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2013/12/19 22:19:26
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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 Psienesis wrote:LightKing wrote: Psienesis wrote:LightKing wrote: Melissia wrote:Many of them are beyond that level in terms of raw, biological durability.
A primarch couldn't survive decapitation, but a warboss could 
Frankly, this entire discussion is silly; my only point was that firepower makes a HUGE impact in equalizing Sisters and Space Marines. Even Guardsmen to some extent.
lol..i would like to see a sister 1 on 1 go up against Magnus who destroys her with his psyker ability
She makes her DTW, his Psychic powers play the sad trombone, and then she delivers a Condemnor-pattern blessed crossbow stake to his eye, and he's gone.
so in your opinion a sister is more powerful then a primarch 1 on 1....
/facepalm
Do you not understand how this works? The Sister of Battle is protected through her faith in the God-Emperor of Mankind. Is Magnus stronger than the Emperor? Feth no. That's a known quantity.
You know who seems to have the Sisters' backs? The God-Emperor, Himself.
The Sister can channel her faith into truly miraculous events.... miracles like standing in the midst of Magnus' psychic freak-out unharmed and untouched, because she is pure of faith, and is sheltered by the hand of the God-Emperor Himself. Then, her blessed, psyker-killing weapon comes into play, and because Magnus is a fething huge dude with a fething huge target on his forehead that a child could shoot, she puts a psyker-killing crossbow bolt into his dome. Magnus falls down and "dies". It's a miracle! True David vs Goliath story here. Sister Davidia gets Sainted for this.
Could Magnus, in other circumstances, wipe out scores of Sisters with psychic powers because they didn't get a chance to say their prayers? Sure.
What I'm really trying to say here is that none of these fights are as straight-forward or clear-cut as you seem to think they would be.
when i say combat, i mean close combat H2H, melee...
a sister 1 on 1 could not beat Angron. Automatically Appended Next Post: thats what i meant the whole time when i meant combat...i meant H2H/melee
since weapons= fights......
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2013/12/19 22:20:53
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:I believe power armour is able to deflect a chainsword to some degree, but the Marine would, under normal conditions, be able to strike harder, faster, in a more skilled way, and be more resistant to the damage suffered (Say, concussion damage from being smacked with a chainsword that fails to penetrate)
GW has never been consistent about the skill, speed, or power of either Sisters or Space Marines-- or the protective nature of power armor vs the cutting power of a chainsword, for that matter. But I would assert that both of them are equally skilled; the Sister presents a smaller target and has a far better chance to be preternaturally lucky due to Acts of Faith, while the Space Marine has more raw physical power. The outcome would be roughly fifty fifty in my mind.
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2013/12/19 22:22:05
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Stop moving the goal posts.
But why would any moron rush him in hand to hand? There's 40,000 years of technological development put into warfare in these battlefields. Why would the Sisters not take advantage of the extremely-high-quality wargear they are provided with? Blessed bolter ammunition and sacred flamer fuel? Immolator Tanks and Exorcist Tanks? Gunships and spaceships?
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2013/12/19 22:22:11
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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 Void__Dragon wrote: da001 wrote:
At the risk of being stoned to death by fanboys, I am contesting this.
Fanboys? Try reasonably people. (...) And he wasn't a psyker? He was explicitly stated to be the most powerful adept/psyker in the Word Bearers short of post-Isvtaan V Lorgar. Even if that was only the result of sorcery, he still is probably the single most powerful combatant in 30k that isn't a Primarch. (...)
Ouch.
Kor Phaeron was no psyker. A psyker is a mutant (not entirely human) who is born with power. When Lorgar came to Colchis, Kor Phaeron was an old man whose only powers were reading books and having faith. And Luther is a similar case.
And yes, they got help. But so did the marines with the augmentations and psico-indoctrinations. And the Primarchs were BORN that powerful. Which is... far less impressive that what Kor Phaeron and Luther achieved being just "puny humans".
Humans can kick ass in the setting. In many ways, Sisters, Commissars and perhaps Assassins and Psykers (if they can be considered still humans) are examples of this.
