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Seeing a model I want to use as an alternate to an official model got me thinking - what other alternate manufacturer models have you found?

Personally, I've never been a fan of the official Ahl Fassed, but I have toyed with the idea of using one, since it's a fairly cheap ARM 4 HI potentially with a HMG. The official model though just doesn't look very good, and certainly doesn't represent an ARM 4 HI. So I've been considering grabbing these when Hasslefree release them.



I know that it's a bit of a fluff departure - Fassed aren't meant to show their face, but these are simply far too good to not use, and replace a model I'm not a huge fan of. A few quick snips with the clippers will lose the guns, and I can throw some Haqqislam guns on them for consistency. The angular armour fits the Haqqislam look, and the domed helmet fits as well with some of the smoother remotes and Maghariba.

Who else has found some nice alternete models?

Hasslefree are a good source of alternates for Ariadna, and Haqq. Probably also nomads.

And they give you candy.

I used Hasslefree modern warriors as HUnzakut and Ghazi Muttawi'ah.

Haven't seen this, tho, I'll definitely grab it as Sekban/Heavy replacements/proxies.

Plus, the guns are usually another piece, so you wouldn't have much to snip.

Is there a way to order those extra weapon sprues from the Spec-Ops?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Is there a way to order those extra weapon sprues from the Spec-Ops?

Pretty much get a lucky order from Shae.

Depending on how their models look, seriously considering using the new Aliens models as Combined Army Pretas

The Vanguard from Sedition Wars fit pretty well with their hi-tech armor and weaponry. Strain wouldn't be too far off as Combined stuff.

Mantic's Enforcers are also pretty good, although a bit tall.

Some of the Dream Pod 9 stuff works great as stand-ins for drones and pal-bots.

If Relic Knights ever actually ships and hits retail one of the factions is great for Ariadna.

And of course the MERCS minis, especially the CCC and the Keizei

LOTS of stuff from the Heroclix lines, although they're gonna be about a head taller. Much of that stuff isn't sculpted all too well, but some of those figures look great with a new coat of paint and there's a ton of different power armored heroes and goons and henchmen and such

AT-43 had some great vehicles and a few troops, the Fire Toads make awesome low tech walker/TAGs

And the best scource of not-infinity models is Antenocitis Workshop GOT line.

Five mantic enforcers as bagh-mari (and no, that doesn't have much to do with the original models anymore but I needed a full link and they look pretty good ).
SW vanguard for either fusiliers or regulars depending on need, with some of the other SW models serving as a doc, an engineer and a kamau hacker, with a hexa sniper coming up and something spec-ops-ish following shortly after.
Will be using Prodos Aliens as CA Pretas as well (currently using a boatload of SW bonecrabs).
Thinking of using SW Vanguard as auxilia instead, with the mini-drones as auxbots, if I ever want to play a truly AUX-heavy list

I fully blame Infinity for completely turning me on to proxying. Now that I embrace it, I can't bring myself to enjoy GW's offerings. The minis seem crude and uselessly laden with details.

Yeah, right. Why would anyone want to use the crappy models CB is producing?
Replacing a model that one personally dislikes or using a third party miniature to fill a gap in CB's releases is perfectly fine, but creating an army of sedition wars proxies instead of using the actual models seems pretty pointless. But alas, to each his own.

Well, aren't we missing the point here.

And really, look at the PanO doc, engineer and fusiliers (and kamau hacker as well, tbh) and tell me those old models are actually good - you'd be in the minority on that.

CB has plenty of good models, but there's a *lot* of duds in the range still.

How am I missing the point? Seriously, I'm not for internet drama and have no interest in starting a long discussion about an insignificant disagreement, but I'm really curious to know.

I agree that some of the models look dated especially in direct comparison to the newest sculpts and there are some real duds as you say, but which ones those are is a matter of taste I guess.
Minority or not I believe that the largest part of the goofyness that some of those old models emanate can be ascribed to the dated paintjobs.
They are too colorful, too flat and don't have any atmosphere.
If Angel were to paint some of those old sculpts with his current skillset and style, they would get much more love.
I've seen the doc and the fusiliers in well painted iterations and could hold little against them.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Well, aren't we missing the point here.

