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Hear, Hear!

I'm going to go on the record by saying banning the Grimoire and limiting psychic mastery levels in an army is both unfair and wrong-headed. You completely destroy almost any viable Daemon build. Hell, the reason Chaos doesn't get a lot of the stuff other armies get is because they have more psychic powers available to them than most.

Also, they seem overly concerned about triple Heldrake armies, which are a terrible build, and haven't won anything. Are they as concerned about O'vesa stars, Jetseers, Wave Serpent spam, quad Riptides and bike spam and such as they seem to be about Chaos? Because these are the armies I worry about when I write a tournament list. I'd laugh if I saw three Heldrakes across the table from me below 2k points.

Thank goodness that the scourge of every tournament has been banned.

Maybe Eldar and Tau can compete now.

Noice.
I hate heldrakes. I want to win...but not like that.

Grimoire was a joke anyway with fateweaver. I'm not sure what GW was thinking there.

And where did this 5th edition nostalgia come from? As I recall it was mostly IG, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, and to a lesser extent, Blood Angels rolling around in Chimeras, Rhinos and Razorbacks holding objectives from inside their metal boxes.

 Eldarain wrote:
Thank goodness that the scourge of every tournament has been banned.

Maybe Eldar and Tau can compete now.

LoL? What do you mean can compete?
Where they underrated before the ban?
Correct me please if I am wrong but do tau and eldar won most tourneys? Are they the most OP
Armies out there?

 Eldarain wrote:
Thank goodness that the scourge of every tournament has been banned.

Maybe Eldar and Tau can compete now.

Hopefully the Jetseer council will get punked by the Psychic Power limit.

 avedominusnox wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Thank goodness that the scourge of every tournament has been banned.

Maybe Eldar and Tau can compete now.

LoL? What do you mean can compete?
Where they underrated before the ban?
Correct me please if I am wrong but do tau and eldar won most tourneys? Are they the most OP
Armies out there?

'Twas Sarcasm.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Thank goodness that the scourge of every tournament has been banned.

Maybe Eldar and Tau can compete now.

Hopefully the Jetseer council will get punked by the Psychic Power limit.

That will be interesting to follow. I'm not sure how I'd word such a restriction to limit their power without harming less abusive uses of psykers.

Grimoire of True Names is banned.


Wait, WHAT?!

Lou_Cypher wrote:
Grimoire of True Names is banned.


Wait, WHAT?!

Yeah, I mean, Inquisitors should never be in clo- oh, the OTHER Grimoire? Yeah, that seems sort of reasonable.

Honestly, I had hope in my heart that all these shenanigans would make TOs realize that we needed nationwide standardization of this kind of thing (plus agreement on FAQs), but it looks like that ain't happening.

Edit: I'll add, though, that I think these are probably good changes, though I'm really interested in what the specifics will be.

Lou_Cypher wrote:
Grimoire of True Names is banned.


Wait, WHAT?!

Apparently, the Screamerstar that has not won any tournament of note and is easily dealt with via tarpitting is breaking the game, so screwing over every Daemon build by capping mastery levels and banning their best tool to weather the massive amount of firepower in the game right now is going to help keep Eldar and Tau from winning all the time. It's brilliant, I tells ya!

How about we ban D weapons, turn a 2+ rerollable into a 2+/4+ and call it good?

Its probably because the screamerstars would and could stop certain people winning the tourny. They have indeed killed daemon dex other then dog rush but that isnt exactly top tier imo. They claim GW dont do any testing but I bet they havent tested their theroies out either, it wont be hard to write some uber lists when people know their restrictions.

MarkyMark wrote:
Its probably because the screamerstars would and could stop certain people winning the tourny. They have indeed killed daemon dex other then dog rush but that isnt exactly top tier imo. They claim GW dont do any testing but I bet they havent tested their theroies out either, it wont be hard to write some uber lists when people know their restrictions.

Dog rush was quite stymied when Codex Inquisition was released. Even dog rush used the Grimoire.

good initiative, but i hope half of the TAU codex will be 1-0 then as they are all but beatable now and you just killed all their difficult match ups....

but good initiative, banning psychic lvls is a bit absurd but you need to do something about seercouncil if you kill screamer star.

