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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, they aren't going to make the FMC grounding immune. That's just silly.

They will make the Harpy and Crones flyers though. In fact, I think the Harpy is already a FMC.

It has been an FMC since 6th edition came out.

James811 wrote:
From the rumours I think we will be able to run a hoard army or a mc army, with the mc army probably being better but the hoard army will being better than it is right now. Flying mc spam is the way to go I think. 3 flyrants and 3 harpy/crone with a couple of squads of troops because FOC says you have to sounds so good! Especially if they make the harpy/crone a flyer and non groundable. I can't wait for this codex!!!

I don't think you'll be able to take 3 Flyrants, but this is the feeling I'm getting too. I think there will be some FOC shennanigans to make up for the fact that we can't take allies, mostly a la Tervigon to troops, or possibly things like Hive Commander (or other upgrades to Tyrants) bringing cheaper Carnifexes to Elites to help relieve some of the Heavy Support log jam we presumably will have with the Haruspex and Exocrine joining that slot.

The Harpy/Crone look amazing, and the rumors surrounding the Crone seem pretty fantastic, so I'm looking forward to taking the first Fast Attack choices in my history as a Tyranid player (since 4th ed).

 sing your life wrote:
Why a new warrior box? The currents don't really need replacing.

To add the Prime, the whip/swords, etc. None of our kits "need" replacing, but that one could use it the most.

xttz wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Altruizine wrote:
All in all the Crone seems like a prototypical glass cannon. They might end up being the kind of thing you need to field two of to really make work.

Seems like a good bet. MC spam in general should help them. My early, poorly-informed, possibly-wildly-wrong opinion is that things are pointing to Nidzilla's return in a major way.

Hell yes, especially if one of the monsters has moved to Elites, whether it be a new one or Carnifexes - though Carnifexes make the most sense. Much, much cheaper for the most part in terms of points, and presumably improved in profile as well.

We could use some FOC-shifting/expanding abilities in general. Tyranids have a pretty sizeable back-catalogue of units and I'll bet we'll see certain slots overcrowded with decent units just like Elites were in 5E.

I agree, though if Ymgarls (rumoured) and the Doom (confirmed) are dropped, it should free up a bit of room for Elites. Carnifexes are a generalist unit that only really lacks at long range where the Exocrine will likely excel, as do Biovores, so it won't be stepping on the toes of Hive Guard too much hopefully.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, they aren't going to make the FMC grounding immune. That's just silly.

They will make the Harpy and Crones flyers though. In fact, I think the Harpy is already a FMC.

I'm not sure I understand this comment. Are you trying to say you think they will be the unit type "Flyers", or are you confirming they are flying monstrous creatures? The Harpy is already a flying monstrous creature. Both models are monsters with wings, so it is pretty obvious that they will be flying monstrous creatures. Tyranids don't have vehicles, so they definitely won't make them 'flyers'. As far as not being able to be grounded is concerned, it would make more sense for Harpies and presumably Crones than any other flying monstrous creature. Harpies are bombers, true, but they do mix it up high in the sky and aren't supposed to be on the ground at all, hence the complete lack of legs. Crones probably have a similar fluff description judging by the model. It won't happen but it would make more sense for them than anyone else.

Yeah, I meant Flying Monstrous Creature. I'm just really lazy like that.

How would they justify grounding immunity though? The idea behind grounding, iirc, is that the FMC loses control due to getting hit and crashes to the ground. Like a goose getting its wings clipped by a shotgun blast.

Anyone else feel that with these new lovely monsters that our FoC is going to be overcrowded, without named characters we already have:

HQ.
Hive Tyrant,
Tervigon,
Tyranid Prime,
Tyrant Guard as Retinue.

