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So what Lord of War does the Adepta Sororitas get I wonder...

Valete,

JohnS

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 Kroothawk wrote:
and won't use Apocalypse units in regular games out of respect for game balance.

Come on ! Game balance is dead and buried anyway ! Some may even say it was a legend all along, and never existed !

TIL There's a hobbit game. Also, there's no new 40k this month.

From what I hear, Destroyer weapons will be dropped to S10 AP 1 instead.

I really am not sure what the meaning of this is, but I bet tournaments will have a bit of a spin-up now that Super Heavies are allowed in standard 40K.

Are the books going to be available right away on the iPad does anyone know? I prefer digital copies and carrying an iPad to 100 books.

Every month there is a question mark over what the releases will be I build myself up thinking 'this is the month they will release the inquisitor box set, this is it!!' and every month I get just a tiny bit more jaded and a tiny bit more frustrated at GW!! Gggrrr

Knockagh wrote:
Every month there is a question mark over what the releases will be I build myself up thinking 'this is the month they will release the inquisitor box set, this is it!!' and every month I get just a tiny bit more jaded and a tiny bit more frustrated at GW!! Gggrrr

You are getting angry and jaded with GW because they are not publishing a game made up by some rumour-monkey for a few extra ad-sense clicks?

 Zweischneid wrote:

Knockagh wrote:
Every month there is a question mark over what the releases will be I build myself up thinking 'this is the month they will release the inquisitor box set, this is it!!' and every month I get just a tiny bit more jaded and a tiny bit more frustrated at GW!! Gggrrr

You are getting angry and jaded with GW because they are not publishing a game made up by some rumour-monkey for a few extra ad-sense clicks?

...OK.

Anyway, while we feel your pain, your expectations may be a bit unrealistic at this point, sadly.

 filbert wrote:


It seems an odd decision to me. I understand them wanting to concentrate on LOTR at Christmas given the money they spent on obtaining the license but doing so at the expense of their other ranges seems folly to me.

Every Hobbit release so far has been in addition to a Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 release. GW stated a year ago that all Hobbit releases would be on top of the other two system releases and no instead of.


I for one am very happy with the Hobbit stuff. All of December's hobby cash will be going on lovely Elves and the DoS expansion.

Escalations cover is the cover of Baneblade recoloured.That doesn't feel like a good sign.

Yeah, using a picture of a baneblade to sell a book which features rules for using baneblades... the jackasses

What I mean is that apparantly its not good enough for its own cover.

Da krimson barun wrote:
What I mean is that apparantly its not good enough for its own cover.

You realise you're literally judging a book by it's cover here

With New Releases being more or less disappointing, is there anything worth picking up the magazine this month? Are the Army of the Month, Parade Ground, Kit Bash or Battleground articles any good compared to previous issues?

 Matt1785 wrote:
From what I hear, Destroyer weapons will be dropped to S10 AP 1 instead.

I'm not familiar with D weapons, but S10 AP1 pretty much means instant death, no armour save, and pretty much gauranteed glancing/penetrating hits on vehicles. So it's essentially hit-to-destroy?

I really am not sure what the meaning of this is, but I bet tournaments will have a bit of a spin-up now that Super Heavies are allowed in standard 40K.

It's an expansion, so it'd need to be explicitly allowed, and I imagine in most cases it'll be explicitly forbidden. I don't see anyone just turning up to tournaments with a Superheavy, and if they do I can see it killing off the tourney rather than boosting it.

 Bull0 wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
What I mean is that apparantly its not good enough for its own cover.

You realise you're literally judging a book by it's cover here

In this case there is nothing wrong with doing that. There is a legitimate concern that, like other recent releases in the same vein (ie non core books), there will be little new content of any worth while most of the book will be reprinted stats/rules and fluff, the fact that they haven't put any effort into getting it it's own cover says a lot.

 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, interesting to see that the Escalation cover is just a recolour of a BL novel.

Most digital pieces for GW are in color. They're just desaturated to keep the print costs down. It probably was color all along.

so still no new guard or nids codex? fml...

guard need a new codex but nids DEFFO need one..

come on GW sort your lives out give us new codexes and models to paint not new rules we will never use.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
What I mean is that apparantly its not good enough for its own cover.

You realise you're literally judging a book by it's cover here

In this case there is nothing wrong with doing that. There is a legitimate concern that, like other recent releases in the same vein (ie non core books), there will be little new content of any worth while most of the book will be reprinted stats/rules and fluff, the fact that they haven't put any effort into getting it it's own cover says a lot.