 Eldarain wrote:
Thank goodness that the scourge of every tournament has been banned.

Maybe Eldar and Tau can compete now.

Dis will be my new signature.

slaede wrote:

How about we ban D weapons, turn a 2+ rerollable into a 2+/4+ and call it good?

This.

Banning the Grimoire is effectively banning every Daemon list. If the Screamerstar is the problem, fix the Screamerstar, don't drop the entire codex.

Even Dog Pile and Slaanesh Rush style lists are using the Grim for that SUPER BROKEN 3++ with no rerolls.

 anonymou5 wrote:

slaede wrote:

How about we ban D weapons, turn a 2+ rerollable into a 2+/4+ and call it good?

This.

Banning the Grimoire is effectively banning every Daemon list. If the Screamerstar is the problem, fix the Screamerstar, don't drop the entire codex.

Even Dog Pile and Slaanesh Rush style lists are using the Grim for that SUPER BROKEN 3++ with no rerolls.

Totally agree with you.
This ban list is 100% chosen wrongly
and it is considered from personal wants and beliefs. Its incomplete and its whole point nerfs chaos overall and let tau and eldar rule the top tier. It reminds the way GW treats some codexes. GJ

As sad as I am to see some of these rules changes/restrictions, I am actually glad someone is stepping up to the plate to address issues that GW has chose to ignore. We are not sheep following a blind shepard. We need to start making decisions ourselves in regards to how we want to run or play in our tournaments. That's right. GW isn't doing jack for the tournament scene. Why must we show them such fierce loyalty and follow their broken rules to the T, these rules with obviously little regard for any balance at all. Time to dictate the terms of our own tournaments, not GW's.

 jy2 wrote:
As sad as I am to see some of these rules changes/restrictions, I am actually glad someone is stepping up to the plate to address issues that GW has chose to ignore. We are not sheep following a blind shepard. We need to start making decisions ourselves in regards to how we want to run or play in our tournaments. That's right. GW isn't doing jack for the tournament scene. Why must we show them such fierce loyalty and follow their broken rules to the T, these rules with obviously little regard for any balance at all. Time to dictate the terms of our own tournaments, not GW's.

So do you or not agree with the ban list?

I love the fact that all the naysayers are ignoring the line that read "This is a living document". It isn't set in stone, it hasn't been handed down to Moses from God, it isn't the Constitution. Its a work in progress. I am sure this will be tested a lot in the next 10 months in the run up to the FOB. Chill out folks.

slaede wrote:
I'm going to go on the record by saying banning the Grimoire and limiting psychic mastery levels in an army is both unfair and wrong-headed. You completely destroy almost any viable Daemon build. Hell, the reason Chaos doesn't get a lot of the stuff other armies get is because they have more psychic powers available to them than most.

Also, they seem overly concerned about triple Heldrake armies, which are a terrible build, and haven't won anything. Are they as concerned about O'vesa stars, Jetseers, Wave Serpent spam, quad Riptides and bike spam and such as they seem to be about Chaos? Because these are the armies I worry about when I write a tournament list. I'd laugh if I saw three Heldrakes across the table from me below 2k points.

They're looking to eliminate both overpowered and unfun builds.

3x Helldrakes isn't fun. As they say, they obliterate a huge number of otherwise possible builds. If they make the Helldrake 0-1, then viola, a huge number of otherwise possible builds could become possible again.

Ditto to the guy saying "Screamercouncil has never won a tournament" - it's still made the game gak for a lot of people on it's journey to second place.

 jy2 wrote:
As sad as I am to see some of these rules changes/restrictions, I am actually glad someone is stepping up to the plate to address issues that GW has chose to ignore. We are not sheep following a blind shepard. We need to start making decisions ourselves in regards to how we want to run or play in our tournaments. That's right. GW isn't doing jack for the tournament scene. Why must we show them such fierce loyalty and follow their broken rules to the T, these rules with obviously little regard for any balance at all. Time to dictate the terms of our own tournaments, not GW's.