LightKing wrote:So now Sister fanboys are saying that a battle sister would beat a primarch?
What? Do you mean me? I am a Sister fanboy because I pointed out that Luther and Kor Phaeron gave Primarchs a run for their money?
Wow.
Read my post again. Actually, it is not the first time I mention to you that, in the setting, mere humans can achieve amazing deeds.
BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Because big armour is badass. And I think it would look really good. /shrug
(...)
Not all of the sisters of course, just as an elite unit.
Look at this: http://hitechminiatures.com/null/product/info/116
Sexy
LightKing wrote:
the only time primarchs are ever defeated are by highly exceptional marines/psykers or chaos amped marines
Or humans. 
Or their own insanity / psychological problems / teen angst.
BrotherHaraldus wrote:Melissia is technically correct...
...Though didn't Lorgar survive a Plasma Blastgun shot? 
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Barely. He got badly wounded and would have died if not helped by Angron, no less.
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Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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2013/12/19 22:24:04
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Melissia wrote: BrotherHaraldus wrote:I believe power armour is able to deflect a chainsword to some degree, but the Marine would, under normal conditions, be able to strike harder, faster, in a more skilled way, and be more resistant to the damage suffered (Say, concussion damage from being smacked with a chainsword that fails to penetrate)
GW has never been consistent about the skill, speed, or power of either Sisters or Space Marines-- or the protective nature of power armor vs the cutting power of a chainsword, for that matter. But I would assert that both of them are equally skilled; the Sister presents a smaller target and has a far better chance to be preternaturally lucky due to Acts of Faith, while the Space Marine has more raw physical power. The outcome would be roughly fifty fifty in my mind.
Melissia, i want to apologize for calling you out...... and everyone else, i just get heated in these debates, but when i meant combat, i meant single combat 1 on 1 H2H/Melee..
i didnt mean "Meltaguns" or bolters.... since that would equalize things...
the fact of the matter is a sister could not beat a primarch in H2H/Melee...... and yes of course fluff is incosistent with the primarchs just like their is inconsisties with the sisters and every other fiction
Thanos in Marvel got arrested by city cops..... the Black Panther put the Silver Surfer in an armbar, but most comic book fans wouldn't say BB beats SS..... using logic of their abilities
Automatically Appended Next Post: da001 wrote: Void__Dragon wrote: da001 wrote:
At the risk of being stoned to death by fanboys, I am contesting this.
Fanboys? Try reasonably people. (...) And he wasn't a psyker? He was explicitly stated to be the most powerful adept/psyker in the Word Bearers short of post-Isvtaan V Lorgar. Even if that was only the result of sorcery, he still is probably the single most powerful combatant in 30k that isn't a Primarch. (...)
Ouch.
Kor Phaeron was no psyker. A psyker is a mutant (not entirely human) who is born with power. When Lorgar came to Colchis, Kor Phaeron was an old man whose only powers were reading books and having faith. And Luther is a similar case.
And yes, they got help. But so did the marines with the augmentations and psico-indoctrinations. And the Primarchs were BORN that powerful. Which is... far less impressive that what Kor Phaeron and Luther achieved being just "puny humans".
Humans can kick ass in the setting. In many ways, Sisters, Commissars and perhaps Assassins and Psykers (if they can be considered still humans) are examples of this.
LightKing wrote:So now Sister fanboys are saying that a battle sister would beat a primarch?
What? Do you mean me? I am a Sister fanboy because I pointed out that Luther and Kor Phaeron gave Primarchs a run for their money?
Wow.
Read my post again. Actually, it is not the first time I mention to you that, in the setting, mere humans can achieve amazing deeds.
BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Because big armour is badass. And I think it would look really good. /shrug
(...)
Not all of the sisters of course, just as an elite unit.
Look at this: http://hitechminiatures.com/null/product/info/116
Sexy
LightKing wrote:
the only time primarchs are ever defeated are by highly exceptional marines/psykers or chaos amped marines
Or humans.
