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I don't know about that, just that the Salamanders believe (allegedly because he told them) that Vulkan will return once they recover the remaining four of his nine artefacts. Obviously he took after his father, not bothering to give specifics. However, I think "return" means in the literal sense - as in he will come back to Nocturne from his secret holiday home.

Unless you mean "A Perpetual killed by Fulgurite can be resurrected by completing an Easter Egg hunt", which is entirely possible. However, The Emperor was most definitely not slain by Fulgurite.

I
Hate
Perpetuals

On topic: I hate perpetuals. I think Vulcan can come back at any time. I hope he doesn´t.

I wouldn't be surprised if the background would offer "hooks" to bring back anyone, if you really want to go that route. Some options may seem somewhat more likely than others, either because of some legend or myth, or because a final conclusion was left (intentionally?) open to interpretation.

40k fluff is malleable - a lot depends on preference and what book exactly you're looking at. Case in point, the HH novels and their "Perpetual" idea, whereas the rulebook flat out states the Primarchs were not immortal. Pick what you prefer.

That being said .. such comebacks would likely have considerable effect on the very spirit and atmosphere of the setting, so ...

 PredaKhaine wrote:

Mellow wrote:
But who is watching the watchers?

Me.

But yeah, possible returns for

Khan
Vulkan
Corax
Russ
Guilliman (possible - he ain't quite dead yet)
The Lion

Sanguinius has karked it (bar that fluff abomination the sanguinor)
Dorn is dead
Manus is very dead.

I'd love to see demon primarchs brought out for escalation though.

This, but Dorn may not be dead, so he is another possible return, (retconned)

Also, on a different note, stop bashing my Sanguinor, just cuz he rapes sht with hard nipples does not mean he is not cool.

DORN! He's just missing a hand!

Anyone think they could make a robotic head for Ferrus?

sanguinius is back already (cue sanguinor bashing) He just doesn't want people to know/ doesn't remember. (he is sorta like drago!... maybe)

And he must thus randomly bless the last man he shagged in an attempt to remember

 raiden wrote:

Also, on a different note, stop bashing my Sanguinor, just cuz he rapes sht with hard nipples does not mean he is not cool.

He wears sandals. These are opposite to 'cool'.
I'll stop hating the Sanguinor when he has the good grace to stop existing.

He's more pants than Mr Pants, overall winner of the 'I've just won most Pants' Pants category at the international 'I've got more pants than you' convention. Which he won. In the middle of pants week.

 PredaKhaine wrote:

 raiden wrote:

Also, on a different note, stop bashing my Sanguinor, just cuz he rapes sht with hard nipples does not mean he is not cool.

He wears sandals. These are opposite to 'cool'.
I'll stop hating the Sanguinor when he has the good grace to stop existing.

He's more pants than Mr Pants, overall winner of the Pants trophy at the international 'I've got more pants than you' convention. In the middle of pants week.

cept drago, man has more pants than Mr. Pants dads dad.

also, the reason I like the sanguinor is that -most- of his fluff is pretty cool imo. (some,.... is a bit weird)

I don't like him from a rules standpoint.
He should give his eternal warrior to Dante. I'd let the Sanguinor join/lead squads then.


Is Dorns death confirmed now or not? Where is the 'just his hand' bit from?

lexi, it was retconned that they never found a body. just some hand that they cannot truly identify.


also, I wish the sanguinor had better rules :(. (also mephiston for that matter, I would be ok with no EW or invuln if only I could get ap2!!!


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imo sanguinor is a dude who, in the fluff single handedly lays your army over his knee and gives em a spanking! lol (TT... no... but then again, its a game)

Where did lexi get it from?

At the moment, we can't even confirm Dorn's hand is dead...

PS:Sanguinor only wins till he realises its all Just as Planned.
Eldrad ftw.

then from the warp spawns 1000 baneblades tactically placed there by creed when he was 15 all as a safeguard against elder trickery!!

Which turns out to be just more eldar trickery...



Does anyone know where lexicanum got the Dorns hand found quote from?

The Marine Codex says "Though Rogal Dorn was lost to the Imperium in the years following the Horus Heresy, his legacy remains amongst the strongest of all of the Primarchs’. Dorn’s final moments were of courage and supreme sacrifice,"

Supreme sacrifice especially makes it sound as if he is dead.

So, from what I gather regarding Rogal Dorn, they retconned the "definitely dead and used as a decoration" to "likely dead/MIA".

Fun fact: "rogal" means "croissant" in Polish. I find this amusing.

 SarisKhan wrote:
So, from what I gather regarding Rogal Dorn, they retconned the "definitely dead and used as a decoration" to "likely dead/MIA".

Yep. The fact that they bothered to do so implies they did it to keep open the possibility of his return, just like the other loyalist primarchs.




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 derke56 wrote:
I would like to think that the Loyalist Primarchs all come back at the same time, see what the Imperium has become and join Chaos.

Rogal Dom was with the Imperium for almost 1,000 years AFTER the Horus Heresy ended. He probably already saw what it fell to yet he was still loyal to it to the end (far as we know). So at the very least, he still would side with the Imperium over Chaos.

Roboute Gulliman is the one who set up the current day Imperium in the first place, so I doubt he'd abandon it after coming back, either.

Russ and Khan were also with the Imperium for a while after the Heresy, although I don't know how far it had fallen by the time they disappeared. Russ and his commanders of the 13th Company from what little we know doesn't seem to have much problem with it in the 13th Black Crusade though (at least, to the point where he saw Chaos as the greater evil that must be defeated)

The Lion won't wake up until the Emperor gives the word. I doubt Emps would tell the Lion to wake up just so the Lion can betray him. ...although he might, in a sort of "the Emperor must die to fully become a god" sort of thing (which Cypher, a Dark Angel, also has rumours of, I believe)


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Animus wrote:
The Marine Codex says "Though Rogal Dorn was lost to the Imperium in the years following the Horus Heresy, his legacy remains amongst the strongest of all of the Primarchs’. Dorn’s final moments were of courage and supreme sacrifice,"

Supreme sacrifice especially makes it sound as if he is dead.