And really, look at the PanO doc, engineer and fusiliers (and kamau hacker as well, tbh) and tell me those old models are actually good - you'd be in the minority on that.

CB has plenty of good models, but there's a *lot* of duds in the range still.

Gotta agree that some of the older models are a little dated in terms of sculpting quality. The reason I chose bakunin is because I hated the old alguacil sculpts (i.e. the 'big head and no elbows or knees' style ones), but the new corregidor stuff is awesome sauce.

Seriously, compare the new alguacile hacker in the corregidor box to the old scults from the vanilla nomad box and you'll see what I mean.

 Baiyuan wrote:
How am I missing the point? Seriously, I'm not for internet drama and have no interest in starting a long discussion about an insignificant disagreement, but I'm really curious to know.

I agree that some of the models look dated especially in direct comparison to the newest sculpts and there are some real duds as you say, but which ones those are is a matter of taste I guess.
Minority or not I believe that the largest part of the goofyness that some of those old models emanate can be ascribed to the dated paintjobs.
They are too colorful, too flat and don't have any atmosphere.
If Angel were to paint some of those old sculpts with his current skillset and style, they would get much more love.
I've seen the doc and the fusiliers in well painted iterations and could hold little against them.

Oh no, those PanO doc/eng and kamau really aren't all that good. In either case, a lot of the SW characters are actually quite good - certainly *better* than those.
Missing the point? well, a lot of us like the game more than the models (and a heck of a lot of even the technically good sculpts are, let's say, a matter of taste aesthetically...).
Calling an army of good, recognizable proxies "pointless" as you did is annoying to say the least; most players using original models only haven't put half the work into their armies as I have into my 35% proxy army, and it shows. This often goes for proxy heavy vs. bog-standard model forces. Having some idiot come blathering how proxies are bad, while it's exactly the 100% CB forces being only half-painted or barely 3-colour standard all over the place damn well can get on my nerves a bit.

Ok... I really didn't mean it that way. What i meant was that with CB, I realised what good minis were out there and how I wanted to taste a bit of everything and use aesthetics as my guide rather than orthodoxy.

I love making conversions, they're the spice of gaming, for me. And for the record, I love the Trauma-Doc. Painted her as a redhead, and I think she looks suitably sultry.

I looked at the SW store, is it me or is there not a lot on offer yet? Or at all?

Most of the really useful character models were KS limited models included in the biohazard pledge (most of the $10 models turned out horrible). Short version: not ever going to be available separately.
...Cheap enough on ebay though, with the way the game folded.

I missed the whole debacle, apparently. I wasn't aware that Kickstarter was a phenomenon until Dreamforge.

 Baiyuan wrote:
Yeah, right. Why would anyone want to use the crappy models CB is producing?
Replacing a model that one personally dislikes or using a third party miniature to fill a gap in CB's releases is perfectly fine, but creating an army of sedition wars proxies instead of using the actual models seems pretty pointless. But alas, to each his own.

CB make great models. there is no reason to not use them.

that said, i put in an order to hasslefree recently for some stuff, and have been hugely impressed with the quality of their models. and the free stuff they send. and the sweets they sent! I'm planning on picking up the entire modern soldiers range as the sculpts are just beautiful, in my mind.

And i'll be honest with you - i'm not just gonna buy them to paint them. i want to use them too. Infinity offers a great opportunity for that.

Could i wait for CB to fill that gap? Sure. Doesnt mean i cant have other stuff in play at the same time, even when their stuff is released, especially when what Hasslefree produce is just so damned good

 Baiyuan wrote:
How am I missing the point? Seriously, I'm not for internet drama and have no interest in starting a long discussion about an insignificant disagreement, but I'm really curious to know.

I agree that some of the models look dated especially in direct comparison to the newest sculpts and there are some real duds as you say, but which ones those are is a matter of taste I guess.
Minority or not I believe that the largest part of the goofyness that some of those old models emanate can be ascribed to the dated paintjobs.
They are too colorful, too flat and don't have any atmosphere.
If Angel were to paint some of those old sculpts with his current skillset and style, they would get much more love.
I've seen the doc and the fusiliers in well painted iterations and could hold little against them.

