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I tend to not concede. I prefer to play it out. However. I have conceded 3 times. Once to my son, who at 11, had me close enough to beaten that conceding to him so he could hit the sack at 1045 wasnt that big of a deal. Once to a random pick up game I have 5 scouts left and had to head out anyway, the 1 hour drive home was calling my name :( . The last time was 2 sundays ago. 1250 Chaos versus my Loyalist Marines. Turn 4 I conceded. I had 7 scoring troops left, and 1/2 of my non scoring units. I was boxed in, unable to get to any of the objectives. He had mentioned he wanted to go play some MTG with a buddy of his at the game store we were in, so I conceded to allow him to go play before his ride showed up. I even voluntered to clean up the table as "punishment" for conceding.
Generaly I would have just started trying to force a tie. Kill off his troop chooices, stuff like that. However, he relies on his mom for transport and as a father myself, waiting for my kids AFTER the time they said they would be done is no fun, so I thought I would help him win good will.
Its a game, have fun. If you arent for some reason...find a new one.
if i have a chance, no matter how slim (unless im requiring a crazy streak of snake eye rolls) i will try to finish. ive pulled crazy wins out of my ass before i didnt think i was going to win. But when its turn 3 and i have 2 units left and he has most of his army, i just concede lol.
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I play on for the sake of more gameplay. Also, like previously mentioned, I'd hate to miss out on any of the suicidal shenanigans when you're just that desperate.
Example: In a relic mission, one of my last 2 surviving guardsmen squad was 8 inches away from my board edge with relic in hand, but there would be no cover saves from some flanking immortals. What do I do? I take a snapshot with a melta at the flyer that deposited said immortals, get 6 to hit, pen, jink save fails, EXPLODES. When they died to gauss fire next turn, I still didn't concede because my other squad was literally two helpless guardsmen within charge range of the immortals. I was officially tabled in overwatch.
Point is, at those points I don't care as much about winning so much as taking enemy and friendly models alike off the table through rash heroism.
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Silverthorne wrote: People admitting to loosing on the internet? I have to get a screencap of this.
You kidding me, I'm horrible at this game. I play Tau against Tyranids and Blood Angels and I'm pretty sure I have a below 50% history of winning.
Of course the guys in question have been playing since at least 3rd edition and get in ~3 games per week (having a big group of brothers who all play is a great help) and regularly place 1-3rd in local tournaments with tyranids (genestealer tyranids no less) and Blood Angels...
Yes, I am bragging about how good at losing I am. That's kinda hilarious now I think about it.
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I used to concede in situations like those. However, I've also played games where I thought I was going to lose, but then I turn the game around and end up either getting a draw or winning.
Also, I eventually reasoned how annoying it must be to deny an opponent the satisfaction of actually winning a game and just tell them, "You win."
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I will not concede a game, even when it is technically impossible for me to win/draw. What I usually end up doing is setting a short term goal so I can feel like I accomplished something. Usually the goal is to go after a valuable unit or a rather well painted one. Gives me a little satisfaction and allows my opponent to enjoy a full game.
Depends on a wide variety of factors. If I know for a fact I'm going to lose, I will probably ask my opponent if they're ready to call it a day. If they still want to whomp on me they usually say something along the lines of how I'm not in that bad of shape, and I will give it another turn or two before going back to the 'packing it in' issue.
I generally don't concede unless there's good reason - time's running out, a new game is waiting to be played, etc. Of course if the opponent doesn't want to finish the match for whatever reason - like he considers it too boring due to the obvious outcome - it's not like I force them to play til the end, though.
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If I'm obviously about to lose, I quit. There's really not much of a point in prolonging the inevitable. I prefer it when my opponent has the same sense of honor to lose gracefully
When I'm pretty sure its over, I'll concede... but offer to play it out if they want to. In a tourney, I never concede. I'm gonna give them the most pyrrhic victory, worth the fewest points possible.
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Usually if one of us is not having fun we'll concede and either pack up, set up for a new game, or we'll purposefully do something stupid (make it easy for the assault army to attack or charge your guardsman at chaos daemons). We really only play among friends so if one of us is not having fun its not really worth dragging out the process.
I don't mind when people concede to me in a tournament, it usually means I can have a longer lunch. That being said I had a guy bug me for a game at the local store(I usually just play at my house) so I packed up all of my stuff went down there unloaded everything, picked the senario, he rolls to go first, moves everything up in front of my marine gunline realizes he can't make a charge concedes turn 1. I literally spent more time getting there and unpacking my army then we did playing. That really pissed me off. It is not like a game of Mtg where you just scoop and re-shuffle. My point being that if it is a friendly game play it out. Phew feels good to get that off of my chest.
