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 sn0zcumb3r wrote:
Hi MadCowCrazy and thanks for the input..
Do you have some stats on the Exocrine gun?

From what I can read it seems to be:
S7 Ap2 Large Blast or 6 separate shots of which there are no details

Madcowcrazy,

In the write up leading into the battle report, do they explain why the tyranids have a hierodule in a heavy slot? Did they allow it "just for fun" or what?

Also, was the match really 3100 points of tyranids vs 1400 points of tau, as someone on warseer stated?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Haven't bothered to read the thread as Nids aren't on my top to know list but I've got the latest WD so if anyone has any questions I might be able to answer them. If someone else has the WD as well and been answering questions then please ignore me

1 - Can you tell us how many models are in the gants box, and what is the price?

2 - Any details on how they psychic powers are chosen for the big bugs.

Oh, and if your scanner has died, cell phone pics are fine....

thanks!

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Madcowcrazy,

In the write up leading into the battle report, do they explain why the tyranids have a hierodule in a heavy slot? Did they allow it "just for fun" or what?

Also, was the match really 3100 points of tyranids vs 1400 points of tau, as someone on warseer stated?

I will check out the write up but as for Tau army size it's split into 2 armies.

The KE'SHAN INITIATIVE (1484pts) and The D'YANOI DELEGATION (1512 pts), just fancy names and nothing more.

So it's 3180 Nids vs 2996 Tau
If it was just 1400 Tau vs that the OP screams would have been allot louder than they already are.


Oh yeah, if it hasn't been stated here before there seems to be a new instinctive behaviour called Hunt, Gargoyles have it. What it means I have no idea as it says to refer to xx page of the Nid codex which I don't have yet.

Just tried out my cell phone, the camera works but is pretty gak as it's 5+ years old. Seems I don't have to take pics though as someone is putting up the pics in the thread on 4chan.

Is there any other details on Shadows, Synapse or Instinctive behaviour?

Eldercaveman wrote:
Is there any other details on Shadows, Synapse or Instinctive behaviour?

Someone is scanning the pics and putting them up here https://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/29188850

Any one fancy doing a repost, I would but I'm on my phone. And 4chan really is an ugly site on a phone.

Eldercaveman wrote:Any one fancy doing a repost, I would but I'm on my phone. And 4chan really is an ugly site on a phone.

I'm on my phant and "true dat"

And according to the scans, the Tyranid force is ~3100 points. And according to the scans, the Tau force is ~1500... Truly, these new Tyranids are terrifying to defeat such desperate odds! (Really though, sounds like the book will at least be better than the last and not "dead on arrival")


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Eldercaveman wrote:
Any one fancy doing a repost, I would but I'm on my phone. And 4chan really is an ugly site on a phone.

https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388504684401.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388504945385.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505020696.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505094155.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505189146.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505304714.jpg

 jifel wrote:
And according to the scans, the Tyranid force is ~3100 points. And according to the scans, the Tau force is ~1500... Truly, these new Tyranids are terrifying to defeat such desperate odds! (Really though, sounds like the book will at least be better than the last and not "dead on arrival")

https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505020696.jpg

According to that image you posted there are two Tau detachments, each at about 1500 points.

 jifel wrote:
And according to the scans, the Tyranid force is ~3100 points. And according to the scans, the Tau force is ~1500... Truly, these new Tyranids are terrifying to defeat such desperate odds! (Really though, sounds like the book will at least be better than the last and not "dead on arrival")


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Eldercaveman wrote:
Any one fancy doing a repost, I would but I'm on my phone. And 4chan really is an ugly site on a phone.

https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388504684401.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388504945385.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505020696.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505094155.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505189146.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505304714.jpg

Huh. Some of these images just say "4chan"

The black tau in that batrep are hawt. Really dig the paint scheme. The Nids are really well done as well.

 jifel wrote:
And according to the scans, the Tyranid force is ~3100 points. And according to the scans, the Tau force is ~1500... Truly, these new Tyranids are terrifying to defeat such desperate odds! (Really though, sounds like the book will at least be better than the last and not "dead on arrival")


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Eldercaveman wrote:
Any one fancy doing a repost, I would but I'm on my phone. And 4chan really is an ugly site on a phone.

https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388504684401.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388504945385.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505020696.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505094155.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505189146.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1388505304714.jpg

Thanks jifel.