Elite.
Lictors,
Zoanthropes,
Venomthropes,
Hive Guard,
Pyrovores,
Ymgarl Genestealers

Troops.
Tyranid Warriors,
Genestealers,
Hormagaunts,
Termagant,
Ripper Swarms,

Fast Attack.
Raveners,
Tyranid Shrikes,
Sky Slashers,
Harpy,
Gargoyles,
Spore Mine Cluster,

Heavy Support.
Carnifex,
Biovore
Trygon,
Mawloc
Tyrannofex

If we are to lose the Shrikes and Sky Slashers, the Trygon and Mawloc could move to fast attack, this would then free up two entries in Heavy Support where the Exocrine, and the Haruspex can fit in. Trouble will then be that we have a busy Fast Attack, what with the Crone, and the Harpy, that will be 4 Monstrous creatures.

Either way it is going to be interesting to see what happens, just hope we don't get anymore added to our already crowded Elites section.

rigeld2 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Why a new warrior box? The currents don't really need replacing.

To add the Prime, the whip/swords, etc. None of our kits "need" replacing, but that one could use it the most.

Ah, I see [thanks for that ]

 stonehorse wrote:
Anyone else feel that with these new lovely monsters that our FoC is going to be overcrowded, without named characters we already have:

HQ.
Hive Tyrant,
Tervigon,
Tyranid Prime,
Tyrant Guard as Retinue.

Elite.
Lictors,
Zoanthropes,
Venomthropes,
Hive Guard,
Pyrovores,
Ymgarl Genestealers

Troops.
Tyranid Warriors,
Genestealers,
Hormagaunts,
Termagant,
Ripper Swarms,

Fast Attack.
Raveners,
Tyranid Shrikes,
Sky Slashers,
Harpy,
Gargoyles,
Spore Mine Cluster,

Heavy Support.
Carnifex,
Biovore
Trygon,
Mawloc
Tyrannofex

If we are to lose the Shrikes and Sky Slashers Trygon and Mawloc could move to fast attack, this would then free up two entries in Heavy Support where the Exocrine, and the Haruspex can fit in. Trouble will then be that we have a busy Fast Attack, what with the Crone, and the Harpy, that will be 4 Monstrous creatures.

Either way it is going to be interesting to see what happens, just hope we don't get anymore added to our already crowded Elites section.

No such thing as a crowded FoC. I find such variety to be a good thing. Then again, I did play 3rd ed necrons, where they had like 13 units in total.

Most them weren't even good.

Caederes wrote:
Hell yes, especially if one of the monsters has moved to Elites, whether it be a new one or Carnifexes - though Carnifexes make the most sense. Much, much cheaper for the most part in terms of points, and presumably improved in profile as well.

I feel like the Trygon would make more sense for a move though. It's more of a generalist unit in contrast to the Carnifex's base S 9 which screams HS.

 sing your life wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Why a new warrior box? The currents don't really need replacing.

To add the Prime, the whip/swords, etc. None of our kits "need" replacing, but that one could use it the most.

Ah, I see [thanks for that ]

Also to potentially add wargear that is new to this edition, like grav-guns in the Tactical Marine box.

I don't know if anyone pointed this out but those supposed leaked codex pages of the genestealers- take a closer look. Broodlord is a 50 point upgrade for mastery level 3 (or 1?). That's pretty gg and if that was a white dwarf update for our current codex then I think that would make them worth it.

http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

zaak wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out but those supposed leaked codex pages of the genestealers- take a closer look. Broodlord is a 50 point upgrade for mastery level 3. That's pretty gg and if that was a white dwarf update for our current codex then I think that would make them worth it.

http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

It's mastery level 1, you are dreaming.

 Carnage43 wrote:

zaak wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out but those supposed leaked codex pages of the genestealers- take a closer look. Broodlord is a 50 point upgrade for mastery level 3. That's pretty gg and if that was a white dwarf update for our current codex then I think that would make them worth it.

http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

It's mastery level 1, you are dreaming.

Are you sure? That does look awfully a lot like a 3.

The text is just blurry, it's probably just Mastery Level 1. And even if it was ML3, he can only use the one power he has one time per turn anyway, so it would only be useful for Deny the Witch.

Caederes wrote:

I agree, though if Ymgarls (rumoured) and the Doom (confirmed) are dropped, it should free up a bit of room for Elites.

Where is the Doom confirmed as cut? Could someone please share this with me, its a pretty sore spot for me right now as I literally just spent a bunch of money on a custom made DoM :(

Still BS0, so can't use Witchfires. You'd think that your ability to hit a target with a death laser from your brain would be a wholly separate skill to your ability to use a gun.

