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 Redemption wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Well aside from size. They're saying the Harpy will be the biggest flyer yet. A Carnifex with Tyrant wings wouldn't be bigger than a Valkyrie.

It'll be the biggest Flying Monstrous Creature model for sure, and the first one to come on an oval base with flying stand. But judging from the flying stand in the picture, I doubt it'll be bigger than a Valkyrie or a Heldrake - certainly not in volume.

 stonehorse wrote:
Still wondering where the 6th set of limbs are?

Tyranids only have 3 sets. In the case of the Harpy/Crone, 2 sets limbs for the wings and 1 set for the weapons, just like their smaller cousin, the Gargoyle.

And the Harridan

rollawaythestone wrote:

Yeah, right now we can hold out for changes in the Biomorphs. The Broodlord entry states that it can take all Biomorphs from the list. This means that maybe it has access to Flesh Hooks, and can thus give the unit assault grenades. Also, The Horror psychic power might be quite good. Maybe it makes the Horrored unit not be able to overwatch? Some changes that introduce some synergy like that might make Genestealers a little better.

Bit late on this one, but only MODELS with assault grenades hit at initiative. Even if the Broodlord gets them, it'll only help itself - the stealers will still be I1.

I dunno, the closer we get to the codex drop the more apprehensive I'm getting. We have no idea if they kept the things making them viable (biomancy, shadow in the warp being awesome) yet we know that several mainstays have been nerfed/deleted. I really hope the Trygon tunnels work better this time or else Tyranids will be a surprisingly slow, immobile army. Still, the Harpy/Crone could throw out Shadow in the Warp, Carnifexes could have some super undercosted stuff, the biocannons could be broken, the Horror could act like Terrify with a leadership debuff or something - it's just too hard to judge. The fact that apparently an MC heavy army faces relatively non-shooty Tau and it's a draw fills me with dread honestly. Nids needed a lot of reworking - from the stuff we've seen, it doesn't look like they got it. May well be viable (though definitely not in escalation, cheers GW) but I suspect they'll be close to mono-build again if they are.

That's a lot of doom for it not having yet released, Eyjio

 RiTides wrote:
That's a lot of doom for it not having yet released, Eyjio

What can I say, I always expect the worst so that when things happen I can be disappointed I was wrong too

 RiTides wrote:
That's a lot of doom for it not having yet released, Eyjio

I don't think it's bad to be critical about all the new rules. I can't remember a release where I wasn't majorly disappointed in something. I thought the Eldar codex sucked balls. It's got a couple great units so it's competitive, in fact it's one of the best armies out there, but I still think the codex as a whole stinks because it's a pile of trash that's being carried on a few crutches. Space Marines sucked too, as did Chaos and Dark Eldar. I think Tau is the most satisfying codex lately but even that has its design faults and internal inconsistencies. The new Tyranids can still end up as being the best army in the game, or the worst, but if Stealers, Warriors and some of the other stuff still sucks balls (despite easy fixes being available) the codex can't be considered a major success.

Sikamikanic0 wrote:
anyone else thinking that the flying carnifex....eeeer harpy/crone model looks to bulky to be able to actually fly??

those wings were ok for the hive tyrant...they were still kinda small maybe but since this is a tabletop miniature/model (toy?..lately they get bigger and bigger to continue calling them minis) it was ok..

but that new flyer.. first of all couldn they bother design a completly new looking creature?? in the codex artwork harpy had a nice distinctive head..not a carnifex head!

it kind looks like a ball with wings or a carnifex without limbs..

just take hive tyrants wings and stick them in a carnifex and remove his legs and.. voila here is a harpy!

dont know if anyone else feels kinda disspaointed with that model...considering it is going to be the most expensive relese also..

my 2 cents.

We don't have full pictures yet. We've basically only had close-ups of the torso without any relation to anything else. There's still room for size.

And to carry on the discussion- there are a lot of things we don't know as of yet. What any of the biomorphs are confirmed to do, what army-wide special rules they have, and what synapse and Shadow in the Warp does this time around. We really only have statlines and keywords leaked for termagants, genestealers, and warriors. Even on them we don't have the whole picture. Who knows, warriors may find a new niche in fire support with lots of shooty weapons.

Remember DV came out before the CSM and DA dexes. We did not see complete rules for a lot of units until the dexes were out.

Um.. This might sound so stupid.. But what are theTyranid Psychic Cards?

 dakkajet wrote:
Um.. This might sound so stupid.. But what are theTyranid Psychic Cards?

Well, you know the Eldar psychic cards, or the Warhammer Fantasy Battle psychic cards? The cards that tell you all of the psychic powers so you don't have to go into the book all of the time?

Well...it's like that, but with Tyranid powers.

Even if tyranids end up mono build I'll still be playing them. Bugs are still great opponents considering the only armys played where im at are sm/tau/eldar/necron.

I'm sure most of the codex will fall to the wayside in favor of a few select more competitive units but that is the way of the world. Even if gw gets the army balanced players will still pick out the cream of the crop and abuse them if they can. That's not a bad thing, thats just people trying get the most out of the army.

Either way, my swarmlord will still be ran, even if they nerf him to death.