A few quick observations, I won't have a proper read until later. It is a fairly even points game, just a 2v1.

And for those of you who were worried by the war gear choices (Dakka fexes and Dakka flyrants) the models used are from an old army so the load outs were made long before this codex. And it's not really in GW style to magnetize or change out options to be more optimal.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Is there any other details on Shadows, Synapse or Instinctive behaviour?

Someone is scanning the pics and putting them up here https://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/29188850

Can anyone who has access to this post a summery of that we learn about Shadows and Synapse? I am at work and 4chan is a blocked site here and it will drive me nuts to wait unitl my shift is over. Thanks in advance!

Nothing for both.

Zookie wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Is there any other details on Shadows, Synapse or Instinctive behaviour?

Someone is scanning the pics and putting them up here https://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/29188850

Can anyone who has access to this post a summery of that we learn about Shadows and Synapse? I am at work and 4chan is a blocked site here and it will drive me nuts to wait unitl my shift is over. Thanks in advance!

Yeah it's just pictures of the mostly fluff driven battle report.

Things of note from Battle Report which I caught (some already mentioned and 100% confirmed, just being thorough):
-Old One Eye is an HQ
-Swarmlord has Tyrant Guard
-Swarmlord is ML3
-Catalyst is FNP to psyker, psykers unit AND one other within 12" per turn (so all 3 benefit each turn)
-Warp blast is S10, doesn't describe separation of it and lance as previously claimed
-Exorcine is 6 S7 AP2 or S7 AP2 large blast
-That's got to be one of the most tailored fething Tau lists in history, jesus. Everything has S7/8 OR S6 AP2. Plus, they have all the objectives on their side and are fighting hammer and anvil.
-2 lists, roughly 1500 each but the nids have 3 free units for killing objectives. Scythed Hierodule is a POS, may as well just throw away points, it's over 2 times the cost of a Wraithknight yet is generally worse than one.
-8 marker drones in the Tau list, not a lot but almost everything is already TL, so essentially a whole army of mass S7/8 AP2. Jesus fething Christ
-Stranglethorm and Spore Cysts still large blast
-Tervigon still poops out and looks like it's still 3D6 per turn stops on doubles.
-Dakkafexes still fire 12 shots each, and on the grounds the objective is T7 W2 4+, I doubt they've changed from S6 as they kill it in one go with 24 shots "easily" (S5 would actually not kill it on average)
-Tervigon still has stinger salvo, so looks 100% unchanged as of writing barring points

 magodedisco wrote:
Things of note from Battle Report which I caught (some already mentioned and 100% confirmed, just being thorough):
-Old One Eye is an HQ
-Swarmlord has Tyrant Guard
-Swarmlord is ML3
-Catalyst is FNP to psyker, psykers unit AND one other within 12" per turn (so all 3 benefit each turn)
-Warp blast is S10, doesn't describe separation of it and lance as previously claimed
-Exorcine is 6 S7 AP2 or S7 AP2 large blast
-That's got to be one of the most tailored fething Tau lists in history, jesus. Everything has S7/8 OR S6 AP2. Plus, they have all the objectives on their side and are fighting hammer and anvil.
-2 lists, roughly 1500 each but the nids have 3 free units for killing objectives. Scythed Hierodule is a POS, may as well just throw away points, it's over 2 times the cost of a Wraithknight yet is generally worse than one.
-8 marker drones in the Tau list, not a lot but almost everything is already TL, so essentially a whole army of mass S7/8 AP2. Jesus fething Christ
-Stranglethorm and Spore Cysts still large blast
-Tervigon still poops out and looks like it's still 3D6 per turn stops on doubles.
-Dakkafexes still fire 12 shots each, and on the grounds the objective is T7 W2 4+, I doubt they've changed from S6 as they kill it in one go with 24 shots "easily" (S5 would actually not kill it on average)
-Tervigon still has stinger salvo, so looks 100% unchanged as of writing barring points

