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2013/12/04 06:22:19
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
daedalus wrote: If he had only been armed, this would have never happened.
^ I don't even know what side that's arguing for in this context.
It's arguing that a member of the public who was legally allowed to carry a weapon shot a criminal rather than a criminal shooting an innocent member of the public.
I drove past a place today where a few years back a man had been gunned down while at work having cooperated with a criminal. There's no guarantee that a criminal with a gun is going to let you live if you cooperate, a lot of them are on drugs to begin with.
2013/12/04 10:49:58
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Mr. Burning wrote: A family member, with a microphone shoved in their face just after a death? I can kind of dig what she is saying in that context.
The family asked the interview not to be put out for broadcast. I guess Fox 10 didn't want a more reasoned and rational response.
No one died.
Over here in our corner of the Communist Paradise of Europe, we had a case where a robber armed with a shotgun tried to rob a family restaurant. The owner and his son in law put up a fight and managed to disarm and apprehend the robber. During the fight, the restaurant owner received a gunshot wound in the leg and the robber was a bit banged up by virtue of being repeatedly hit by punches and kicks. The robber then sued the restaurant owner and his family for assault claiming that they had used excessive force to apprehend him!
(they where found not guilty, thankfully)
2013/12/04 12:27:12
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Mr. Burning wrote: A family member, with a microphone shoved in their face just after a death? I can kind of dig what she is saying in that context.
The family asked the interview not to be put out for broadcast. I guess Fox 10 didn't want a more reasoned and rational response.
I think the parents made that request (and we don't hear them), and the voice we heard is an unidentified family member via a phone interview (no microphone shoved in her face).
The good news is, the perp, once his bond is revoked, will be able to get the help his family believes he needs yet did not provide.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2013/12/04 12:30:29
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
So the lady defending the suspect can comment at length that the customer who intervened should have just walked away and left the employees at gun point. But she can't talk about the suspect because she is only hearing things second hand.....
2013/12/04 14:02:27
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Never underestimate the power of parents to look past what their kids do. We had a rape near here and the suspect's parents said "That hoochy shouldnt have been drunk" That man did the right thing, saved peoples lives from some idiot. I just dont like the mom saying "The gun wasnt pointed at him. He should have walked away" Do I even need to say what is wrong with that statement? Also, a Dollar Store? C'mon kid. That is just pathetic.
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2013/12/04 14:22:55
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Ahahaha. That's rich. He should have minded his own business? Right lady, maybe ol'scum for brains there shouldn't have pulled a gun on a Quickie Mart clerk instead? If he'd just stayed home and minded his own business he wouldn't be nursing a bullet wound right now.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
This is a perfect example of why it is important to allow people to carry. I'm sure some crazy liberals will twist this story around, but it is what it is. Hats off to the good Samaritan.
Good Samaritan is an idiot IMO. If he wanted to use his gun-powers for good, then he should join the police force. What he did put himself and everybody else at more risk by making a bad situation even more volatile.
I carry to protect me, myself, and mine. I don't carry to be a vigilante and stop crime wherever I see it. Unless I am directly being threatened and in harms way, there is no conceivable reason to draw and try to get the drop on a bad guy robbing a place. Stay low, don't draw attention to yourself, let the bad guy get his money and leave. If there is no mediate threat to me there is no reason whatsoever to draw. Instead of a robbery with a gun pointed at somebody you now have a shootout with one or two (or maybe more if he has buddies outside) people discharging weapons in the store.
I carry to protect my life and the lives of my family. I don't carry to protect your money.
But I'm a crazy liberal I guess.
2013/12/04 15:24:53
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
d-usa wrote: Good Samaritan is an idiot IMO. If he wanted to use his gun-powers for good, then he should join the police force. What he did put himself and everybody else at more risk by making a bad situation even more volatile.
I'll note that the police on the scene did a great job of protecting the shop employees.
Oh wait....
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2013/12/04 15:26:36
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
d-usa wrote: Good Samaritan is an idiot IMO. If he wanted to use his gun-powers for good, then he should join the police force. What he did put himself and everybody else at more risk by making a bad situation even more volatile.
