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Aha, missed it.

The bio-artifact's fluff doesn't make much sense, imo.

How can there be only "one" of them in existence? Can't the hive mind just grow another? Rare I can understand - maybe it takes a long time and a lot of biomass to grow something that sophisticated. But "only one in existence" doesn't seem right.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The bio-artifact's fluff doesn't make much sense, imo.

How can there be only "one" of them in existence? Can't the hive mind just grow another? Rare I can understand - maybe it takes a long time and a lot of biomass to grow something that sophisticated. But "only one in existence" doesn't seem right.

I'm pretty sure you can find a Tyranid career progression in the new fluff somewhere. They probably have a Tyrant in there who started as a meagre Ripper but showed so much promise that he kept getting benefits and salary increases. They added that to Daemons as well. You can start your career as just a rookie Bloodletter and work your way up the Khorne company and become a big earner. Wait for CS Goto to write a short story of the Swarmlord and Marneus Calgar negotiating a non aggression pact while enjoying tea and other refreshments.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The bio-artifact's fluff doesn't make much sense, imo.

How can there be only "one" of them in existence? Can't the hive mind just grow another? Rare I can understand - maybe it takes a long time and a lot of biomass to grow something that sophisticated. But "only one in existence" doesn't seem right.

I don't think "sense" should be anywhere near GW products. Just roll with it.

So Quad gun vs the Crone or Harpy anyone?

 Thranriel wrote:
So Quad gun vs the Crone or Harpy anyone?

Without doing the math...quad can only do 4 wounds max, and Crone has 5, so I guess at least it can't kill it in one go.

/silver-lining

 Thranriel wrote:
So Quad gun vs the Crone or Harpy anyone?

If they're T5 4+ you can just forget all about them. Every skyfire autocannon, high-yield missile pod, heavy burst cannon etc. will mow them down, and it's not like they have an easy time vs. the standard tesla spam either.

One of the flyers better have SV3+ like the first rumours indicated.

MadmanMSU wrote:

 Thranriel wrote:
So Quad gun vs the Crone or Harpy anyone?

Without doing the math...quad can only do 4 wounds max, and Crone has 5, so I guess at least it can't kill it in one go.

/silver-lining

S9 grounding hit

 Therion wrote:

 Thranriel wrote:
So Quad gun vs the Crone or Harpy anyone?

If they're T5 4+ you can just forget all about them. Every skyfire autocannon, high-yield missile pod, heavy burst cannon etc. will mow them down, and it's not like they have an easy time vs. the standard tesla spam either.

One of the flyers better have SV3+ like the first rumours indicated.

And don't forget it can also be grounded, after which a single Tactical Squad in rapid fire range can finish it off with their bolters. And no, the only FMC with a 3+ will still be the Hive Tyrant, the Harpy and Crone share the T5 W5 4+ statline.

Guys, Tyranids are the worst possible army to try and throw in a vacuum.

Because drawing inferences from statistics and numbers is meaningless, amirite?

Redemption, source?

 AesSedai wrote:
Redemption, source?

 Redemption wrote:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?40459-Copy-Of-Tyranid-Codex-In-Hand&p=382946&viewfull=1#post382946

Did that guy on BOLS verify he owns the codex with a photo?

 ductvader wrote:
Guys, Tyranids are the worst possible army to try and throw in a vacuum.

I agree however if the enemy has a skyfiring interceptor quadgun its probably there to shoot at your flyers, and because its going to do so much more to the crone and harpy I would probably thing the enemy would go for them rather than say a flyrant. Don't get me wrong I think they might still have a place in the army when the codex comes out, but you are not going to be seeing one on its own, or with 1 flyrant.

I took a harpy once last addition and it was useless, the crone looks real interesting but I have a fear that it will just fall right out of the sky. My flyrant already has that problem and he has a 3+ save and T6 lol.

 Redemption wrote:

 AesSedai wrote:
Redemption, source?

 Redemption wrote:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?40459-Copy-Of-Tyranid-Codex-In-Hand&p=382946&viewfull=1#post382946

To be fair that's not a credible source. That guy is just making gak up as he goes. He linked the same photos as Sinsigel on Warseer so unless he's the same guy how about take a picture of a different page than the psychic powers this time, for example the army list fast attack section. Can't be that hard, can it?

So... a single set of scything talons is useless, but will probably still be default gear on warriors.

Looks like I need to break a lot of arms.


HAH! Just kidding, warriors aren't going on the table anyway, why bother?

Eh, the FMC profiles line up with what Sinsigel has been saying on Warseer, and the rest we basically already knew. I feel trying to hope he's just making it up is grasping at straws. Either way, I guess we'll know 100% sure soon enough.

