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Something different. Each assault marine squad has 6 st 9 ap 2 (unwieldy), 4 st 10 ap 2 attacks and 25 st 5 attacks on the charge, a danger to MCs as if I deny the challenge, only 1 model will be challenged out.. Specifically aimed at gunline armies with mass st 6/7/8 shots, not a TAC list. All raiders benefit from 5+ cover due to shield. Raven for AA and a little more AT if needed.

Librarian (assault marines)
Force axe
Sword, shield.

Librarian (assault marines)
Force axe
Sword, shield.

2 sanguinary priests (assault marines)
Power fists

Corbulo (termis)

5 assault termies
3 th/ss, 2 lc.
Redeemer
Multimelta

10 assault marines
2 flamers, powerfist
Redeemer
Multimelta

10 assault marines
2 flamers, powerfist
Redeemer
Multimelta

Raven
Tl multimelta, tl assault cannon.

Low model count, but 3 are raiders and 1 is a raven. All 3 core units are beasts in combat. Will it work against gunlines?


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Or would spartans with their melta immunity upgrade be better?

You have 2 footslogging librarians with 2 jump pack assault marines????

No, the assault marines are in redeemers with the librarians and priests. No one is outside vehicles.

It will do fine. Seriously, AV14 spam is great!

But I try to avoid 2 HQ's with marines, since they are not that great.

 soomemafia wrote:
It will do fine. Seriously, AV14 spam is great!

But I try to avoid 2 HQ's with marines, since they are not that great.

I disagree, the libs can both take prescience, (hello rerolls in CC) with a -chance- of forewarning. OR, they can take unleash rage (preferred enemy in assault) and sanguine shield (5+ cover save for vehicles). OR you can take mephiston. (love him, hide him behind the AV 14 and when he gets into combat he will wreck face.)


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also, I suggest putting the terminators in the raven.

^You don't need two Psykers to get a primaris power.
I'm just not sure if the -chance- for Inv is worth 100 points.

The reason I put 2 libbys in, is that for each assault squad, I can deny a challenge if I choose and still have 2 hard hitting models. If no challenge is issued I have 3 hard hitting models (going along the warhammer lines of get all those characters in the front rank of a combat to curb stomp that particular combat) Presience would be a good shout, and pretty much any other divination power, but then I lose sword (still - could be worth it). I could drop a libby, but then I pay points for a unit instead that will not be av 14 and so will give my opponent something worth shooting.

consider swapping a redeemer for a crusader

I would be bombing forward and be close and personal asap, so the flamestorms should get a lot of use. I know I will probably only be firing one at a time (potms will be on the mm most likely), but I like a tl st 6 ap 3 auto hitting, ignores cover template as opposed to 12 tl st 4 ap 5 shots.
The crusader will however give more flexibility at distance after the squads have jumped out.

I was just suggesting swapping one out, and keep the others the same. also, give the raven a hurricane bolter. they work well for me usually


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I also disagree with giving your sgts power fists. I prefer mauls or axes. consider a chapter banner

No unit which can take a chapter banner. The fists are there to max the st 9 and 10 attacks. If they take a power weapon and I deny a challenge against an mc for example, the opponent will just deny the remaining power fist or the st10 librarian, so only one model can reliably harm the mc. However if I have 2 fists, and I dont accept a challenge, I will have 2 models which can still screw up an mc. Hurricanes are good but I dont have the points.

How often do you play vs MCs? Also consider taking sang guard over the terminators. This gives you a chapter banner and allows sweeping. This and more attacks! (Army wide most likely) with the option of some power fists.

But the idea is to have all units inside av 14 to prevent the opponent having something worth shooting. By having sang guard it negates the advantage I gave myself by spamming av14. Mcs are big in the meta - tau, eldar, nids, deamons. Id rather just pay the extra 10pts for x2 st rather than +1 st.

you can put your sang guard in a raider... and give them power fists tho O.o.


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also remember you always add 1 str extra on the charge

IMO, the +1 attack for your whole army (with proper positioning) is worth the bit o extra points (even if you lose invulns :( )

Not a bad shout. But the problem would be, how would I get that 3rd raider since they are dedicated trnsports and sang guard cant take them? And what would happen to corbulo? Surely I would be wasting the points spent on the sang guards jps.... although they can sweep....


