You cannot take Warlocks in an allied Eldar detachment?

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**Sir Arun**

Am I reading this correctly?

**Mr Morden**

Where are you reading it?

**Quanar**

As it currently stands, yes, you cannot take Warlocks in an Allied detachment.

Why GW chose to put in that rule I do not know, it's a bit weird.

**Happyjew**

Because warlocks are OP.

**Mr Morden**

Is this in the Eldar Codex?

**B0B MaRlEy**

Mr Morden wrote:
Is this in the Eldar Codex?

This is due to how the amount of warlocks you can get is worded in the army list

**Sir Arun**

Yep. Says in the Eldar codex that they can only be included in your primary detachment.

Happyjew wrote:
Because warlocks are OP.

I hope you are joking

**Aijec**

Sir Arun wrote:
Yep. Says in the Eldar codex that they can only be included in your primary detachment.

Happyjew wrote:
Because warlocks are OP.

I hope you are joking

One of the most competitive armies is based around having 6+ warlocks and pouring points into said units, Idk if they're OP per say but some would argue so.

I would call the codex in it's entirety, unbalanced.

This rule is weird indeed, generally Kelly's books are well written detail wise.

**Elric Greywolf**

Daemon Heralds can only be taken in a Primary Detachment. Maybe it's a trend?

**CrownAxe**

Elric Greywolf wrote:
Daemon Heralds can only be taken in a Primary Detachment. Maybe it's a trend?

No, You can only take 4 Daemon Heralds in a single HQ slot in a primary detachment. You only get 1 herald for the HQ slot if its allied

**Sir Arun**

Aijec wrote:
One of the most competitive armies is based around having 6+ warlocks and pouring points into said units, Idk if they're OP per say but some would argue so.

A costly model with AP - in melee and LD 8 taking psychic tests and if it suffers perils of the warp, being immediately removed from the table? I think not.

**Aijec**

Sir Arun wrote:
Aijec wrote:
One of the most competitive armies is based around having 6+ warlocks and pouring points into said units, Idk if they're OP per say but some would argue so.

A costly model with AP - in melee and LD 8 taking psychic tests and if it suffers perils of the warp, being immediately removed from the table? I think not.

Your literally arguing vs everyone thats ever played vs a SeerStar but ok.

**Sir Arun**

Seerstars used to be the shizz in the old Eldar codex, when warlocks didnt have to test, and especially in the previous edition when you could pick your psychic powers and assault out of stationary transports.

Now the star is only useful if they're all on jetbikes, and then you are looking at 50 points per model that's a conversion.

**Fragile**

Sir Arun wrote:
Seerstars used to be the shizz in the old Eldar codex, when warlocks didnt have to test, and especially in the previous edition when you could pick your psychic powers and assault out of stationary transports.

Now the star is only useful if they're all on jetbikes, and then you are looking at 50 points per model that's a conversion.

Yes, and those jetbikes with 2+ rerollable cover saves, 2/3+ rerollable armor saves, 4+ rerollable invul saves, fleshbane/armorbane, bladestorm weapons and incredible mobility, make them extremely nasty

**Elric Greywolf**

CrownAxe wrote:
Elric Greywolf wrote:
Daemon Heralds can only be taken in a Primary Detachment. Maybe it's a trend?

No, You can only take 4 Daemon Heralds in a single HQ slot in a primary detachment. You only get 1 herald for the HQ slot if its allied

The rule says, "Each primary detachment in your army may include up to four Heralds of Chaos, chosen in any combination...." I see permission to take Heralds in a Primary Detachment. Show permission to take any number in an Allied Detachment.

**Pyrian**

I have permission to take one HQ in an allied detachment, and no rule prevents that from being a herald.

**Elric Greywolf**

...except for the rule that specifically states which detachment(s) a Herald may be taken in. This rule leaves out Allied, and includes only Primary.

Of course, as a Daemon player, I'd be happy to have more tactical options...but I don't see anything to convince me that my interpretation is false.

**nosferatu1001**

The lack of the word "only" is the issue there.

I can select any hq model as my hq in any detachment, in a primary one I have an additional permission wrt heralds.

You're taking a permission and making a restriction out of it

**Pyrian**

Elric Greywolf wrote:
...except for the rule that specifically states which detachment(s) a Herald may be taken in.

It says nothing of the kind. The rule modifies primary detachments - that's all. Non-primary detachments use the normal rules because nothing says they don't.