GW's digital advent releases : day 25 : Cypher audio and rules p22

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**warboss**

It's the same... but different... basically tweaked but with more missions. There is a bit more info over on BOLS uncharacteristically quickly in the article via pics and the comments. If anyone gets this, can you check to see if the FW rules/units and expansions are specifically disallowed like in the Kill Team free event rules posted above?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/12/40k-kill-team-returns.html

Spoiler:

6 missions using the same general rules:

4x4 Battlefield

All models operate independently--ICs can't attach either.

Reserves rule is not used unless a result of rolling a 1 on Leader Trait. Models cannot enter Ongoing Reserve, ever. If only able to be deployed via Deep Strike, deploy them normally.

All units (including vehicles) score unless specifically stated otherwise (Death Company etc.)

Brotherhood of Psykers special rule has no effect.

If, at the start of your turn, you've lost more than half of your models, your force is BROKEN! From that point on, each of your models must make a Break test (LD test) at the start of your Movement Phase, including the turn they were Broken. Starting with your Leader, you take LD tests. If they fail they flee. Vehicles and Fearless ignore this. ATSKNF re-roll this test.

Your Leader has a Command range of 6" (or 12" if he rolls a 4 for his Leader Trait). If he passes his Break test, all friendly models within this range auto pass theirs.

Kill Team Detachment

200 pts from a single Codex or Supplement. Squads are chosen as normal (ie you can't just buy a single Tac Marine)

0-2 Troops
0-1 Elites
0-1 Fast

Must include at least four non-vehicle models. One of these must be your Leader and three must be Specialists.

No models with more than 3 Wounds or Hull Points.

No Flyers.

No 2+ saves.

No vehicles with a combined AV of more than 33.

Leader is automatically character with highest LD. If no characters, Leader is automatically model with highest LD. If several are tied, you choose. Beasts and Swarms cannot be your Leader. If the leader is not already a Character--he (or she) becomes one.
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Leader Traits Table

1 D3+2 non-vehicle models of your choice have Outflank.
2 Sieze on a 4+.
3 Gain +1 VP if your Ldr slays the enemy Ldr in challenge
4 Leader's Command Range is increased to 12" (from 6")
5 Leader can select a Special Rule from one of the categories--but may not be the same category as any other Specialist
6 Leader has Zealot

Specialist Types (You must take three, and you may not have duplicates. Your leader may not be a Specialist unless he rolls a 5 for his Leader Trait)

Combat Specialist allows you to take:
Counter-attack
Furious Charge
Hammer of Wrath
Hatred
Instant Death (CC only)
Rage
Rampage

Weapons Specialist
Haywire (CC only)
Ignores Cover
Master-crafted (One weapon only)
Pinning (Shooting only)
Rending (Shooting only)
Sniper
Split Fire (No LD test required)
Tank Hunter (Shooting only)

Dirty Fighter Specialist
Blind (CC only)
Concussive (CC only)
Fear
Fleshbane (CC only)
Monster Hunter
Poisoned (4+) (Shooting only)
Rending (CC only)
Shred (CC only)
Soul Blaze

Indomitable Specialist
Adamantium Will
Crusader
Eternal Warrior
Fearless
Feel No Pain
Relentless
Strikedown (CC only)
Stubborn

Guerilla Specialist
Fleet
Hit and Run
Infiltrate
Move Through Cover
Night Vision
Preferred Enemy
Scout
Stealth

EXCEPTIONS:

No Warp Storm Table.
No Champsions of Chaos special rule.
Necrons can reanimate only within 2" of another friendly Necron.
All friendly models from a DE Kill Team that have Power from Pain immediately count as having earned one Pain Token for every five enemy non-vehicle models they have killed. Necrons only count as killed after they fail a RP roll.