Or their own insanity / psychological problems / teen angst.
BrotherHaraldus wrote:Melissia is technically correct...
...Though didn't Lorgar survive a Plasma Blastgun shot?
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Barely. He got badly wounded and would have died if not helped by Angron, no less.
the only time humans beat primarchs, are through chaos amped powers
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2013/12/19 22:26:15
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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No gak a Sister couldn't beat a Primarch in hand-to-hand. Most things couldn't.
Basic humans couldn't beat a bear in hand to hand combat, that's why we invented spears.
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2013/12/19 22:26:52
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Psienesis wrote:No gak a Sister couldn't beat a Primarch in hand-to-hand. Most things couldn't.
Basic humans couldn't beat a bear in hand to hand combat, that's why we invented spears.
thats what i was trying to get across..........
but even then a primarch/ w a melta gun vs. a sister/w a meltagun would still have superior advantages
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2013/12/19 22:27:41
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Melissia wrote:Not really, because all it takes is a single blow for either of them to die, meaning... both of them are effectively equal.
Just like how it doesn't matter how big your muscles are when you're being mowed down by a heavy machinegun.
Bolter rounds dont do gak to power armor and in the HH marines take Bolter wounds like normal gun wounds. Notice how bolsters are AP:5? Yeah that's meant to represent the above.
Sanguinius held off the ground invasion force at the palace of 10's of thousands of traitor marines and countless demons for multiple days....
I forget the quote but in "Fear to Tread" chaos marines taking part in the assault describe him as untouchable, and having his every movement blurred.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
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2013/12/19 22:28:49
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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No one but you has been talking about only hand to hand combat, but okay. Even then I would still assert that someone with an inferno pistol or meltagun would stand a chance of killing a primarch in close combat. Don't forget, that just because someone is close to you doesn't mean your gun won't fire. In modern warfare, the best close combat weapons aren't swords, they're shotguns, SMGs, and assault rifles, and for good reason. This is science fiction we're talking about. Firepower is HUGE. This is why the fact that Marines wield boltguns over lasguns is so important-- because boltguns pack so much more firepower than a lasgun that it's not funny. A human or space marine might survive a dozen lasgun shots penetrating their armor, if they're lucky (they won't likely be getting up any time soon though). A human or space marine might survive one or two boltgun shots, again if they're lucky (and they will likely be crippled and require prosthetics/cybernetics). Even a Space Marine will be killed by a single bolter shell exploding in their chest cavity. No.
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2013/12/19 22:30:52
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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LightKing wrote:the fact of the matter is a sister could not beat a primarch in H2H/Melee......
And probably not even a "regular" space marine, unless it's Sister Superior with a Power Weapon against a normal Tactical Squad marine. But for basic troops a SoB squad has every chance to beat a basic Tac squad - if they get to shoot it first. I once wiped out nine marines from a TacSquad + Captain with one SoB squad shooting, and the Captain had to take a couple wounds too in order to keep the special weapon marine alive. Then they died in CC - the marine to overwatch while charging, the Captain due to being swamped in Sisters.
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2013/12/19 22:34:11
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Psienesis wrote:Sure. Primarch steps up...
... and then his head (as well as most of his upper torso) vanishes in the "FWEEEOOSH" of a melta.
Those are weapons designed to melt tanks. Melting a Primarch is not a big deal for one.
Primarchs are much tougher than tanks.
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2013/12/19 22:35:28
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Dorn died in a boarding action and Rowboat's head is falling off his shoulders from a sword-wound.
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2013/12/19 22:35:39
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Psienesis wrote:
She makes her DTW, his Psychic powers play the sad trombone, and then she delivers a Condemnor-pattern blessed crossbow stake to his eye, and he's gone.
Explain how she denies someone that can kill hundreds of Space Wolves with a glance, lol. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Do tell me what killed Rogal Dorn. Please, by all means, do so.
and Rowboat's head is falling off his shoulders from a sword-wound.
Wielded by a Daemon Primarch.
Do you know the definition of the word context?