He was retconned to have died a "Disney death". They never found his body. He'd still be remembered for his sacrifice in that case.


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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I don't know about that, just that the Salamanders believe (allegedly because he told them) that Vulkan will return once they recover the remaining four of his nine artefacts. Obviously he took after his father, not bothering to give specifics. However, I think "return" means in the literal sense - as in he will come back to Nocturne from his secret holiday home.

Unless you mean "A Perpetual killed by Fulgurite can be resurrected by completing an Easter Egg hunt", which is entirely possible. However, The Emperor was most definitely not slain by Fulgurite.

Unremembered Empire reveals that Vulkan himself is one of the nine artifacts. So yes, it is probable that he will "return" once they find all nine, mainly because the last one will end up being him himself.

 SarisKhan wrote:
So, from what I gather regarding Rogal Dorn, they retconned the "definitely dead and used as a decoration" to "likely dead/MIA".

Fun fact: "rogal" means "croissant" in Polish. I find this amusing.

Give that man Rogal! he knows how to deal with him!


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Quick question, Wasn't the Lion sucked into the Warp and simply has completely disappeared? waiting for all the Fallen to die or something?

In likelyhood of return:

The Lion - He is just waiting to be released by the Watchers according to some pre-determined trigger. Some believe it is the Emperor's call that will bring him back, I think it could also be the return of the Lion's sword that Cypher is carrying.

Vulkan - Current fluff supports him being alive quite handily. But still not as sure as The Lion.

Dorn - The retcon to his story made him #3 in my book on 'Most Likely To Return'.

Russ - Because I fear the fan boy factor of Space Wolves being able to revive him.

People NOT on the list.
Guilliman, no way....sorry. Him dead. This proud failure of the Empire deserves to stay dead.

guilliman will survive!! he shall arise from his stasis and lead the IoM out of the darkness!

 raiden wrote:
guilliman will survive!! he shall arise from his stasis and lead the IoM out of the darkness!

Bring it He was beaten once by Fulgrim, and I doubt he would be able to defeat any Daemon Primarch in a duel.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 raiden wrote:
guilliman will survive!! he shall arise from his stasis and lead the IoM out of the darkness!

Bring it He was beaten once by Fulgrim, and I doubt he would be able to defeat any Daemon Primarch in a duel.

And then the Orks will accidentally destroy all of you... or the Tryanids just eat you...

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I don't know about that, just that the Salamanders believe (allegedly because he told them) that Vulkan will return once they recover the remaining four of his nine artefacts. Obviously he took after his father, not bothering to give specifics. However, I think "return" means in the literal sense - as in he will come back to Nocturne from his secret holiday home.

Unless you mean "A Perpetual killed by Fulgurite can be resurrected by completing an Easter Egg hunt", which is entirely possible. However, The Emperor was most definitely not slain by Fulgurite.

Unremembered Empire reveals that Vulkan himself is one of the nine artifacts. So yes, it is probable that he will "return" once they find all nine, mainly because the last one will end up being him himself.

I forgot about that. Brilliant.

Vulkan: When you find me, I shall be found.
Salamanders: *in awe of his wisdom*

Salamanders: But why didn't you just tell us to find that artefact and list their destinations?

Vulkan: Can't a primarch just relax and take a long nap?

Why are these things so important? Furthermore, if they're so important, why did you lose them? Why did you write an intentionally-confusing book about it? Are you testing your Legion's item-hunting skills?

Perhaps Vulkan just got tired of losing the remote control/his keys/his phone, so he's training the Salamanders to become expert treasure hunters.

Vulkan - reigning 40k hide and seek champion.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Why are these things so important? Furthermore, if they're so important, why did you lose them? Why did you write an intentionally-confusing book about it? Are you testing your Legion's item-hunting skills?

Perhaps Vulkan just got tired of losing the remote control/his keys/his phone, so he's training the Salamanders to become expert treasure hunters.

Vulkan has always loved scavenger hunts.

Lets be honest all primarchs have exactly the same chance of coming back which is close to 0 due to GW never moving the plot forward. That said if they did want to bring them back do you think something as small as pre established fluff would stand in their way? If they want to bring someone back who they have clearly stated has died on multiple occasions we all know they will retecon that gak faster than they raise the price of character models.

LightKing wrote:
is he the only primarch, that realistically can come back to rejoin the imperium...

The Lion, Russ, Khan, and Vulkan all have a large likelihood of coming back, and Guilliman's possibly healing. Even Sanguinius may have possibly reincarnated or something of the likes- with that stupid Sanguinator or whatever the he's called that was added to the Blood Angels. And Dorn's MIA, possibly/probably KIA.

And nobody has the slightest clue what's going on with the Alpha Legion.

carlos13th wrote:
Lets be honest all primarchs have exactly the same chance of coming back which is close to 0 due to GW never moving the plot forward. That said if they did want to bring them back do you think something as small as pre established fluff would stand in their way? If they want to bring someone back who they have clearly stated has died on multiple occasions we all know they will retain that gak faster than they raise the price of character models.

Excellent point.

Wyzilla wrote:
And nobody has the slightest clue what's going on with the Alpha Legion.

As an Alpha Legion player, I can confirm with absolute certainty that Alpharius and/or Omegon is definitely either every Legionnaire, one, two, or none of them.