The Excorine shots are mentioned as a S7 Ap2 large blast or 6 individual shots. The strength Ap of these shots aren't mentioned, although this should imply that you are right in your assumption that the strength isn't different, but it isn't confirmed yet.

"99% confirmed" rumors from the warpshadow thread:

terrorfex wrote:Shadow is 12 Inches -3 LD for psi

Hive crone is Vector Strike 8
Missiles are rerollable S5 pulse

Exocrine is bs3(4) t6 w5 3+
24 Inches, S7 ap2 6 shots or lagre blast
Bs4 when stationary

Haruspex ist t6 w5 3+
Gains an Attack for Every lost wound
Heals One wound for Every unsaved wound caused

 tetrisphreak wrote:
"99% confirmed" rumors from the warpshadow thread:

Shadow is 12 Inches -3 LD for psi

Hive crone is Vector Strike 8
Missiles are rerollable S5 pulse

Exocrine is bs3(4) t6 w5 3+
24 Inches, S7 ap2 6 shots or lagre blast
Bs4 when stationary

Haruspex ist t6 w5 3+
Gains an Attack for Every lost wound
Heals One wound for Every unsaved wound caused

If this is true, the Meta is going to really change.

Shadows pretty much kills Screamerstar and Seer Council, right off the bat at -3 or -4 LD, which ever it is.

Exocrine is... amazing if that is true, for 170 points.

Th Haruspex is interesting. I still think it will be killed too quickly, before it gets into CC. We need to see how expensive it is.

How are those missles supposed to be Anti-Air? Strength 5???

Seems we still live in a world where GW are too afraid to give the Tyranids anything above T6.

 Sasori wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
"99% confirmed" rumors from the warpshadow thread:

Shadow is 12 Inches -3 LD for psi

Hive crone is Vector Strike 8
Missiles are rerollable S5 pulse

Exocrine is bs3(4) t6 w5 3+
24 Inches, S7 ap2 6 shots or lagre blast
Bs4 when stationary

Haruspex ist t6 w5 3+
Gains an Attack for Every lost wound
Heals One wound for Every unsaved wound caused

If this is true, the Meta is going to really change.

Shadows pretty much kills Screamerstar and Seer Council, right off the bat at -3 or -4 LD, which ever it is.

Exocrine is... amazing if that is true, for 170 points.

Th Haruspex is interesting. I still think it will be killed too quickly, before it gets into CC. We need to see how expensive it is.

How are those missles supposed to be Anti-Air? Strength 5???

Will -3/-4 fail more on Ld 10 than testing on 3d6?

Excorine is still a slow beast that can only shoot 24", I suppose that does keep it different from the Tfex allowing that to be the long range fire support,

What does Pulse do?

All I could guess is he either meant blast, which makes them anti ground, or haywire. Pulse isn't a 40k term. But I posted verbatim what terrorfex said.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing for both.

That's aggravating. For me, any change to Shadows in the Warp is the single greatest thing I'm anticipating.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
"99% confirmed" rumors from the warpshadow thread:

Shadow is 12 Inches -3 LD for psi

Hive crone is Vector Strike 8
Missiles are rerollable S5 pulse

Exocrine is bs3(4) t6 w5 3+
24 Inches, S7 ap2 6 shots or lagre blast
Bs4 when stationary

Haruspex ist t6 w5 3+
Gains an Attack for Every lost wound
Heals One wound for Every unsaved wound caused

Honestly, unless there is a pic of the source its still more rumor than 99%....

