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Hello,

I have't gotten the chance to pick up the new Escalation book that dropped yesterday. I have heard a lot about D weapons and how ridiculous some of the new rules are. Anyway, I am a Tau player and was wondering if there were stats available for the Tau Tigershark and/or Tigershark AX-1-0. I have not been able to find them anywhere.

Are there any Gargantuan Creatures or Super Heavy Vehicles for Tau?? I want to be able to keep up with it if things like the Revenant are going to be played more frequently in regular 40k matches. Are the Tigershark and AX-1-0 it (I am excluding the Manta from all of this) the only ones? I really would like to figure this out. Thanks.

Oh, and are the stats for all of the Super Heavy vehicles and Gargantuan Creatures in the Escalation book, or in a different Codex supplement book?

No, you don't get the AX-1-0. Just the dork with ion cannons.

The Escalation book contains all rules for all units that it allows you to field.

 GreyHamster wrote:
No, you don't get the AX-1-0. Just the dork with ion cannons.

The Escalation book contains all rules for all units that it allows you to field.

Why not the AX-1-0?

Ok thanks. I really need to pick up that book. Do you know the Tau vehicles that can be fielded? So the book also contains all of the stats of weapons and vehicles?

Unfortunately, Tau does not have a very good super-heavy for Escalation at the moment. They currently only have 1 - the Tiger Shark w/Ion Cannons. It's a flyer but with no Strength D guns.

That is unfortunate. So the stats for the Tiger Shark are in the Escalation book?

I wrote a review, it's in my sig and covers everything that every army has in the book.

That said, Forge World is releasing a pdf in the next few days (from what they told me when I emailed them) so there will be more options coming.

Because the design studio flipped a coin while they were writing and they decided that they hated Tau that day. Or maybe they figured they'd sold enough of the AX-1-0 and needed to move the other one.

Tau really just got the ion-cannon toting failship.

Ok thanks. It's still worth running though in a large point match?

It's ok, but nothing can really compete with the power of the D. But seriously, even the D-version of the Tiger Shark honestly isn't so bad. Why? Because it isn't a blast. It's just 1 TL-shot and so you can only kill 1 model a turn. However, if you were to put it up against the Titan, most likely it will kill the titan since most ground titans can't handle flyers.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
That is unfortunate. So the stats for the Tiger Shark are in the Escalation book?

The stats for the tiger shark are in the book, yes. All of the allowable units (so far) have stats in the book. Point costs, weapon options, weapon stats, etc.

At least Tau got a mention. Dark Eldar and Sisters don't even appear in the book!

Dark Eldar got the same entry as Eldar. The Revenant Titan.

What super heavy would the Sisters have anyway? Have they EVER had one other than Baneblade or (insert IG super heavy here)?

 jy2 wrote:
It's ok, but nothing can really compete with the power of the D. But seriously, even the D-version of the Tiger Shark honestly isn't so bad. Why? Because it isn't a blast. It's just 1 TL-shot and so you can only kill 1 model a turn. However, if you were to put it up against the Titan, most likely it will kill the titan since most ground titans can't handle flyers.

I am just slightly confused, so the Tiger Shark does shoot a D strength weapon?? Thats the only piece of info I need now. Thanks for you support.

But seriously - how do Dark Elder have a wraith titan?!? The very technology is antithetical to their way of life!

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
It's ok, but nothing can really compete with the power of the D. But seriously, even the D-version of the Tiger Shark honestly isn't so bad. Why? Because it isn't a blast. It's just 1 TL-shot and so you can only kill 1 model a turn. However, if you were to put it up against the Titan, most likely it will kill the titan since most ground titans can't handle flyers.

I am just slightly confused, so the Tiger Shark does shoot a D strength weapon?? Thats the only piece of info I need now. Thanks for you support.

The Tiger Shark in the Escalation book cannot shoot D weapons. No.

However, FW should be coming out with additional data sheets and lists of what can and can't be taken, which should include variant Tau fliers. So, you'll probably get them.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
It's ok, but nothing can really compete with the power of the D. But seriously, even the D-version of the Tiger Shark honestly isn't so bad. Why? Because it isn't a blast. It's just 1 TL-shot and so you can only kill 1 model a turn. However, if you were to put it up against the Titan, most likely it will kill the titan since most ground titans can't handle flyers.