I carry to protect me, myself, and mine. I don't carry to be a vigilante and stop crime wherever I see it. Unless I am directly being threatened and in harms way, there is no conceivable reason to draw and try to get the drop on a bad guy robbing a place. Stay low, don't draw attention to yourself, let the bad guy get his money and leave. If there is no mediate threat to me there is no reason whatsoever to draw. Instead of a robbery with a gun pointed at somebody you now have a shootout with one or two (or maybe more if he has buddies outside) people discharging weapons in the store.
I carry to protect my life and the lives of my family. I don't carry to protect your money.
But I'm a crazy liberal I guess.
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2013/12/04 15:27:23
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
d-usa wrote: Good Samaritan is an idiot IMO. If he wanted to use his gun-powers for good, then he should join the police force. What he did put himself and everybody else at more risk by making a bad situation even more volatile.
I'll note that the police on the scene did a great job of protecting the shop employees.
Oh wait....
Way to completely miss the point, but that can be expected.
2013/12/04 15:34:05
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
d-usa wrote: Good Samaritan is an idiot IMO. If he wanted to use his gun-powers for good, then he should join the police force. What he did put himself and everybody else at more risk by making a bad situation even more volatile.
I carry to protect me, myself, and mine. I don't carry to be a vigilante and stop crime wherever I see it. Unless I am directly being threatened and in harms way, there is no conceivable reason to draw and try to get the drop on a bad guy robbing a place. Stay low, don't draw attention to yourself, let the bad guy get his money and leave. If there is no mediate threat to me there is no reason whatsoever to draw. Instead of a robbery with a gun pointed at somebody you now have a shootout with one or two (or maybe more if he has buddies outside) people discharging weapons in the store.
I carry to protect my life and the lives of my family. I don't carry to protect your money.
But I'm a crazy liberal I guess.
Who said anything about protecting the money? Robberies like these have escalated into homicides, even when the employees have been compliant. It is true that he had absolutely no obligation to intervene, but I'm glad that he did. So are the employees that were being held at gun point.
2013/12/04 15:36:40
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
d-usa wrote: Good Samaritan is an idiot IMO. If he wanted to use his gun-powers for good, then he should join the police force. What he did put himself and everybody else at more risk by making a bad situation even more volatile.
I carry to protect me, myself, and mine. I don't carry to be a vigilante and stop crime wherever I see it. Unless I am directly being threatened and in harms way, there is no conceivable reason to draw and try to get the drop on a bad guy robbing a place. Stay low, don't draw attention to yourself, let the bad guy get his money and leave. If there is no mediate threat to me there is no reason whatsoever to draw. Instead of a robbery with a gun pointed at somebody you now have a shootout with one or two (or maybe more if he has buddies outside) people discharging weapons in the store.
I carry to protect my life and the lives of my family. I don't carry to protect your money.
But I'm a crazy liberal I guess.
Who said anything about protecting the money? Robberies like these have escalated into homicides, even when the employees have been compliant. It is true that he had absolutely no obligation to intervene, but I'm glad that he did. So are the employees that were being held at gun point.
Robberies escalating into homicides is actually not as common as you think.
2013/12/04 15:41:57
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Eh I'd rather see a shot perp then anything else no matter who's shooting him. Being able to use force to defend the lives of others is just part of being a reasonable human being.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Kanluwen wrote: Robberies escalating into homicides is actually not as common as you think.
Seeing as I gave no statistical breakdown I'm curious as to how you arrived at your statement. But just out of curiosity I thought I would look at Google. All from the first page, and all within less than three months. The other results being a few Police Department links, and one about the MA kid who murdered and raped his teacher (robbery because he took her underwear).
Nonsense. You should always trust to the benevolence of a poor victim of the oppressive system who's been forced to hold people at gunpoint during the commission of a crime. He means you no harm.
2013/12/04 15:54:04
Subject: Re:Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Seaward wrote: Nonsense. You should always trust to the benevolence of a poor victim of the oppressive system who's been forced to hold people at gunpoint during the commission of a crime. He means you no harm.
I'm sure that he just had it for his own protection from the un-armed employees.
2013/12/04 15:54:28
Subject: Good samaritan stops armed gunman, gunmans parents have interesting things to say about this.
Kanluwen wrote: Robberies escalating into homicides is actually not as common as you think.
Seeing as I gave no statistical breakdown I'm curious as to how you arrived at your statement. But just out of curiosity I thought I would look at Google. All from the first page, and all within less than three months. The other results being a few Police Department links, and one about the MA kid who murdered and raped his teacher (robbery because he took her underwear).
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