As long as I'm having fun. I'll carry on, and you never know when your opponent will run into a series of bad rolls.
But on the other hand, there are times when I know I won't be able to win. Like when my last troop choice dies in an objectives game on turn 5, that I let it end there and conceded.
I like to say I have two armies: Necrons, and Imperium.....
There's always something left to do. Suicide-charge the Trygon that just erupted from the ground and ate half a squad, lay down one final defiant wave of lasfire before you're utterly overrun, cover the officer's retreat back into a badly battered Valkyrie which then zooms off the table on the final turn...
Even if you can't win, it can be fun fighting a retreating action or making a desperate assassination attempt.
Spinner wrote: There's always something left to do. Suicide-charge the Trygon that just erupted from the ground and ate half a squad, lay down one final defiant wave of lasfire before you're utterly overrun, cover the officer's retreat back into a badly battered Valkyrie which then zooms off the table on the final turn...
Even if you can't win, it can be fun fighting a retreating action or making a desperate assassination attempt.
Keep in mind some people might not think that is fun to do. Just because something can be done doesn not mean it should be done.
BTW wouldn't the Commissar execute the officer for cowardice for that action?
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Well when I m playing with friends, we will end a game before its time if we run out of time for some reason. Apart from time we play games till the end. In other games at the LGS, I think that same thing happens mostly. Concede a game for a serious reason apart from loosing or no point on continuing the game.
I have found that too many players give up way to soon.
Yeah, I know, they will say '....I know my army..." or "Dude, it was over..." or "I had no chance...".
You have no idea how many players I have beat MERELY because they have given up, or how many games I have won because I did not give up.
I have seen players say "thats game...." after just turn one, and they were right....because they quit mentally.
I had a game a while ago (against the new tau) where I literally had lost 2/3 of my army by the end of turn two. I was about to give up....(I had one scoring unit left, and a handful of other models....it was bad).
I remembered my own advice...never give up.
I focused on things like line breaker, killing troops distracting my opponent etc.
I pulled out a tie, and almost got a win.
I have had terrible first turns in tournaments and almost pulled out wins (or had on several occasions).
Even better, a player who thinks they have beat you will become over confident and sloppy - allowing you to have even more opportunities.
One of the MOST important lessons I have learned in decades of competitive gaming - rarely do you have to beat the other army/side/models/units - you just have to defeat the other player.
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Once, I eked out a win with only a Scout Sniper and Celestine left against 2 small units of Lootas, a Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun, a Killa Kan or two, and a decent-size mob of Boyz.
I had my Scout in the enemy deployment zone, holding the objective worth 4 points and continually going to ground behind a defence line while firing snap shots against the Lootas. Celestine tried to assault the Boyz mob that was holding two objectives (though I was later informed that a single unit can only hold one objective in the current edition when I relayed this story earlier). She used her sword to roast a few Boyz in her shooting phase, only to lose her last wound to the Nob's slugga during Overwatch.
You would not believe how many 2+ cover saves that Scout made against.... is it Dakkaguns or Deffgunz that Lootas have? ...and the SAG, and the Killa Kanz' rokkitz and grotzookaz over 3 turns of constantly being shot at.
Last week I played a friend educational game vs a friend from the army who i ve put into the game. He decided to play csm so he wanted to play with his only 1500 which includes a nurgle DP, typhus, cultists, a couple plague marine/rhinos + some nurgle oblits. I knew that I didn't want to break my list, mount drakes and chaos daemons. So I made a fluffy zerkers/land raider/ kharn/juggerlord and khorne bikers list. The conclusion is that I lost juggerlord and bikes in turn 3. Kharn lost from typhus cause his saves went good. He claimed even it was one of his first games that I had lost. Game ended turn 5, I won 9-5 due to objectives. Nothing is over till its over.
i have Space wolves so:
-By fluff: till the man alive stand againts the enemy, till then the last man died then that its the moment that hoep died, not before.
-By sportmanship: like a good little champion, play till the last moment, enjoy the bitter defeat, accept yours mistakes and give a good handshake at the end of the game, then keep on, like a good wolf lord, being stubborn but no reckless...
-By mood and ****bageri of the other player: definetly no, dont let him have the satisfaction of make you left a imcomplete game, just keep calm, lose like a true hero, make new objetives, like kill his warlord or just detroy his death star if you can, finish, show your maturity give him a sportmanship handshake and never play him again, ever -By fun factor: if the wining side is an old friend, just remain him "how fat yo mamma is", cheers with beers and lol the hole game making voices of his afeminated chaos lord or how one ork just forget to throw da stikky bomb instead the safe
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Haight wrote: I play until the game is finished. I get annoyed when i'm winning and someone just throws in the towel. For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit.