**Bloodwin**

There are some changes. The special abilities aren't random also no 2+ saves units. That's off the top of my head because I don't feel like going through it with a fine tooth comb. It's better value than the Dataslates but I am sure these rules will be commented upon for tournaments so they will end up free in some form or other. (bah ninja'd)

**Crimson**

This seems decent enough. Heralds of Ruin rules are obviously better, but also more involved and have a lot of changes to the standard rules. GW Kill Team is good for 40K players who just want to get a quick skirmish game going without needing to learn bunch of new rules.

**warboss**

Bloodwin wrote:
There are some changes. The special abilities aren't random also no 2+ saves units. That's off the top of my head because I don't feel like going through it with a fine tooth comb. It's better value than the Dataslates but I am sure these rules will be commented upon for tournaments so they will end up free in some form or other. (bah ninja'd)

Can you take a quick peek and see if there is a FW/expansion exclusion?

**H.B.M.C.**

It mentions that units are chosen from any Codex or Codex Supplement. That's it.

**Bronzefists42**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It mentions that units are chosen from any Codex or Codex Supplement. That's it.

Well it doesn't say you can't run Forge World stuff. So that is good.

**H.B.M.C.**

Someone just pointed out on 4chan that, as they're not even mentioned, each individual Sister model could use their own Act of Faith once per game. I guess it's sometimes good to be completely forgotten about by the people writing the rules.

Bronzefists42 wrote:
Well it doesn't say you can't run Forge World stuff. So that is good.

Well nothing ever does. I don't think running FW units would pose a problem. I mean, doing 30K Kill-Team could be interesting.

**warboss**

Bronzefists42 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It mentions that units are chosen from any Codex or Codex Supplement. That's it.

Well it doesn't say you can't run Forge World stuff. So that is good.

It also doesn't say in all likelihood that you can't use an outdated 2nd edition codex so what it *DOESN'T* say isn't very insightful unfortunately. Codex and codex supplement from HMBC's post pretty much excludes FW in my book without special permission (which I'd be fine with giving if asked in most cases).

**H.B.M.C.**

I don't think it excludes anything. I just think they didn't think about it.

**warboss**

Not including something is the same functionally as excluding it. I agree that the "intent" though is as muddled as ever with GW's "official but you don't have to and we don't either" ruleset.

**solkan**

warboss wrote:
Not including something is the same functionally as excluding it. I agree that the "intent" though is as muddled as ever with GW's "official but you don't have to and we don't either" ruleset.

So because the Kill Team rules don't mention (it doesn't include them) bolters no one can use them (because that's the same as excluding them)?

Not being mentioned isn't the same as being excluded.

**Zweischneid**

solkan wrote:
warboss wrote:
Not including something is the same functionally as excluding it. I agree that the "intent" though is as muddled as ever with GW's "official but you don't have to and we don't either" ruleset.

So because the Kill Team rules don't mention (it doesn't include them) bolters no one can use them (because that's the same as excluding them)?

Not being mentioned isn't the same as being excluded.

Well. But it does include bolters, namely when it points to Codexes. Since Codexes explain bolters (or, in turn, reference the BRB), they are included in that reference.

**Crimson**

warboss wrote:
Codex and codex supplement from HMBC's post pretty much excludes FW in my book without special permission (which I'd be fine with giving if asked in most cases).

BRB doesn't mention FW either. It is exactly the same thing.

**Lansirill**

Can we at least wait until the releases end on Christmas to have this thread devolve into a FW discussion?

The Kill Team rules are decent. Specialist options are changed a little bit as you now choose from one of 5 categories, and you can only have one specialist from each category (still max of 3) Leader traits are on a d6 instead of 2d6. The mission selection is better. Probably a bit overpriced, but that's a dead horse that doesn't need flogging.

**xxvaderxx**

solkan wrote:
warboss wrote:
Not including something is the same functionally as excluding it. I agree that the "intent" though is as muddled as ever with GW's "official but you don't have to and we don't either" ruleset.

So because the Kill Team rules don't mention (it doesn't include them) bolters no one can use them (because that's the same as excluding them)?

Not being mentioned isn't the same as being excluded.

