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So as it says, I realize this is an "elite of the elites" kind of army, I fully expect to be outnumbered and probably outgunned but would the sons of Sanguinius want an easy fight?
Anyways here it is:

Dante

x3 Sanguinary Priests w/ Jump Packs

x5 Sanguinary Guard, x5 Inferno Pistols, x4 Glaives/x1 Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guard, x3 Inferno Pistols, x2 Angelus Boltguns, x4 Glaives/x1 Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guard, x3 Inferno Pistols, x2 Angelus Boltguns, x4 Glaives/x1 Fist

This comes to 1170pts out of 1250pts. Am I on the right track? I think this would be a good starting place fo larger games, but what do I need to make this....not competitive, so much as playable with a chance? Lol

I appreciate the feedback!
-CotW

If looking for Sanguinary Guard army, you're definitely on the right track. This army does, however, have a huge problem with model count (duh!). Priests will help a little but still it's going to be a tough game. I recommend taking some Inferno Pistols/Power Fists off. 3 in each squad is a bit overkill since Dante's squad will deal the toughest tank by itself.

And every squad doesn't need Priest if you play them together. One with Dante and one with rest of them, trying to keep the both squads under the FnP bubble.


Just remember to be careful, use your opportuinites and most importantly, hug that cover like your mother on her birthday!!!


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Dante

x2 Sanguinary Priests w/ Jump Packs
(one with Melta Bombs)

x5 Sanguinary Guards, x3 Inferno Pistols, Power Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guards, Power Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guards, Power Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guards, Power Fist

= 1250

This is what I'd consider but if you don't have the extra five models, your list will do.

 soomemafia wrote:

Dante

x2 Sanguinary Priests w/ Jump Packs
(one with Melta Bombs)

x5 Sanguinary Guards, x3 Inferno Pistols, Power Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guards, Power Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guards, Power Fist
x5 Sanguinary Guards, Power Fist

= 1250

This is a great list for 1,250. I would take all power axes on one unit for dedicated AP2, though. You really want at least 20 2+ save bodies at this points level.

I've been playing Sanguinary Guard lists for a while, and there is definitely a steep learning curve. I got tabled my first 4 games, lol.

Thanks for the reply!
I thought maybe I was going a little crazy with the wargear haha
Funny to think dropping a bit of that and a priest would net me another squad lol

I guess this is more for the tactics side, but what are some good ways to go with this kind of army as far as objectiv based games go?
One defensive squad, two offensive-go-get-'em squads and the last with Dante deepstrikes at a scary "needs four close range melta shots in the face" target?

What other suggestions or tactics are there?
Thanks!
-CotW

Yeh defo drop the inferno pistols on all sang guard units but the dante bomb as you have to charge what you shoot anyway, and if within 3" melta range you will definitely be getting that powerfist stuck into tanks on the charge. Soomemafia also makes a good point about the priests. If going for 1.5k get a raven for AA with 50pts to spare.


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Don't go defensive. Place your objectives midtable or on either side of the opponents deployment to trick him to spread out so you can take out one part of his army at a time.

Yeah definitely do not play defensively. You want to be in CC as early as possible. Against some armies you may even want to start Dante's squad on the board.

When you go to higher point games, you may want to consider some sniper scouts with camo cloaks and an ADL with Quad-Gun. Cheap AA and home objective scoring.

I will always place objectives midtable with this type of force. Make the opponent come out and play

That's a lot of great feedback!

I totally understand the learning curve, I'm accustomed to playing a little more static and/or defensive armies, aside from Orks, but I know you can't run these small squads around like 30 man Boyz squads! Lol

Is there anything else tactics-wise or tricks to know?

I feel like this could be a very fun army to play as well as the modeling and painting aspects, and very satisfying to win with based on the low model count.

I've always thought about armies like deathwing or ravenwing, or even all wolf guard. This could be the one. And its relatively cheap cash-wise being that I only need four boxes lol

Thanks for the replies!
-CotW

it looks like a fun arm man, just play smart around los blocking cover, use those fnp's, and i actually think youll do preety well. make a battle report after a game to let us all know how it goes!

It does sound like a fun army, a d like I said could be really interesting for the modeling/painting aspect.

Its sort of silly, but I'm sure you guys will understand, I'm a little nervous to make the investment based on a lot of the above factors, though I've been playing 40k for 15 years and I definitely like a challenge.

Does anyone know of any bat reps with this style army I could check out?
Thanks!
-CotW

Hmm. I don't, but I'd search for "sanguinary guard" batrep.