In the same way that some people completely replace the models in a 40k army to create a theme, there's no reason it can't be done in Infinity, regardless of the quality sculpts done by CB.

Personally, I toyed with the idea of using Predators as Morats for a while, but canned the idea due to lack of available models. This might be rectified by Prodos, depending on how many they release. I toyed with this idea because I loved the idea of a Predator hunting group, and saw Infinity as a great game to use for that purpose, and Morats were an okay fit. No TO camo, but plenty of rock hard alien infantry good at shooting and close combat. Another way is as a Authorised Bounty Hunter in a non-sectorial. Or as a 12xp spec op in an ITS game, which has scope for TO camo and other toys.

Indeed, I freaking ADORE about 90% of the Infinity models. The sculpting quality is so good I've often likened them to a sci-fi version of what Rackham did with fantasy miniatures back around 2003.

But there's TONS of great sci-fi miniatures out there, and Infinity as a ruleset works great for a lot of them. I have a force of repainted Star Wars minis that work amazingly well in Infinity, using PanO as Empire (with a few cross factions, Achilles makes a fantastic Jedi/Sith) and Ariadna Rebels. This is somehow "doing it wrong" by traditional GW and Privateer Press mindset where models must match the rules in their game system, but I find you care less about such strict tournament regulations than I used to.

They're your toys, play with em how ya want. Use whatever you think looks cool.

Makes me think, I do wish there was an Infinity section of "malcontents." Especially in this future of alien invasion and corporate misdeeds (hrm, I mean, making profitable business decisions), It'd be fun to use a little mix of different forces or an agitator from another force.

Or even an 0-12 force.

Cue everyone telling me it's in this and that supplement...

O-12 is rumored for being in the book after the next one, actually.

There kind of is an "Infinity section of malcontents" in the form of the Japanese Sectorial Army. The Kempeitai are infiltrators/malcontents who are in Imperial service just to sabotage things.

It's not the same as what you are discussing, but given that Infinity is a game where basically everyone is part of a deniable covert team it's a bit difficult to get things much blacker than they are.

This is a tough one. I think a lot of it comes down to personal opinion, but what I will say is that there aren't many miniatures on the market that are as intricate (or perhaps 'delicately proportioned' is the right word) as the latest Infinity stuff.

Sedition Wars are nice - I've used some of their stuff for Civilians, the Vanguard might make nice O-12, but even they are cruder looking (and the proportions aren't quite right, if you are very picky) if you put them side by side with the Infinity minis. They also aren't quite 'busy' enough in terms of the extra little pouches, bags, bandoliers and ridiculous level of detail you get on the CB minis.

Mantic Enforcers even more so - as lovely as the miniatures are, the lack of detail and different proportions really show up next to much of the Infinity stuff.

The only other stuff I've found that comes closest in terms of proportion and looks like it might fit (not detail, but relative sizes of the body, hands and head) is Antenocitis Governance of Terra (GOT) range. I've got quite a lot of their stuff - they've got a great range of civilians, troops, security staff/police etc. Actually had people ask me what Infinity faction they are from, which I think is quite telling

http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/antenocitis/g-o-t-figures-1.html

I really love all the Infinity figures as well but I simply don't trust myself to paint them. My brother owns quite a few and let me paint a few PanO knight sergeants and I literally can't build metal figures let alone paint ones this magnificently detailed without regretting all the sharp detail I didn't catch.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Makes me think, I do wish there was an Infinity section of "malcontents." Especially in this future of alien invasion and corporate misdeeds (hrm, I mean, making profitable business decisions), It'd be fun to use a little mix of different forces or an agitator from another force.

Or even an 0-12 force.

Cue everyone telling me it's in this and that supplement...

I'm not sure what book it's in, but you can play as 'MERCs' where you get to pick any 3 factions and basically mix them together. Every Infinity Army List creator online has it but I really can't remember what book(s) the army list is in, but it's pretty much the best explanation ever for using alternates.

The rules for making a mercenary list are in the main rulebook. The online army builders won't include the options for mercenary lists as you are picking from multiple factions and the unit availabilities are different to the regular army lists. The online army builders do have specific 'Mercenary ' units available to include in your list and they are supposed to be getting their own faction at some point. But yeah, a mercenary list would be a good way to go to use models from different factions in the meantime.