From guy on BOLS regarding hive guard:

old cannon ignore cover remain the same
new cannon is EMP but same range as devourer and S of the Broodlord

After a glance at the codex today a couple things make me sad :
Nothing I saw indicated you can still add the benefits of cc weapons together, so it's the regular pick one weapon to use rule
and Scything talons are just Close Combat weapons with AP6, no re-rolls no nothing ...
Honestly I noticed a bunch of bad changes, and only a few good ones ...

Someone needs to find out about Venomthropes. They could make some powerful builds if they're good now.

 xttz wrote:
Someone needs to find out about Venomthropes. They could make some powerful builds if they're good now.

What do you want to know about them? Same profile (except BS3 instead of 4 which didn't make sense) ,they have shrouded and give it to their buddies close-by. I don't remember any defensive grenades-like abilities

 Redemption wrote:
Eh, the FMC profiles line up with what Sinsigel has been saying on Warseer, and the rest we basically already knew. I feel trying to hope he's just making it up is grasping at straws. Either way, I guess we'll know 100% sure soon enough.

No, actually it's the other way around. People in these threads are so utterly desperate for any new rumours that it doesn't matter what anonymous guy comes in making stuff up you'll get 50 guys lining up to ask questions and 5 other guys linking and tweeting the stuff to 10 other locations. Frankly I'm surprised how guys like pretre can do this stuff, considering how large majority of supposedly reliable rumours we get turn out to be utter bullgak. I wonder what the Nid rumour tracker will say after all is said and done since this has once again been a storm of bullgak.

A rational person who has the book and wants to share it with the community, and has already taken pictures of copyrighted unreleased material and spread it worldwide, would

a) take pictures of all the rules pages and share them all
or
b) spend 10 minutes and draft a compilation of every relevant new unit, their points cost, weapon options, stats etc.
or
c) answer every question in rapid fire fashion, basically being able to answer about 50 rules questions per hour

We've had that before when it was legit, but when guys pop in and answer a question once per hour and the answer is "lol haha btw no torrent on flyers" when noone even knows if it's a blast or a template weapon, you can color me not entertained.

More from Mr BOLS:

Do any of the psykers get rulebook access?
Is death leaper an ic?
What's the deal with parasite?
What's the deal with tervigons?
Do lictors remain squads of 1-3 or do you buy up to three per slot and operate independently?

NO XD
yeah and you blindshoot him but rending on 6
parasite? what parasite? never existed
they cost more like 1 tyranid shrike
same as before but operate in group and now they infiltrate (thats good i guess)

I hope to god this guy is making stuff up

So, haven't been able to find anything, but... any word on whether or not Shrikes are in the book? I noticed the biomorph page listed wings, but it only seems to imply the presence of flying monstrous creatures (unless of course they're just listed as jump infantry). I have 27 of the buggers sitting on my desk, gonna quit nids if I cant use em (I built my entire army around a cc-only concept), the Shrikes were essential to my list.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Someone needs to find out about Venomthropes. They could make some powerful builds if they're good now.

What do you want to know about them? Same profile (except BS3 instead of 4 which didn't make sense) ,they have shrouded and give it to their buddies close-by. I don't remember any defensive grenades-like abilities

Can they join units? Do they have any other effects beyond Shrouded?

chaos0xomega wrote:
So, haven't been able to find anything, but... any word on whether or not Shrikes are in the book? I noticed the biomorph page listed wings, but it only seems to imply the presence of flying monstrous creatures (unless of course they're just listed as jump infantry). I have 27 of the buggers sitting on my desk, gonna quit nids if I cant use em (I built my entire army around a cc-only concept), the Shrikes were essential to my list.

Shrikes and Flying swarms are in, other units without models are out (the Parasite, the Doom, spores ,...) they're 5 points cheaper each too

chaos0xomega wrote:
So, haven't been able to find anything, but... any word on whether or not Shrikes are in the book? I noticed the biomorph page listed wings, but it only seems to imply the presence of flying monstrous creatures (unless of course they're just listed as jump infantry). I have 27 of the buggers sitting on my desk, gonna quit nids if I cant use em (I built my entire army around a cc-only concept), the Shrikes were essential to my list.

It seems you are in look, have a scan through the last 2-3 pages, all fingers are pointing to them being in still.

 xttz wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Someone needs to find out about Venomthropes. They could make some powerful builds if they're good now.

What do you want to know about them? Same profile (except BS3 instead of 4 which didn't make sense) ,they have shrouded and give it to their buddies close-by. I don't remember any defensive grenades-like abilities

Can they join units? Do they have any other effects beyond Shrouded?

I don't remember them having IC and they don't grant more than shrouded IIRC

Thranriel wrote:
I hope to god this guy is making stuff up

Nothing he just wrote there was new. It was all stuff from atleast a week old circulating rumour of the Deathleaper being HQ and having the 'Surprise' snap shot rule. The rest of the stuff is just some incoherent teen lolzmegawutz talk.