Also, I'd try proxying a few games. The problem is it will take some practice and playing with what to deepstrike, what to keep on table, etc.

So going up in points levels, adding in 1 or 2 Storm Ravens sounds like fun, maybe 3? Lol
I had considered a trio of Whirlwinds to sit in the corner and drop pie plates until the winged wonders get into position, but I'm sure there are better ideas lol

Thanks!
-CotW

idk, id go for whirlwinds, theyre real powerful this edition. my last game my firend took out a bunch of dc with one, and id go ahead and buy it. itll be a hoot

Problem with a BA whirlwind is that you are paying for fast on a tank that will never need it. Try vindis or flamestorm baals to take heavy weapons fire off the guard. Flamestrom baals have great synergy with sang guard.


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Plus baals are in the very rarely used otherwise fa slot.

Flamestorms or Vindi's could be a lot of fun too! Good suggestions!

Hey any opinions on how many axes to go with in each of those squads or just go all swords plus one fist per squad?

Thanks everyone!
-CotW

I go 2:2:1 sword:axe:fist, unless i run 2 fists, then its 2:1:2. Another good idea if facing lots of teq is 0:4:1.

Something else I've been thinking about is how does this kind of army stack up against its equivalents in other chapters?
I poked at some lists for deathwing (great saves, good range on guns but kinda slow if you don't deep strike or roll in land raiders), ravenwing ( good saves, good firepower, better toughness and maybe even more mobile but way more $$ expensive to fill 1250pts) or even grey knights (this list was crazy, one librarian, six paladins and two squads of five terminators with all upgrades said and done was 1250 haha).
I almost hate to ask, but as far as cash and low body count goes it Dante and the Sanguinary Guard are most efficient. It couldn't be because they aren't as good as these other elite style lists could it? I hate to think it, but because this game isn't cheap, it is something to consider before jumping into gold winged armor lol

Any thoughts on that?
-CotW

They really suffer due to no invuln. Pretty useless against some armies, such as eldar - weight of fire AND all that rending just shreds them. Orks and nids - just cant deal with that many bodies.
Take them with tank support. This is why I say flamestorm baals have good synergy with them. 1.) The baals distract heavy firepower away from the guard. 2.) They help massively thin out horde. 3.) They can be used to give cover to the guard. 4.) Running alongside the guard means the guard can protect them from assault. 5.) Anyone who wants to get in melta range even for a multimelta needs to get in the guards charge range.
And lastly - scout on an av13 tank with a st 6 ap 3 flamer and 2 st 5 ap 4 flamers or heavy bolters is very nice!

So they lack the invuln of deathwing and grey knights, the T5 and jink of ravenwing. But they come pretty well kitted out without any upgrades. The feel no pain bubble from the priest can supplement the lack of invulnerable save but only to a certain degree.its not that I don't want to jump into the idea, because I like the concept of the army very fast moving pretty hard heading and relatively resilient.it's been a pretty fruitless search trying to find anything as far as battle reports to see these guys in action, if there's any popularity to this theme of Army no its recording how good / bad it does on the table top.

I guess what I'm curious about is, despite the learning curve involved with such a small model count army, I guess I need to find out if it's worth the investment. I'm not opposed to a challenge or taking a chance on something new,I guess it's a hard question to answer without actually playing it.

so I guess if any of you guys have any more feedback if there is anything else to say about it I'd be curious to hear it.

thanks for all the feedback so far!
-CotW

Oh one more thing...
They have nipples.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Oh one more thing...
They have nipples.

Yup, this settles it.

There's a factor I hadn't considered......lol

When using this army. Deep strike some. Remeber DO NOT go toe to toe with the enemy army. Concentrate your forces on one piece of the army (deep striking comes into play) (recommend giving some sang guard inferno/plasma pistols) this way you maximize your power on one section of the enemy line while decreasing his potential power. This works very well vs slow or static armies.


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Also. In this army the chapter banner is a must take. For the army force multiplier it gives.

I know the potential power of packing in some plasma pistols, but I had thought losing some of my already too few models to Gets Hot burns wouldnt be useful....even with the FnP bubble from the Priests. I'm not opposed to trying it out, maybe a squad of primarily plasma armed Sang Guard accompanied by a Prescience Librarian to keep casualties low. That could make a good 2+/low AV hunting squad. ..

personally, if I start rolling double ones in a row. I know its going to be a baaad night. you must roll a 1 to hit (hey, prescience helps here) a 1 on your save, and THEN fail a 5+. (inferno do not get hot but are only 6") and always remember, focus your power on a section of the enemy army, don't let him bring his full might to bear until you have lowered it.