weapons a model can fire, is the # it can fire, it is not a "shooting phase" only rule... and even if it was as you assert, then you have no permission to shoot ANY weapons in overwatch, not the "OMG DERP I CAN SHOOT EM ALL CAUSE: REASONS!"

as you are blatently ignoring that overwatch tells you to follow the shooting rules, including how the relate to # of weapons fired.

we are told to use shooting rules, in the assault phase.

that is NOT defacto equating "shooting phase" to "assault phase"

and is in no way shape or form, a permission to apply "shooting phase" only special rules, to "assault phase"

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 easysauce wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

This has already been addressed. ALL of the shooting rules apply to the Shooting phase. Overwatch gives you permission to make a shooting attack in the Assault phase.

no, it has not been addressed,

multi tracker, is NOT part of the BRB's "shooting rules", cite otherwise please (its not, this is 100%)

in actualy RAW, multi tracker is not applied when the model uses "shooting rules" it is applied in the "shooting phase"


Even if it had been, it is still NOT permission to use "shooting phase" ONLY rules, in the assault phase.

Well firing only one weapon is a "shooting phase" ONLY rule

so, by your logic, models are not restricted to this in the assault phase and can shoot all of their weapons and throw a grenade each.

That is 2 bolter shots, 1 bolt postil shot, one krak grenade for overwatch for Space Wolf Troops and then they get counter attack and 2 attacks each in the CC (So 3 attacks on the turn they are charged 2 the rest of the time). Nice...

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no they are, you are only given specific permission from overwatch to change a few rules regarding shooting...

claiming it "means you can fire all the weapons you want" is total red herring, irrelevent.

by your inncorrect reading, the out come would be NO weapons can be fired, not all weapons.

you keep willfully ignoring that fact..

we are TOLD to shoot in the assault phase, by the overwatch rules.

there are a few, named exceptions to us following the shooting rules.

# of shots, is NOT one of them, you have no rules to back up your "fire all my weapons" assertation.


we are given permission, to shoot a weapon in the shooting phase.

overwatch lets us shoot it when assaulted, in the assault phase,

we have been given specific permission to shoot in the assault phase, with some restrictions, but generally as we would in the shooting phase.

this still does not equate to other, NON BRB shooting rules, that specifically refer to "shooting phase" as being applicable in the assault phase.

otherwise,

ANY codex power, or rule, that says I can use it in shooting/movement/assault phase, can be used in any phase you want.

at least acording to you, which is 100% false.

 
   
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We are given permission to fire a number of times listed on a weapons profile.

There is a restriction in the shooting phase that restricts each model to only one weapon...

It actually does mean "you can fire all the weapons you want" as we have permission already, and a restriction only for a phase we are not in...

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 DeathReaper wrote:
We are given permission to fire a number of times listed on a weapons profile.

There is a restriction in the shooting phase that restricts each model to only one weapon...

It actually does mean "you can fire all the weapons you want" as we have permission already, and a restriction only for a phase we are not in...

Overwatch says that it is affected by the normal shooting restrictions IN THE RULE!
Overwatch is in the ASSAULT PHASE so things that affect the shooting phase don't affect it.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Overwatch says that it is affected by the normal shooting restrictions IN THE RULE!
Overwatch is in the ASSAULT PHASE so things that affect the shooting phase don't affect it.

Yes, that's exactly the point. There is no rule in the shooting rules that mentions how many weapons a model can fire.

There is a rule in the Weapons section that restricts models to firing a single weapon in the Shooting phase.

If Shooting phase specific rules don't apply to Overwatch, then there is no rule limiting how many weapons a model can fire in Overwatch.

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@easysauce, you need to calm down dude....

regarding the post:

the rules for overwatch can be found in their entirety on p21.

it clearly states that this is treated as normal shooting attack that uses all the normal rules for shooting.

it then outlines the restrictions, these include no moral or pinning is caused even if the weapon would normally cause them and that a unit can only fire one overwatch and cannot be locked in combat.

seems to me that the normal shooting rules would be everything to do with shooting unless otherwise specified.
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Darkness - so I can fire a Bolger, bolt pistol and throw a grenade, with every member of a chaos marine unit .? After all, the restriction on firing only one weapon is only found in the shooting phase.

Agreed, which was my point.