Fulgrim was cutting tanks in half before he was ever a Daemon.
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2013/12/19 22:36:57
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Psienesis wrote:Dorn died in a boarding action and Rowboat's head is falling off his shoulders from a sword-wound.
ok? thats what we call bad fluff/bad writing or PIS (plot-indused stupidity)
Thanos The Mad Titan was arrested by beat cops and put into handcuffs...
so does that mean a cop could beat Thanos?
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2013/12/19 22:37:20
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Morphing Obliterator
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A warboss nearly killed the Emperor during the Heresy.
He was saved in extremis by.... his beloved son Horus.
Melissia wrote:LightKing wrote:Primarchs are able to single handily mow down Marines, left and right
So are warbosses, but the Imperium still manages to take them down regularly without needing to call the Astartes in.
seriously you think a sister could 1 on 1 beat angron? or horus? or sanguinius? you honestly believe that
Melissia didn´t say that...
LightKing wrote:its sad that their actually trying to argue that a sister could best a primarch in single close combat
LightKing wrote:so in your opinion a sister is more powerful then a primarch 1 on 1....
LightKing wrote:look of course primarchs arn't gods... they have weaknesses as well...
but when people like melissa and psinesis are sayign a battle sister can beat a primarch 1 on 1..then you know their trolling
They didn´t say that.
LightKing wrote:
nope according to psinesis, whos been playing for over 20+ years...a battle sister can beat a primarch 1 on 1
Psinesis didn´t say that.
LightKing wrote:MarsNZ wrote:Guardsmen can also utilise melta, therefore they are the galaxies greatest soldiers.
Thread always reaches a new level of silly once Melissa brings her unique brand of reasoning.
lol LMFAO
Troll? Sounds like a troll.
LightKing wrote:Melissia, i want to apologize for calling you out...... and everyone else, i just get heated in these debates, but when i meant combat, i meant single combat 1 on 1 H2H/Melee..
i didnt mean "Meltaguns" or bolters.... since that would equalize things...
the fact of the matter is a sister could not beat a primarch in H2H/Melee...... and yes of course fluff is incosistent with the primarchs just like their is inconsisties with the sisters and every other fiction
Thanos in Marvel got arrested by city cops..... the Black Panther put the Silver Surfer in an armbar, but most comic book fans wouldn't say BB beats SS..... using logic of their abilities
Well said! It is the first time in a while I enjoy reading what you write. However, I don´t get why anyone should get so heated with a debate about fictional characters.
As you just said, being among the most powerful entities in any setting (in this case, Primarchs) does not mean an instant victory. What would be the point then?
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Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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2013/12/19 22:37:40
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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2013/12/19 22:38:36
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Because the primarchs, who were living beings with bodies made of flesh, meaty organs, and bone (and probably way too much muscle, but I digress), were capable of receiving grievous injuries instead of being unstoppable boring gods, it's "bad writing"?
I'm not sure I want to read what you consider "good writing".
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2013/12/19 22:39:54
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Melissia wrote:No one but you has been talking about only hand to hand combat, but okay.
Even then I would still assert that someone with an inferno pistol or meltagun would stand a chance of killing a primarch in close combat. Don't forget, that just because someone is close to you doesn't mean your gun won't fire. In modern warfare, the best close combat weapons aren't swords, they're shotguns, SMGs, and assault rifles, and for good reason.
This is science fiction we're talking about. Firepower is HUGE. This is why the fact that Marines wield boltguns over lasguns is so important-- because boltguns pack so much more firepower than a lasgun that it's not funny. A human or space marine might survive a dozen lasgun shots penetrating their armor, if they're lucky (they won't likely be getting up any time soon though). A human or space marine might survive one or two boltgun shots, again if they're lucky (and they will likely be crippled and require prosthetics/cybernetics).
Even a Space Marine will be killed by a single bolter shell exploding in their chest cavity.
No.
Okay now at this point, this is obviously trolling with the only answer being "No...."