If i tell you "you can have an apple or a banana", does that mean you can also have a "lemon"?. In Math this is defining a group by definition, if what you want is not included on that definition then it is excluded.

**reds8n**

Stick to the topic please people.

**catharsix**

Brometheus wrote:
Just get the Kill Team pack

Dont waste your money

Thanks for letting us know. This is the first thing that I even contemplated buying, as I have always thought Kill Team games were a great idea. Figures GW would bungle it in their shameless advent cash grab though.

-C6

**Brometheus**

catharsix, of course that's just my opinion.

I hate to see someone spend 10 bucks on something that you could just make up yourself (or just use what's on the site).

**Slayer le boucher**

I don't really get how Kill teams works...

is it that you take minimum units from Elite, troops and AR for a max of 200pts?

Or is it that you take an individual model, from each, like 1 Chosen model, 2 CSM models and one Biker model or Raptor?

**Goatmoerser**

Nah, you just spend the 200 Points like you're always doing. You're still bound to the regular limits (size) of the specific units though. Let's say you would go for Khorne Berzerkers as they are 1 elite choice and therefore fit the bill. Choosing 8 of them leaves some points to spend on nice equipment and pleases the Blood God. The thing is each and every model acts independently during the game itself. So they're all able to move where you want them to and shoot/fight different models.
If you like, click on my signature. You'll find a short battlereport of a Kill Team match we had recently.

I personally bought the new rules and will check them out asap! The first read was promising.

**fixxxer76**

I have a problem with this being a digital download add on , and costing $12.99. At this rate, maybe for the next edition the rules for terrain , tanks, walkers, challenges. etc,... will also be digital downloads.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

So now, in Kill Team, each and every sister model must do a separate Ld test to pass an Act of Faith, and may try to do so only once per game ?
Do rules like scout still work ?

**Kroothawk**

Can you now have super heavies, D weapons, and Apocalypse formations in Kill team? Wouldn't surprise me at all.

**reds8n**

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**Bull0**

fixxxer76 wrote:
I have a problem with this being a digital download add on , and costing $12.99. At this rate, maybe for the next edition the rules for terrain , tanks, walkers, challenges. etc,... will also be digital downloads.

Yeah, and you can also extrude that from now on all purchases will come with a punch to the mouth, and miniatures will be made out of chocolate so that you have to repeatedly replace the ones that melt and/or get eaten, etc.

Kill Team isn't part of the core rules in the way all those other things you describe are. It's always been a separate, supplementary thing. It's been monetised before when it was included (in a very throwaway form) in the Battle Missions book. Concluding from the existence of this product that in the next edition core rules will be left out and sold separately is silly.

**H.B.M.C.**

Bull0 wrote:
Kill Team isn't part of the core rules in the way all those other things you describe are. It's always been a separate, supplementary thing. It's been monetised before when it was included (in a very throwaway form) in the Battle Missions book. Concluding from the existence of this product that in the next edition core rules will be left out and sold separately is silly.

You realise the previous Kill Team rules were free and are still on the GW website yes?

**Bull0**

Yeah, they've been linked in this thread. GW have started to charge for a lot of stuff that used to be free, painting guides and the like. It doesn't affect my statement which was that Kill Team isn't part of the core rules and has been monetised in the past.

**Kroothawk**

It was part of the 4th edition core rulebook IIRC.

**Bull0**

If it was, they must've left it out of my copy. How strange.

Although, I've only got the paperback one that came with the starter box. But it's got missions and stuff in it, so I figure it'd be in there. Maybe it's in the hardback book. Even if it was (from what I can tell it wasn't) I still wouldn't consider it part of the core rules in the way that terrain or tanks are. Come on now. We're miles off topic anyway. Bad extrusion is bad. Existence of a non-precedent-setting separate Kill Team product does not reasonably lead one to conclude core rules will be standalone in future.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Bull0 wrote:
Although, I've only got the paperback one that came with the starter box.[…] Maybe it's in the hardback book.

Page 214 is «Commando» in my French hardback, which basically mean Kill Teams.