Not that it matters for the broodlord - he only ever knows "The Horror" and can't swap it (it looks like).

It could be 1 and just look like a 3 because of the bad quality. Still, if it were 3, I'd assume that it'd know "The Horror" and be able to generate two more powers.

Currently models like the tervigon have a stick power that they can swap out. Perhaps the Broodlird can too.

or possibly the horror can use 2 warps charges this time around...

zaak wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out but those supposed leaked codex pages of the genestealers- take a closer look. Broodlord is a 50 point upgrade for mastery level 3 (or 1?). That's pretty gg and if that was a white dwarf update for our current codex then I think that would make them worth it.

http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

What shocks me much more is that Scything Talons seem to be a 4 points upgrade...

 ergotoxin wrote:

zaak wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out but those supposed leaked codex pages of the genestealers- take a closer look. Broodlord is a 50 point upgrade for mastery level 3 (or 1?). That's pretty gg and if that was a white dwarf update for our current codex then I think that would make them worth it.

http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

What shocks me much more is that Scything Talons seem to be a 4 points upgrade...

Oh my...maybe they buffed it? I mean, 4 points for rerolling 1s is a bit...steep.

But wouldn't surprise me.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:

zaak wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out but those supposed leaked codex pages of the genestealers- take a closer look. Broodlord is a 50 point upgrade for mastery level 3 (or 1?). That's pretty gg and if that was a white dwarf update for our current codex then I think that would make them worth it.

http://i.imgur.com/UAqzUBO.jpg

What shocks me much more is that Scything Talons seem to be a 4 points upgrade...

Oh my...maybe they buffed it? I mean, 4 points for rerolling 1s is a bit...steep.

rigeld2 wrote:But wouldn't surprise me.

We really need to write a "thoughts and speculation" post on the first page or something. This is the fourth or fifth time the cost of scything talons, the Broodlord mastery level and powers combo stuff, and a half dozen other repeat conversations (extra spawns from tervigons debunk, doom gone, pods gone...etc). I think the thread is getting to the point that it's too large for people to read, and all these repeats is making it worse.

 Carnage43 wrote:
We really need to write a "thoughts and speculation" post on the first page or something. This is the fourth or fifth time the cost of scything talons, the Broodlord mastery level and powers combo stuff, and a half dozen other repeat conversations (extra spawns from tervigons debunk, doom gone, pods gone...etc). I think the thread is getting to the point that it's too large for people to read, and all these repeats is making it worse.

It's been close to ten pages, if not more, with no new rumors. I think the thread should be locked for a bit. It's annoying to check the thread in the morning, see three new pages and then look through those pages finding nothing but the same questions being asked, and the same "oh that's cool" comments, or people saying how excited they are.

 undertow wrote:
It's been close to ten pages, if not more, with no new rumors. I think the thread should be locked for a bit. It's annoying to check the thread in the morning, see three new pages and then look through those pages finding nothing but the same questions being asked, and the same "oh that's cool" comments, or people saying how excited they are.

Should I point out the issue with adding a new post without on-topic content, to complain about new posts without on-topic content? Should I do so in red?

I wonder if we'll be blessed with something like battle focus like the eldar got for hormagaunts? I'd love that!!

James811 wrote:
I wonder if we'll be blessed with something like battle focus like the eldar got for hormagaunts? I'd love that!!

I'd sure love my hormagaunts to be able to run and shoot ... I guess you meant running and charging. If only ....

Ha, no.

Battle Focus happened because this is 6th edition and GW loves you for shooting people.

Some sort of "assault battlefocus" would go against Games Workshop's 6th edition mindset of "we don't want people to assault unless they're flyers or in some overpowered death star".

I for one am loving the new models, new organizations, and especially the rumors of point reductions on a number of my favorite currently unused bugs! However, I am going to to be angry if my scratch built Parasite, Doom, and 3 Spore Pods become unusable. Can't January 11th(?) get here sooner? Enough with this Xmas stuff, on to the new year!!!