I read the entire battle report, and unless I missed them, many of these things were not in there. One of the earlier exocrine sources had said the exact same text of the article...which does not distinctly say the six shots are S7AP2, but many people inferred it (wishful thinking). I am not saying that it is not the case, but the line of text from the article does not say the six shots are s7ap2. If they are....they are gonna sell a lot of models....

One other interesting note from the WD.....twice they call the players "collectors".
I wonder if GW actually believes this ....or if this is just more marketing/mind control "we make models, rules are secondary" stuff again.
While I do know that some people "collecting" a few models is indeed true....heck, there are some models so cool, I would buy them just for the look....
However, a collector does not buy three heldrakes, or 120 orks or six wave serpents or four riptides....he buys one. So, GW....you might want to give up on the "collector" angle....after all, you are "games workshop" not "collectible models llc".

 tetrisphreak wrote:
All I could guess is he either meant blast, which makes them anti ground, or haywire. Pulse isn't a 40k term. But I posted verbatim what terrorfex said.

Unless it's a new Tyranid specific rule? Are you translating this to English?

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
"99% confirmed" rumors from the warpshadow thread:

Shadow is 12 Inches -3 LD for psi

Hive crone is Vector Strike 8
Missiles are rerollable S5 pulse

Exocrine is bs3(4) t6 w5 3+
24 Inches, S7 ap2 6 shots or lagre blast
Bs4 when stationary

Haruspex ist t6 w5 3+
Gains an Attack for Every lost wound
Heals One wound for Every unsaved wound caused

If this is true, the Meta is going to really change.

Shadows pretty much kills Screamerstar and Seer Council, right off the bat at -3 or -4 LD, which ever it is.

Exocrine is... amazing if that is true, for 170 points.

Th Haruspex is interesting. I still think it will be killed too quickly, before it gets into CC. We need to see how expensive it is.

How are those missles supposed to be Anti-Air? Strength 5???

Will -3/-4 fail more on Ld 10 than testing on 3d6?

Excorine is still a slow beast that can only shoot 24", I suppose that does keep it different from the Tfex allowing that to be the long range fire support,

What does Pulse do?

-3 Leadership is a bit worse than 3d6, while -4 would be about the same. It's more a long the lines, that if we start seeing Tyranids more (With all these massive points drops, I can see it happening) It will really put a damper on those two major builds. It does now, but Tyranids don't feature that often in major tourney play.

The Exocrine is slow, but 24' is still pretty darn good, especially at it's price point. Hopefully the Rupture Cannon has improved AP.... Like 1.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Will -3/-4 fail more on Ld 10 than testing on 3d6?

If it's -3, I think it'll be about slightly better for the person casting the power. Average for 2D6 is 7, so greater than half of all rolls will be good if base Ld is 10. Average for 3D6 is 10 and 11, so you should succeed about half the time. If the penalty is -4, it's a little harder to call without more effort, and I'm too lazy.

The important thing for me is that I've always favored Daemon Psykers are Daemons of Tzeentch, which get +3 to Ld for Psychic checks, so I would clearly rather have the -3 or even -4 penalty than the 3D6.

Sounds like haywire.

S5 on the flyer isn't too bad. Fmc can shoot 360 so you can fire into rear armor.

 undertow wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Will -3/-4 fail more on Ld 10 than testing on 3d6?

If it's -3, I think it'll be about slightly better for the person casting the power. Average for 2D6 is 7, so greater than half of all rolls will be good if base Ld is 10. Average for 3D6 is 10 and 11, so you should succeed about half the time. If the penalty is -4, it's a little harder to call without more effort, and I'm too lazy.

The important thing for me is that I've always favored Daemon Psykers are Daemons of Tzeentch, which get +3 to Ld for Psychic checks, so I would clearly rather have the -3 or even -4 penalty than the 3D6.

I suppose a lot of Eldar and Daemon psykers don't have Ld 10 either, so that will really hurt them.