Yeah, I do get that, but it's not like this is a book expanding on some new section of the lore - we know what the contents are, it's just a bunch of apocalypse rules made to fit in to normal 40k. How badly can they get it wrong? If the book is mostly reprints from Apocalypse, I'll be happy, to be honest. Yeah, completionist collectors might be a tad miffed if it's mostly recycled, but it's a utility book that fulfils a specific purpose, we're not charting new territory here. If it were a codex update, I'd agree with you. I felt that way about the new AS and Inq books (more so the latter). But hey - they got new covers! So where would we have been if we'd judged them by the cover, eh?

I would say very few new releases but maybe some bundles. Seems to be trend with FW at the moment.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
What I mean is that apparantly its not good enough for its own cover.

You realise you're literally judging a book by it's cover here

In this case there is nothing wrong with doing that. There is a legitimate concern that, like other recent releases in the same vein (ie non core books), there will be little new content of any worth while most of the book will be reprinted stats/rules and fluff, the fact that they haven't put any effort into getting it it's own cover says a lot.

such would exactly be my concern. 'Hey, pay us for something you already own!' This sort of stuff would have just been included in White Dwarf in years past.

weeble1000 wrote:
such would exactly be my concern. 'Hey, pay us for something you already own!' This sort of stuff would have just been included in White Dwarf in years past.

I think we're at the point where we have to accept that WD is never going to be a magazine with content, so constantly wishing that it would be won't exactly do anything.

Herzlos wrote:

 Matt1785 wrote:
From what I hear, Destroyer weapons will be dropped to S10 AP 1 instead.

I'm not familiar with D weapons, but S10 AP1 pretty much means instant death, no armour save, and pretty much gauranteed glancing/penetrating hits on vehicles. So it's essentially hit-to-destroy?

I really am not sure what the meaning of this is, but I bet tournaments will have a bit of a spin-up now that Super Heavies are allowed in standard 40K.

It's an expansion, so it'd need to be explicitly allowed, and I imagine in most cases it'll be explicitly forbidden. I don't see anyone just turning up to tournaments with a Superheavy, and if they do I can see it killing off the tourney rather than boosting it.

FYI: As a regular APOC player (played in a 12,000 point game today) there is an TREMENDOUS difference between a S10AP1 weapon and a D weapon.
Night and day. The D weapon is vastly superior - if you get a chance check it out (yes, that may be hard to believe, but they really really are).

For example, a S10AP1 hit against a land raider will only do something 50% of the time, and he can get cover, or various other things to save a vehicle (what ever).
A D Hit against a land raider explodes it on a 2+. (On a 1 you just get an auto pen). No saves of any kind. At all. Really. Nothing, zip.
No invul, no cover, no smoke, no will be back, no serpent shields, no disruption pods, no flicker fields - nothing. You are bitz in the dirt.

A D class blast will vaporize a squad of necron wraiths or storm shield termies, it will vaporize your eternal warrior storm shield chapter master (well, on 1 he lives....).
The are absolutely a bazillion times better than a S10AP1 (which I saw bounce several times today of av13, it was so sad...).

They are totally awesome, I am wholly recommend to anyone to give apoc a try, with the right attitude - it is a ton of fun.

I speculate that the "40k game" version of the models will be toned down some, and there will be a lot of limitations.
Also, I do indeed agree that UNLESS they faq/rules update the main book to include a "Lord of War" slot in the FOC, this will just be another expansion that players can choose to play with or not (just like cityfight, planetstrike, spearhead, etc.).

I expect the rules will bassicly be a reprint of the age of darkness rules in the Betryal book from Forge World. The advantage of this will probably be the fact it's a cheaper book.

bassicly the game needs to be 2000+ points for a lord of war choice, and it can't be more then %25 of your point allowance.

davethepak wrote:

Spoiler:

Herzlos wrote:

 Matt1785 wrote:
From what I hear, Destroyer weapons will be dropped to S10 AP 1 instead.

I'm not familiar with D weapons, but S10 AP1 pretty much means instant death, no armour save, and pretty much gauranteed glancing/penetrating hits on vehicles. So it's essentially hit-to-destroy?

I really am not sure what the meaning of this is, but I bet tournaments will have a bit of a spin-up now that Super Heavies are allowed in standard 40K.

It's an expansion, so it'd need to be explicitly allowed, and I imagine in most cases it'll be explicitly forbidden. I don't see anyone just turning up to tournaments with a Superheavy, and if they do I can see it killing off the tourney rather than boosting it.