I am just slightly confused, so the Tiger Shark does shoot a D strength weapon?? Thats the only piece of info I need now. Thanks for you support.

The one in escalation does not.
The OTHER one, who is not optional, does. (though FW said they are going to PDF some to fit into escalation soon)

Point to be said though, tigersharks cost alot more then they bring into the table. the heavy railguns is good against superheavies but little else, and the drone one (from escalation) really does nothing of value at all.

Other tau superheavies include the Manta (the coffe table of doom) and the Orca (a REALLY big flying devilfish)

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
It's ok, but nothing can really compete with the power of the D. But seriously, even the D-version of the Tiger Shark honestly isn't so bad. Why? Because it isn't a blast. It's just 1 TL-shot and so you can only kill 1 model a turn. However, if you were to put it up against the Titan, most likely it will kill the titan since most ground titans can't handle flyers.

I am just slightly confused, so the Tiger Shark does shoot a D strength weapon?? Thats the only piece of info I need now. Thanks for you support.

The one in escalation does not.
The OTHER one, who is not optional, does. (though FW said they are going to PDF some to fit into escalation soon)

Point to be said though, tigersharks cost alot more then they bring into the table. the heavy railguns is good against superheavies but little else, and the drone one (from escalation) really does nothing of value at all.

Other tau superheavies include the Manta (the coffe table of doom) and the Orca (a REALLY big flying devilfish)

We are just talking about the regular Tiger Shark right, not the AX-1-0?

When you say OTHER one, who is not optional, what does that mean? Is it not optional because FW has not released a PDF with the stats yet? How do you know it does if there has not been a PDF released for it yet? Finally, what is the most powerful Super Heavy Tau Vehicle in the game (other than the Manta)? Sorry for my lack of knowledge.

The standard Tigershark is pretty bad. It's just a large target that allows you to deepstrike drones without scattering. It's main armament is a twin-linked gun that we already have on a much cheaper aircraft and much cheaper tank, while neither of those options give your opponent an advantage if he does not bring a Lord of War. If your opponent is bringing a lord of war then you're putting a lot of points into a skyfortress that really lacks the firepower to do damage against the other Lords of War. It's also a huge point sink.

I think their logic was that it's pretty similar to the Thunderhawk, which has a S8 AP3 large blast gun and transport capacity. However the Thunderhawk can probably carry something better than gun drones and can swap out the main gun for a S D weapon.

It's one blessing is that most of the Lords of War have templates and blasts, so they can't hit it. Except for the Tyranid Harridan which would probably tear it apart.


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The "other one" mentioned is the one with the twin-linked Destroyer Railgun.

The two tigersharks are the only other superheavy Tau have besides the Manta. Tau have no GC, just a couple MC like the Gnarlocs and they are pretty bad by current MC standards.

We also have the Orca which has little weaponry, it's expensive points and dollar wise, and it carries units that really have no need for a transport in the first place.

Ok thanks. It makes me want the R'Varna to come into the game even more now. With all of these titans etc. running around, it also sounds like Tau don't have much of a Super Heavy with the Tiger Shark. So if I was playing against someone running a Super Heavy, would I wan't to run it? I think that it is kind of the anti Super Heavy unit as a posed to a pure destruction unit, am I wrong?


I guess my main point is, should I get the Tiger Shark or the AX-1-0 or neither one? I just want to know if its even worth it, because if it can dispatch of other Super Heavies, it doesn't sound too bad. Is it a waste of points and money? And if it is a waste, what do you suggest I add to my army so I can dispatch of Gargantuan Creatures and Super Heavies?

The Destroyer Railgun Tigershark in fluffwise is designed to one shot superheavies. In Apoc there is actually a formation of three Tigersharks that gives them a bonus against Superheavies. However that requires a lot of Tigersharks and a desire to rid yourself of all disposable income and willing to part with redundant kidneys and lungs to pay for them.

The only good thing about the single shot than a blast that's twin-linked is that you can hit enemy flyers with it. However due to the size of most superheavies and being twinlinked, it really loses out on collateral damage.

I've been trying to justify getting one for years, but just can't bring myself to do it.