Oh let me have fun with my beautiful Odalisque... yay!!!

 -Loki- wrote:
In the same way that some people completely replace the models in a 40k army to create a theme, there's no reason it can't be done in Infinity, regardless of the quality sculpts done by CB.

Assuming there is a theme and it is within the spirit of the game I'm all for it. I never said anything against that. Using a gakload of unchanged SW/Predator miniatures straight from the box imo is neither though. It's not a themed army and it breaks with the spirit of the game completely. As far as people are still entitled to their own opinion around here, I don't like that kind of lazy army.
Take your SpaceHulk box and meticulously convert every genestealer into a Giger alien and my eternal admiration will be yours.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Oh no, those PanO doc/eng and kamau really aren't all that good.

I disagree. It's a matter of taste. They are not the best in the world, but like I said one can make them work.

In either case, a lot of the SW characters are actually quite good - certainly *better* than those.

Probably and if that's the case for you and you prefer to use those, knock yourself out. To each his own, like I already said before.

Missing the point? well, a lot of us like the game more than the models

I wouldn't play a miniatures game that mostly has miniatures I don't like, so that I end up with a whole army of proxies. Maybe I'm special that way.

(and a heck of a lot of even the technically good sculpts are, let's say, a matter of taste aesthetically...).

Fair enough, most of the anime style and cheesecake elements don't appeal to me either. Nevertheless I think that making those less attractive models work is a higher achievement than replacing them completely.

Calling an army of good, recognizable proxies "pointless" as you did is annoying to say the least;

When exactly did I do that? Carefully read my statement again, I was simply stating my opinion on using large amounts of from-the-stock third party products. And unlike you I was doing it in a civil and inoffensive manner.
Admittedly I was taking your statement about using lots and lots of proxies as an example, without knowing of course what your army of proxies looks like exactly.
I stand by my point of view though:
IMO it is pointless (since you decided to get annoyed and vent it towards me, let me return the favor and add lazy, lame, uninspired and pathetic) to simply use the contents of an SW box to play Infinity with it (no matter if the proxies are recognizable).
If one doesn't like the miniatures in the game imho he should go play a different game or put some work into it to make it better within the spirit of the game.
If one is too cheap to buy the actual models and support the little company that makes the lovely game, that person is plain stupid or immature.
If none of this applies to you and you are in fact willing to support a small business that puts its everything into this great game and you are also willing to make an effort to build the best army that you can, then I obviously wasn't referring to your work.
In that case don't be annoyed and check your facts and tone. I'm calling lazy armies of proxies pointless, not elaborate hobby projects, that manage to fit into the actual spirit of the game.

most players using original models only haven't put half the work into their armies as I have into my 35% proxy army, and it shows. This often goes for proxy heavy vs. bog-standard model forces. Having some idiot come blathering how proxies are bad, while it's exactly the 100% CB forces being only half-painted or barely 3-colour standard all over the place damn well can get on my nerves a bit.

Ok, let's just assume you didn't think about your wording here very carefully and that you are in fact not addressing me anymore, but are instead trying to make a general point here. Because I'm sure a reasonable mature person, which you hopefully are, wouldn't call someone, who just made a moderate and completely inoffensive remark, a "blathering idiot".
And before you rant about bog-standard armies, three-colour-paintjobs and how people don't put as much work into their stuff as you (or other people with those glorious proxy armies) do, check who you're talking to. Have a look at my stuff. I put more time, effort, skill, dedication and love into every single of my miniatures, than most people put into their whole army.
That being said and taking into account your big mouth, I'd like to see that work of love you're talking about. You got me really curious about the meticulous conversions and devoted paintjobs you must have undertaken to make your army proxies the inspiring hobby project that it must be judging by your statement. Sadly I couldn't find any of that in your uploaded pictures.

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What would you guys suggest as a stand-in/proxy for a Lizard or Szalamander? (until CB replaces them with something less ugly)

You could look at the Anaconda or the Iguana TAGs. Both are quite nice. They would be decent stand-ins. And they are associated with the Nomads.(although the Anaconda is a Merc) They are also very recent releases.