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The benefit of the standard might also cause me to funnel the raiders into one spot rather than think of them as self sufficient units.

BA LR are all dedicated transports. you can BUY the LR for them. even if you can't start them in it, place your LRs as a wall and then embark them your first turn. OR, you can kit out a Honor guard squad (yay free priest) w/ power weapons/fists a banner and get the LR as a DT.

An HG instead of termis and corbulo is a good idea! Saves a lot of points.

 raiden wrote:
you can put your sang guard in a raider... and give them power fists tho O.o.


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also remember you always add 1 str extra on the charge

IMO, the +1 attack for your whole army (with proper positioning) is worth the bit o extra points (even if you lose invulns :( )

Umm jump packs can't go in land raiders.

hmm, indeed? is that a special rule to jumppacks? I rarely use LRs bar for DC so I have never really looked into that. in that case I recommend a unit of honor guard w/ power weapons/fists and the banner. this also frees up some points if I calculate correctly.

(terminators vs gunlines are over kill, eldar don't do gunlines, if you are worred about MCs, your not worried about gunlines. shooty armies are not inherently gunlines. that being said, all gunlines are shooty armies. lol.


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this also lets you drop a sang priest or corbulo as the HG come built in with one.

Yeh I thought that may have been the case but then I thought maybe Id never seen it happen because jp in a landraider would usually be considered a waste. In fact, instead of HG I can run DC, I wont get the banner but it will provide me with twice as many bodies in that raider. Tau run gunlines with mcs as do some eldar builds. Powerfists are also extremely useful against tank lines compared to a power axe. The mcs were only an example. The powerfists are also mc cover not a focus of the army.

Just food for thought .... I play tri-raider DA atm (at 1500 points+), the more you field the better they are (although you can't dakka banner with BA)

Librarian (Terminator Armor, Force Axe & Storm Shield) – 145

Terminator Assault Squad (Terminator Sergeant, 4 Terminators, 3 Thunderhammers & Storm Shields, 2 Lighting Claws) – 215

Assault Squad (Sergeant with a Power Axe & Melta Bombs, 9 Space Marines, 2 Flamers) – 130
Assault Squad (Sergeant with a Power Axe & Melta Bombs, 9 Space Marines, 2 Flamers) – 130
Assault Squad (Sergeant with a Power Axe & Melta Bombs, 9 Space Marines, 2 Flamers) – 130
Land Raider Redeemer (Multi-Melta) – 250
Land Raider Crusader (Multi-Melta) – 260
Land Raider Crusader (Multi-Melta) – 260

Baal Predator (Twin-Linked Assault Cannon & Heavy Flamer Sponsors) – 140
Baal Predator (Twin-Linked Assault Cannon & Heavy Flamer Sponsors) – 140

Stormraven Gunship (Twin-Linked Multi-Melta & Twin-Linked Assault Cannon) – 200

= 2000

cut down the expensive deathstar to a 5 man assault tda with one libby - swapped out the power fists on the sgts to power axes& melta bombs.... but in it's place you get a third land raider unit & 2 baal preds - running a armor heavy the baals could be pretty useful



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the one redeemer is in there because of points (couldn't cut 10 anywhere else) .... I prefer the crusader variant from experience - running the redeemer shielding baals for close up heavy flamers / flamestorm could be pretty brutal against some opponents.

An assault squad with power axe, melta bombs, 2 flamers and sergeant with 9 marines costs 220pts. Even if you apply the 35point transport deduction to them rather than the transport they still come in at 185pts not 130pts. So the list would be 165pts over.
You have gone for numbers, having 4 assault units rather than 3, deploying from raiders and a raven, whereas I have gone for 3 hard hitting units deploying from 3 raiders. When one of my assault squads assaults, it will have 4 st10 ap2 attacks, 6 st9 ap2 attacks and 25 st5 attacks. A normal assault squad will instead have 4 st5 ap2 attacks and 25 st 5 attacks. Its a big difference. Quantity and quality, both have their advantages.