Regardless the mythos makes a constant point that marines aren't really human anymore. And they aren't for a variety of reasons. Scientifically they aren't due to the presence of two of every organ, and a vastly different muscle structure, and achieving heights than any human with any form of gigantism could never reach.
Lorgar, the weakest primarch took titan plasma weaponry to the face and survived. I really doubt melta is going to do much of anything.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/19 22:40:31
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Psienesis wrote:
/facepalm
Do you not understand how this works? The Sister of Battle is protected through her faith in the God-Emperor of Mankind. Is Magnus stronger than the Emperor? Feth no. That's a known quantity.
You know who seems to have the Sisters' backs? The God-Emperor, Himself.
The Sister can channel her faith into truly miraculous events.... miracles like standing in the midst of Magnus' psychic freak-out unharmed and untouched, because she is pure of faith, and is sheltered by the hand of the God-Emperor Himself. Then, her blessed, psyker-killing weapon comes into play, and because Magnus is a fething huge dude with a fething huge target on his forehead that a child could shoot, she puts a psyker-killing crossbow bolt into his dome. Magnus falls down and "dies". It's a miracle! True David vs Goliath story here. Sister Davidia gets Sainted for this.
Could Magnus, in other circumstances, wipe out scores of Sisters with psychic powers because they didn't get a chance to say their prayers? Sure.
What I'm really trying to say here is that none of these fights are as straight-forward or clear-cut as you seem to think they would be.
Magnus would catch the bolt before it hit him in any story not written by Bill King, lol.
They are pretty straight-forward, to be honest.
Magnus is much more powerful than any Sister of Battle. Even Celestine. He could destroy entire convents with a single spell.
That faith you are talking about didn't protect them from the Sons of Malice, or the Necrons, lol.
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2013/12/19 22:41:15
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Melissia wrote:Because the primarchs, who were living beings with bodies made of flesh, meaty organs, and bone (and probably way too much muscle, but I digress), were capable of receiving grievous injuries instead of being unstoppable boring gods, it's "bad writing"?
I'm not sure I want to read what you consider "good writing".
yes, because the way GW intended to write the Primarchs, were suppose to be superior to any other human...and to lead the imperium's army into battle...... in general
again i use my Thanos example, a mad titan, who has took on the Hulk and beat him up... got arrested by city cops...yes their is such thing as bad writing or PIS that goes against the power levels of what the creators intended that character to be Automatically Appended Next Post: in one of the old cartoons, Superman got beat up by a baby gorilla..... but most comic book fans through reason and logic would say superman is stronger then a gorilla
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2013/12/19 22:43:22
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LightKing wrote:yes, because the way GW intended to write the Primarchs, were suppose to be superior to any other human
They weren't at all human to begin with. But regardless, inevitably, every single primarch was intended to fall or fail in some way or other. They were INTENDED to fail. Not by the Emperor mind you-- but by Games Workshop. History wasn't going to change. The Primarchs had always fallen and failed in GW lore. Either they will fall to Chaos or they will fall in combat.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2013/12/19 22:44:21
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Melissia wrote:Because the primarchs, who were living beings with bodies made of flesh, meaty organs, and bone (and probably way too much muscle, but I digress), were capable of receiving grievous injuries instead of being unstoppable boring gods, it's "bad writing"?
I'm not sure I want to read what you consider "good writing".
Okay they are not invincible. They are simply the most dangerous ground force in 40k excluding only titans bigger than reavers.
It's the above that you have trouble accepting.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/19 22:45:19
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Melissia wrote:LightKing wrote:yes, because the way GW intended to write the Primarchs, were suppose to be superior to any other human
They weren't at all human to begin with. But regardless, inevitably, every single primarch was intended to fall fail in some way or other.
They were INTENDED to fail. Not by the Emperor mind you-- but by Games Workshop. History wasn't going to change. The Primarchs had always fallen and failed in GW lore.
well their are theories with that, theories of the primarchs personality flaws being that the emperor used chaos magic to create them....but the fact of the matter is, their is bad writing or PIS
if i write a comic about superman being beat up by a rottweiler....does that mean superman is weaker then a rottweiler? come on....
comics fans would laugh me out the building
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2013/12/19 22:46:03
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Void__Dragon wrote: Psienesis wrote:
/facepalm
Do you not understand how this works? The Sister of Battle is protected through her faith in the God-Emperor of Mankind. Is Magnus stronger than the Emperor? Feth no. That's a known quantity.