This.

I like where this is going, it's renewed my old enthusiam for the game which had been dead for a long time.

Even if FoB's comp turns out to be sucky (and I'm not saying it will, I like the look of it), they'll still have opened the way for other comps to come forward and then maybe a good one will appear.

I think this is definitely a step in the right direction. It will take a lot of work and testing to figure out the right formula but honestly this was a long time coming.

I am not a fan of banning the grimoire outright because you guys are correct that CD suffer in the current meta without it. However the meta will change drastically with these limitations. It is hard to predict without knowing the 0-1 limitations, etc.

Just another reason for not feasting for blades.

 Dakkamite wrote:


They're looking to eliminate both overpowered and unfun builds.

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Oh so long as "fun" is the metric we're using here. Ridiculous. Fun is entirely subjective. I think playing against 3 Drakes is fun, because it's an easy win. I hate playing against tons of Wave Serpents and think it's unfun, it looks like that will still be valid under this comp system.

I agree the game has problems, and I'm glad to see an attempt to fix them. But "fun" is not the barometer of what should be banned. You might as well say "we're only letting the most awesome armies in" Entirely subjective and effectively nonsense.

And removing Grimoire rather than just addressing the problem of a rerollable 2++ is a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It makes it hard for me to take this seriously. Point 1 may as well be "we don't like Codex Daemons, it's not allowed"

 anonymou5 wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:


They're looking to eliminate both overpowered and unfun builds.

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Oh so long as "fun" is the metric we're using here. Ridiculous. Fun is entirely subjective. I think playing against 3 Drakes is fun, because it's an easy win. I hate playing against tons of Wave Serpents and think it's unfun, it looks like that will still be valid under this comp system.

I agree the game has problems, and I'm glad to see an attempt to fix them. But "fun" is not the barometer of what should be banned. You might as well say "we're only letting the most awesome armies in" Entirely subjective and effectively nonsense.

And removing Grimoire rather than just addressing the problem of a rerollable 2++ is a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It makes it hard for me to take this seriously. Point 1 may as well be "we don't like Codex Daemons, it's not allowed"

Yes and yes. Ofc they dislike daemons. And as you are it's not reason to ban for a tournament whatever is not fun. Instead of tournament name it a friendly gathering for beers.

They're looking to eliminate both overpowered and unfun builds.

3x Helldrakes isn't fun. As they say, they obliterate a huge number of otherwise possible builds. If they make the Helldrake 0-1, then viola, a huge number of otherwise possible builds could become possible again.

Ditto to the guy saying "Screamercouncil has never won a tournament" - it's still made the game gak for a lot of people on it's journey to second place.

Like others have said, fun is subjective. What you're really saying is, they've banned something that isn't MY KIND OF FUN. Problem here is that Demons and CSM have a truly limited number of actual competitive options and you basically just removed those from play. If a TO truly feels something is broken, they need to fix it WITHOUT seriously harming the army as a whole.

What if someone wanted to play nurgle and slaanesh CD or hounds? You still ban grimoire, and these lists lose the possibility for 3++
Just because only FW and LoC and screamerstar get the 2++. How fair and convenient.

Looks like I may need to attend a tournament. Thank goodness someone is going to take the reigns here and attempt to fix something that doesn't work.

Yeah, you're going to get complaints from SOME gamers, but I feel the vast majority will shake your hand for this. I know that I would.

I can't wait to see how this develops, the more the merrier, I'd imagine the 0-1 treatment to get slapped on Riptides, Wraithknights, and possibly Helldrakes.

Vote with your dollars, people. I didn't go back to this tournament last year because I had a terrible time the year prior.

What kind of a ban list ruins all Chaos armies out there and presumably a big portion of Necron builds, but doesn't do a damn thing to stop Buffmanders, Serpents, Riptides, BATTLE BROTHERS, etc.

Seriously, all because you cant figure out how to kill a Deathstar that has to get into tarpit range to be effective?

Someone must have a major hard on for the Imperium.

P.S. I told you TOs would never agree on anything. No way Frontline/Nova/Adepticon support this bulldookie.