Wow that tyrant guard looks terrible :s

Like the look of the other stuff though glad nids are getting love

 dakkajet wrote:
Um.. This might sound so stupid.. But what are theTyranid Psychic Cards?

It's the Tyranid psychic powers listed out on cards to make it easier to remember what does what. It also gives you a fairly easy way to randomize without using dice. Just shuffle and deal.

Don't suppose theyd be willing to move carnifex's over to troops. Would love a mc only army, even if it was just for looks.

Have we heard anything about the Mawloc yet? I really like it thematically and would love to run one.

 Rotary wrote:
Even if tyranids end up mono build I'll still be playing them. Bugs are still great opponents considering the only armys played where im at are sm/tau/eldar/necron.

I'm sure most of the codex will fall to the wayside in favor of a few select more competitive units but that is the way of the world. Even if gw gets the army balanced players will still pick out the cream of the crop and abuse them if they can. That's not a bad thing, thats just people trying get the most out of the army.

Either way, my swarmlord will still be ran, even if they nerf him to death.

I see no reason to further nerf the swarmlord.. they already did and it's called 6th edition assault phase.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
Even if tyranids end up mono build I'll still be playing them. Bugs are still great opponents considering the only armys played where im at are sm/tau/eldar/necron.

I'm sure most of the codex will fall to the wayside in favor of a few select more competitive units but that is the way of the world. Even if gw gets the army balanced players will still pick out the cream of the crop and abuse them if they can. That's not a bad thing, thats just people trying get the most out of the army.

Either way, my swarmlord will still be ran, even if they nerf him to death.

I see no reason to further nerf the swarmlord.. they already did and it's called 6th edition assault phase.

Well the Swarmlord went up by 5 points and is now ML3... I wouldn't be surprised if it got the Avatar treatment and got a general stat buff alongside the point increase.

All the tiny bugs and MCs got an overall reduction in points going by the WD leaks. The warriors and genestealers appear not to have changed and rippers are more points than before. This is perplexing as you would imagine the medium bugs needed a point drop the most.

I think this is indicative of a change in the synapse/synapse creature rules...but what the change is, who knows?

 xttz wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
Even if tyranids end up mono build I'll still be playing them. Bugs are still great opponents considering the only armys played where im at are sm/tau/eldar/necron.

I'm sure most of the codex will fall to the wayside in favor of a few select more competitive units but that is the way of the world. Even if gw gets the army balanced players will still pick out the cream of the crop and abuse them if they can. That's not a bad thing, thats just people trying get the most out of the army.

Either way, my swarmlord will still be ran, even if they nerf him to death.

I see no reason to further nerf the swarmlord.. they already did and it's called 6th edition assault phase.

Well the Swarmlord went up by 5 points and is now ML3... I wouldn't be surprised if it got the Avatar treatment and got a general stat buff alongside the point increase.

I'm hoping his invuln save will work against shooting now.

to all those expecting EW with synapse, its not happening

 tetrisphreak wrote:

I think this is indicative of a change in the synapse/synapse creature rules...but what the change is, who knows?

Iirc endobai said something cryptic about synapse making warriors worth their points, so yeah, we should probably wait a bit before starting with the doom and gloom.

 Formosa wrote:
to all those expecting EW with synapse, its not happening

I'm a skeptic too, but i could see it happening. Mainly because synapse is such a army wide weak point. No other army is forced to maintain minimum distances between certain units. Granted you get fearless out of it but that has become a pretty common ability in other armys too. So I won't rule it out personally, not going to say it's going to happen. But.........

 Formosa wrote:
to all those expecting EW with synapse, its not happening

Quite.

If they took it from Greater Daemons, and didn't include a way of giving it back in some capacity, I don't see the justification for any Nids having it by default.

Anyone know what's gonna be in the Limited Edition? To make it worth twice that of the codex it better be sweet.

Just the cover art and dust jacket (possible you'll have two pics, the one on the book, one on the dust jacket), probably silver edging on the pages and a divider ribbon.

No more than that.

Without EW, almost all of the t4 multiwound models are practically a waste if they don't get some serious love from another direction.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Without EW, almost all of the t4 multiwound models are practically a waste if they don't get some serious love from another direction.

I give you Bloodcrushers. Seriously, no Nid player should be getting too caught up in the idea of getting EW all over the shop, if anything, 6th Ed books have been making it less prevalent.

I see no possible fluff explanation why Tyranids would get Eternal Warrior while Daemons don't.

no one cares about a fluff explanation for it, we'd just like the models to be a useful unit.

 Wilytank wrote:
I see no possible fluff explanation why Tyranids would get Eternal Warrior while Daemons don't.

Can you think of fluff justification for half the stuff in 40k tabletop, likeRiptides or Eldar being best friends with the Ordo Malleus? Let's face it, all they have to do is say something like "the hive mind remembers all memories of creatures it commands" and bam, justification for eternal warrior. They could even just say "gives them unbelievable toughness over a normal man" and that would be enough frankly.

Though I agree it does seem unlikely.

 gigasnail wrote:
no one cares about a fluff explanation for it, we'd just like the models to be a useful unit.

Pretty much this. And I quite like the idea of the Hive Mind puppeting bugs beyond their bodies' breaking point.