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 easysauce wrote:
multi tracker, is NOT part of the BRB's "shooting rules", cite otherwise please (its not, this is 100%)

Why does that make any difference? Overwatch doesn't tell you that the only shooting rules you can apply are those in the BRB.


in actualy RAW, multi tracker is not applied when the model uses "shooting rules" it is applied in the "shooting phase"

Yes, indeed it is. But so is every other rule for shooting.

Seriously, pick up your rulebook and try to find the 'Shooting' section. Let us know if you find it.


Even if it had been, it is still NOT permission to use "shooting phase" ONLY rules, in the assault phase.

Then you have no permission to shoot at all in the assault phase, and Overwatch does nothing.


... we are told, to conform to all other rules for shooting, with the # of weapons being one of those rules we are told to adhere to. the # of weapons a model can fire, is the # it can fire, it is not a "shooting phase" only rule... and even if it was as you assert, then you have no permission to shoot ANY weapons in overwatch, not the "OMG DERP I CAN SHOOT EM ALL CAUSE: REASONS!"

You can't have it both ways. If 'shooting phase only' rules don't apply to Overwatch, why are you applying the rule limiting you to one weapon?

Go have a look at the actual rule. It is quite specific to the shooting phase.


we are told to use shooting rules, in the assault phase.

that is NOT defacto equating "shooting phase" to "assault phase"

No, actually, it really is. Because the 'Shooting phase' rules are where we find the rules for shooting. So you apply those rules to the shooting you make on Overwatch. The only difference, other than the exceptions specifically made by the Overwatch rule, is the phase in which it happens.

 
   
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Yet that is no longer a normal shooting attack, is it?

Treating it as a NORMAL shooting attack is fairly easy - pretend it is the shooting phase, and carry on. As soon as you say you cannot use THIS shooting phase rule, you are inconsistent if you then only allow models to fire one weapon (2 if MC)
   
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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I have decided to sent a e-mail to GW rules (Gamefaqs@gwplc.com) with questions about unresolved issues I have had, this among them. I'll post a reply if I get one.

Don't expect anything useful from it. Rules questions emailed to GW are answered by one of the mail order guys. It's ultimately no different to walking into a GW store and asking one of the staff... which, ultimately, is no more likely to get you a good answer than the thread here. GW don't give 'official' rules answers other than through the FAQs.


 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I have decided to sent a e-mail to GW rules (Gamefaqs@gwplc.com) with questions about unresolved issues I have had, this among them. I'll post a reply if I get one.

Don't expect anything useful from it. Rules questions emailed to GW are answered by one of the mail order guys. It's ultimately no different to walking into a GW store and asking one of the staff... which, ultimately, is no more likely to get you a good answer than the thread here. GW don't give 'official' rules answers other than through the FAQs.


It's like the New York lottery, hey, you never know.
I do agree that nothing will probably come of it, but just in case. Really, GW needs to get something in place that would resolve issues like this.

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I do agree that nothing will probably come of it, but just in case. Really, GW needs to get something in place that would resolve issues like this.

They are currently hiring an Editor, according to their careers page... Although going by the ad they appear to be looking for someone who is a good 'fit' rather than someone who actually has any sort of experience and or qualifications for the job, so who knows what will come from that.


Email or phone support for rules issues is never really going to work, because for everyone who says 'I called GW and they said...' there's giong to be someone else who says 'Prove it'.

The ideal response would be something like is done by other games - you have a section on the company's own forums for rules issues, and either the guys who write the rules answer questions there, or a group of 'rules experts' vetted by the company do so, and confirm tricky issues with the studio. The problems with GW implementing such a scheme though are that they (a) closed down their forums years ago because people weren't universally positive about GW's product on them and (b) it would require GW to take their own games with some level of seriousness.




 
   
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i put Yes because there are some rules that say Shooting Phase, and also say it does not work in Overwatch (Tau M3S or CNC Node come to mind), while others leave out the Overwatch part.

Monstrous Creatures are in the same boat as Tau suits, technically. Its worded the same way (specifically saying Shooting Phase).

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 DarknessEternal wrote:
So I can Run during Overwatch if it's a Shooting Phase, right?


It's not a shooting phase, it's a "normal shooting attack", so you can If you have a special rule that allows you to run during a shooting attack.

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You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

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 PrinceRaven wrote:
 DarknessEternal wrote:
So I can Run during Overwatch if it's a Shooting Phase, right?


It's not a shooting phase, it's a "normal shooting attack", so you can If you have a special rule that allows you to run during a shooting attack.


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Battle Focus allows you to both run and shoot in the shooting phase, not run while simultaneously making a shooting attack, so no.

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You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

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