You know who seems to have the Sisters' backs? The God-Emperor, Himself.
The Sister can channel her faith into truly miraculous events.... miracles like standing in the midst of Magnus' psychic freak-out unharmed and untouched, because she is pure of faith, and is sheltered by the hand of the God-Emperor Himself. Then, her blessed, psyker-killing weapon comes into play, and because Magnus is a fething huge dude with a fething huge target on his forehead that a child could shoot, she puts a psyker-killing crossbow bolt into his dome. Magnus falls down and "dies". It's a miracle! True David vs Goliath story here. Sister Davidia gets Sainted for this.
Could Magnus, in other circumstances, wipe out scores of Sisters with psychic powers because they didn't get a chance to say their prayers? Sure.
What I'm really trying to say here is that none of these fights are as straight-forward or clear-cut as you seem to think they would be.
Magnus would catch the bolt before it hit him in any story not written by Bill King, lol.
They are pretty straight-forward, to be honest.
Magnus is much more powerful than any Sister of Battle. Even Celestine. He could destroy entire convents with a single spell.
That faith you are talking about didn't protect them from the Sons of Malice, or the Necrons, lol.
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2013/12/19 22:47:32
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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The Primarchs aren't equivalent to Superman, not even remotely close. And Sisters of Battle are not equivalent to dogs.
But now that we're at the point where we're comparing women characters to dogs, I'm going to go over there and ignore the hell out of this thread.
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2013/12/19 22:48:29
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Melissia wrote:The Primarchs aren't equivalent to Superman, not even remotely close. And Sisters of Battle are not equivalent to dogs.
But now that we're at the point where we're comparing women characters to dogs, I'm going to go over there and ignore the hell out of this thread.
oh come on... you know what i meant..... a primarch isn't superman power levels, but was much more powerful then a human......
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2013/12/19 22:50:10
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Melissia wrote:The Primarchs aren't equivalent to Superman, not even remotely close. And Sisters of Battle are not equivalent to dogs.
But now that we're at the point where we're comparing women characters to dogs, I'm going to go over there and ignore the hell out of this thread.
Actually Angron's feats throughout the HH would put him as being stronger than Frank Miller's Superman in The Dark Knight Returns. That Superman had trouble throwing heavy tanks.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/19 22:51:17
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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 ThePrimordial wrote: Melissia wrote:The Primarchs aren't equivalent to Superman, not even remotely close. And Sisters of Battle are not equivalent to dogs.
But now that we're at the point where we're comparing women characters to dogs, I'm going to go over there and ignore the hell out of this thread.
Actually Angron's feats throughout the HH would put him as being stronger than Frank Miller's Superman in The Dark Knight Returns. That Superman had trouble throwing heavy tanks.
lol, and melissa should know what i meant, i wasn't comparing SOB to dogs, but i was using an example of bad writing that goes against the power levels of what the character was intended to be
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2013/12/19 22:53:50
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Excepting... they weren't.
Some of the Primarchs died to purely conventional weapons.
We don't even know the name of the Chaos-aligned midshipman who punched Dorn's ticket. We don't know the name of the pasty point-ear who slapped Khan in chains. Jonson was felled by the psychic attack of a regular dude.
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2013/12/19 22:54:43
Subject: so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine
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Psienesis wrote:Excepting... they weren't.
Some of the Primarchs died to purely conventional weapons.
We don't even know the name of the Chaos-aligned midshipman who punched Dorn's ticket. We don't know the name of the pasty point-ear who slapped Khan in chains. Jonson was felled by the psychic attack of a regular dude.
except all those dudes were amped by chaos Automatically Appended Next Post: Lorgar beat the Lion, but was amped by chaos
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