FYI: As a regular APOC player (played in a 12,000 point game today) there is an TREMENDOUS difference between a S10AP1 weapon and a D weapon.
Night and day. The D weapon is vastly superior - if you get a chance check it out (yes, that may be hard to believe, but they really really are).

For example, a S10AP1 hit against a land raider will only do something 50% of the time, and he can get cover, or various other things to save a vehicle (what ever).
A D Hit against a land raider explodes it on a 2+. (On a 1 you just get an auto pen). No saves of any kind. At all. Really. Nothing, zip.
No invul, no cover, no smoke, no will be back, no serpent shields, no disruption pods, no flicker fields - nothing. You are bitz in the dirt.

A D class blast will vaporize a squad of necron wraiths or storm shield termies, it will vaporize your eternal warrior storm shield chapter master (well, on 1 he lives....).
The are absolutely a bazillion times better than a S10AP1 (which I saw bounce several times today of av13, it was so sad...).

They are totally awesome, I am wholly recommend to anyone to give apoc a try, with the right attitude - it is a ton of fun.

I speculate that the "40k game" version of the models will be toned down some, and there will be a lot of limitations.
Also, I do indeed agree that UNLESS they faq/rules update the main book to include a "Lord of War" slot in the FOC, this will just be another expansion that players can choose to play with or not (just like cityfight, planetstrike, spearhead, etc.).

The problem i've had is apoc always quickly devolves into who can spam the most turbo lasers. Then Apoc starts to get boreing quickly as you wait long turns to have huge chunkes of your finely painted models taken off in handfuls. For alot of gaming groups D-weapons end up becoming a "Pandora's box", that destroyed apoc for them once it was opened. That has been my experience, and I still have a bad taste for apoc from that.

But I got a feeling the D-weapons on the super heavies will still be listed as apoc d-weapons as they were in the Betrayal book.

The problem with strength D weapons is that they are completely overpowered on super heavy walkers, while being priced the same points wise as all the other Titan weapons. A Warhound titan can easily kill a bio titan twice its cost in a single turn of shooting, so you can remove your extremely expensive FW model from the table before it gets to do anything. IMO they should just have been STR 10 AP1 Ignores cover, armourbane, multiple wound 1d3.

Da krimson barun wrote:
What I mean is that apparantly its not good enough for its own cover.

The Chaos Space Marines codex; a book that has been used decidedly more often than this one will, uses the cover from an unremarkable Henry Zou Black Library novel. It's a cool cover regardless. I wouldn't worry about it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
such would exactly be my concern. 'Hey, pay us for something you already own!' This sort of stuff would have just been included in White Dwarf in years past.

I think we're at the point where we have to accept that WD is never going to be a magazine with content, so constantly wishing that it would be won't exactly do anything.

No, you don't have to accept it. You can accept the reality that this is what GW is doing, but you don't have to accept it in the sense of paying for it. GW is repackaging rules that it already sold with art it already sold, and maybe adding in a couple of pages of fluff. That should all be in White Dwarf, which costs plenty well enough to justify that. This is a cheap cash grab that GW is pushing on its customers by way of "legitimizing" a subset of rules in "normal" games of 40K. If you want to avail yourself of the "new" rules, you have to buy the "new" book. For a company that is not all about the tournament scene, this is clearly a cheap way to get money out of more competitive players who feel that they need to have the "official" rules.

But hey, people can buy what they want. It just seems like the best gaming company in the world should be able to produce legitimately new content rather than just trying find new ways to squeeze blood out of a stone.

Knockagh wrote:
Every month there is a question mark over what the releases will be I build myself up thinking 'this is the month they will release the inquisitor box set, this is it!!' and every month I get just a tiny bit more jaded and a tiny bit more frustrated at GW!! Gggrrr

I still have hope that Inquisition is coming in Frebruary

I wonder how many independent retailers are looking forward to the new Hobbit book, as it will allow them to trade back their 'limited edition' Goblin Town boxes to GW.

gw release rules in white dwarf...the internet complains that they're unavailable.

Gw releases rules in a rulebook...people complain about having to pay for them.

If you guys think that the rules for an £80 model should be perminantly unavailable to someone simply because he didn't pick up a white dwarf one month, i'd love to hear your reasoning why.

 George Spiggott wrote:
I wonder how many independent retailers are looking forward to the new Hobbit book, as it will allow them to trade back their 'limited edition' Goblin Town boxes to GW.

Why?Its an expansion not a new Rulebook.We still have escape from goblin town.