It sounds like its not worth it then Well... I guess the only thing to do i to wait for the FW PDF and see if anything gets better for Tau. I guess that I am going to have to run stuff for anti Gargantuan Creature and Super Heavies. What do you suggest that I add so I can take those down? Or do you think it will really be a won't because they will get banned?

Actually the Orca got updated (again) in IA:A, making it cheaper, and quite affordable point-wise.

If only it was now affordable $-wise.
It does come with 6 crisis suits, so its effectively "only" ~230 pounds, but that's still a LOT.

If they make it available in regular 40k as "lord of war" and recast it without all the fancy interior (so you got a sealed box with nothing intresting inside like a devilfish), and by such affordable, I bet they would sell like cupcakes.

After all, it might give the LoW advantages to the enemy, but its 4 devilfishs in 1 flying body with option to fill in suits as well, and for cheaper then what these devilfishes would be! even if less armed.
It gives a whole new life to mech-tau. if only because it allows you to drop SO much at one place.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
At least Tau got a mention. Dark Eldar and Sisters don't even appear in the book!

Look at the Eldar options again, that's for both Dark Eldar and Eldar.

I really can't imagine that selling that well. I mean the suits can already deepstrike, have decent range weaponry, and can move a lot faster potentially. I don't remember what weaponry it had on it, but I thought it wasn't really anything special.

Now if it could drop off broadsides...

 kronk wrote:
Dark Eldar got the same entry as Eldar. The Revenant Titan.

What super heavy would the Sisters have anyway? Have they EVER had one other than Baneblade or (insert IG super heavy here)?

They've never had anything listed of their own period for super heavies.

Though taking a Titan has never been outside of the realm of "possible". Especially if you put a Vulcan Megabolter and the Flamer arm on it. Effective? Probably not that much, but very characterful.

How should I update my army so I can take out things like the Revenant. Like there has to be some way, otherwise that is getting banned (IMO). I just really don't want the game to get totally screwed and crazy because of this D madness. I wan't my Tau to still be playable (O'Vesa Star) if I am going up against a Gargantuan Creature or Super Heavy. I wan't to at least still have a chance. Suggestions and thoughts?

Rail Guns. The titan is only AV12-12-10

Though with the Holo-fields, you may want to drown it in S7. It really depends if you want that +2 bonus on the damage chart or not.

Also, what's with the variable stats? Like, for the Antimatter Meteor, it says something like - S10/8/6 AP1/3/5

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I really can't imagine that selling that well. I mean the suits can already deepstrike, have decent range weaponry, and can move a lot faster potentially. I don't remember what weaponry it had on it, but I thought it wasn't really anything special.

Now if it could drop off broadsides...

It can, unlike the devilfish there are no restrictions other then model counts, and no more then 6 jetpack suits (broadsides are not jetpacks), and these would normally unable to ride transports at all.
Though it will cost quite some space. (well...only 5 spaces each broadside. you can have 3 full teams of broadsides and 12 drones to form a bubblewrap, and maybe mark a bit.)
They would still snap-fire the turn they drop, as they are moving and all.

Or, drop a fully company of 4 full size 12 taus fire warrior teams, each with 2 drones, and an ethreal in one of them.

Its amazing what you can do with 57 spaces in a 300 point model.
Sure, it can't shoot much. it just delivers anything that can into the perfect firing position. (and it allows up to 4 units to disembark each turn, so that means you can deploy them ALL at once.)



Anyway, to answer a revenant, especially with enclaves-spam some fusion suits.
If you got 2 teams of 3 double-fuision suits, you got a fair chance to kill it upon entry.
3 teams is almost an assured kill.
And that's before you count markerlight support, S7 spam assistance and the likes.
And the rear AV10? really does not like S5 spam.

I play tau as well, and as good as tau are right now I think they are getting it pretty bad as far as escalation goes...
dont get me wrong we have lots of weapons to handle it.. but nothing to match it 1 for 1

I feel like my necrons will be fun again with the Ctan
Maybe an allied army is in my future

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
Why not the AX-1-0?

Because that it would have taken more than the 15 minutes GW spent on this book to look up the Tau rules and realize that the railshark is the one that anyone actually wants to use.

As for your initial question, the Tau superheavy rules are in IA:Apocalypse.