Secondly, it reeks of sour grapes. Yeah yeah, I get the whole "i play to have fun and getting beaten isn't fun" - i call shenanigans. Some of the most fun games i've had i've gotten my butt handed to me. It's also good sportsmanship.
So yeah, i'll carry on. The only way i'll walk from a game is if i'm playing someone new and they are a mega donkey-cave. I've done it all of one time in my life.
"For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit. " Really? You crushed me so solidly that I had no more options. You won.
I don't understand people that has the need to crush you down to your last man to feel like they won. I conceded, you won.
I'll keep playing so long as I have a chance if I roll 7 sixes in a row. But when I'm sitting there with 3 repentias left and a rhino on the other end of the table from the fighting, and my enemy still has 2 riptides and 3 units of firewarriors, I just don't see the point of us continuing.
Haight wrote: I play until the game is finished. I get annoyed when i'm winning and someone just throws in the towel. For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit.
Secondly, it reeks of sour grapes. Yeah yeah, I get the whole "i play to have fun and getting beaten isn't fun" - i call shenanigans. Some of the most fun games i've had i've gotten my butt handed to me. It's also good sportsmanship.
So yeah, i'll carry on. The only way i'll walk from a game is if i'm playing someone new and they are a mega donkey-cave. I've done it all of one time in my life.
"For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit. " Really? You crushed me so solidly that I had no more options. You won.
I don't understand people that has the need to crush you down to your last man to feel like they won. I conceded, you won.
I'll keep playing so long as I have a chance if I roll 7 sixes in a row. But when I'm sitting there with 3 repentias left and a rhino on the other end of the table from the fighting, and my enemy still has 2 riptides and 3 units of firewarriors, I just don't see the point of us continuing.
Really? You'd deny your Repentia the chance to reclaim their... what exactly do Repentia try to reclaim through suicidal charges with melee weapons? ...through death in battle, just because it's pointless?
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Haight wrote: I play until the game is finished. I get annoyed when i'm winning and someone just throws in the towel. For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit.
Secondly, it reeks of sour grapes. Yeah yeah, I get the whole "i play to have fun and getting beaten isn't fun" - i call shenanigans. Some of the most fun games i've had i've gotten my butt handed to me. It's also good sportsmanship.
So yeah, i'll carry on. The only way i'll walk from a game is if i'm playing someone new and they are a mega donkey-cave. I've done it all of one time in my life.
"For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit. " Really? You crushed me so solidly that I had no more options. You won.
I don't understand people that has the need to crush you down to your last man to feel like they won. I conceded, you won.
I'll keep playing so long as I have a chance if I roll 7 sixes in a row. But when I'm sitting there with 3 repentias left and a rhino on the other end of the table from the fighting, and my enemy still has 2 riptides and 3 units of firewarriors, I just don't see the point of us continuing.
Really? You'd deny your Repentia the chance to reclaim their... what exactly do Repentia try to reclaim through suicidal charges with melee weapons? ...through death in battle, just because it's pointless?
Haight wrote: I play until the game is finished. I get annoyed when i'm winning and someone just throws in the towel. For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit.
Secondly, it reeks of sour grapes. Yeah yeah, I get the whole "i play to have fun and getting beaten isn't fun" - i call shenanigans. Some of the most fun games i've had i've gotten my butt handed to me. It's also good sportsmanship.
So yeah, i'll carry on. The only way i'll walk from a game is if i'm playing someone new and they are a mega donkey-cave. I've done it all of one time in my life.
"For one, it robs me of actually winning the game - i didn't win, you just quit. " Really? You crushed me so solidly that I had no more options. You won.
I don't understand people that has the need to crush you down to your last man to feel like they won. I conceded, you won.
I'll keep playing so long as I have a chance if I roll 7 sixes in a row. But when I'm sitting there with 3 repentias left and a rhino on the other end of the table from the fighting, and my enemy still has 2 riptides and 3 units of firewarriors, I just don't see the point of us continuing.
Really? You'd deny your Repentia the chance to reclaim their... what exactly do Repentia try to reclaim through suicidal charges with melee weapons? ...through death in battle, just because it's pointless?
Makumba wrote: But repentia have no honor . They are resin or metal models . Or am I missing some rule here you get VP if they die or something?
No, it was a comment on their fluff. Repentias have messed up, and the stupid kind of suicidal warfare they wage is to make up for it. And they're metal only.
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Makumba wrote: But repentia have no honor . They are resin or metal models . Or am I missing some rule here you get VP if they die or something?
It's a fluff thing. Repentia are dishonored Sisters of Battle who try to reclaim their honor through glorious battle with no armor and giant chainswords that can cut a Land Raider to shreds. Usually they end up dead, but rarely they return to the regular ranks of Battle Sisters without having died.