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Am I reading this correctly?

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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Where are you reading it?

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As it currently stands, yes, you cannot take Warlocks in an Allied detachment.

Why GW chose to put in that rule I do not know, it's a bit weird.
   
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Because warlocks are OP.

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Is this in the Eldar Codex?

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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Is this in the Eldar Codex?

This is due to how the amount of warlocks you can get is worded in the army list
   
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Yep. Says in the Eldar codex that they can only be included in your primary detachment.

 Happyjew wrote:
Because warlocks are OP.


I hope you are joking

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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 Sir Arun wrote:
Yep. Says in the Eldar codex that they can only be included in your primary detachment.

 Happyjew wrote:
Because warlocks are OP.


I hope you are joking



One of the most competitive armies is based around having 6+ warlocks and pouring points into said units, Idk if they're OP per say but some would argue so.

I would call the codex in it's entirety, unbalanced.

This rule is weird indeed, generally Kelly's books are well written detail wise.

hey what time is it?

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Daemon Heralds can only be taken in a Primary Detachment. Maybe it's a trend?

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Daemon Heralds can only be taken in a Primary Detachment. Maybe it's a trend?

No, You can only take 4 Daemon Heralds in a single HQ slot in a primary detachment. You only get 1 herald for the HQ slot if its allied
   
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 Aijec wrote:
One of the most competitive armies is based around having 6+ warlocks and pouring points into said units, Idk if they're OP per say but some would argue so.


A costly model with AP - in melee and LD 8 taking psychic tests and if it suffers perils of the warp, being immediately removed from the table? I think not.

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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 Sir Arun wrote:
 Aijec wrote:
One of the most competitive armies is based around having 6+ warlocks and pouring points into said units, Idk if they're OP per say but some would argue so.


A costly model with AP - in melee and LD 8 taking psychic tests and if it suffers perils of the warp, being immediately removed from the table? I think not.


Your literally arguing vs everyone thats ever played vs a SeerStar but ok.

hey what time is it?

"Try looking on page 12 of the FAQ."

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Seerstars used to be the shizz in the old Eldar codex, when warlocks didnt have to test, and especially in the previous edition when you could pick your psychic powers and assault out of stationary transports.

Now the star is only useful if they're all on jetbikes, and then you are looking at 50 points per model that's a conversion.

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 Ravenous D wrote:
40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote:
GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
 
   
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 Sir Arun wrote:
Seerstars used to be the shizz in the old Eldar codex, when warlocks didnt have to test, and especially in the previous edition when you could pick your psychic powers and assault out of stationary transports.

Now the star is only useful if they're all on jetbikes, and then you are looking at 50 points per model that's a conversion.


Yes, and those jetbikes with 2+ rerollable cover saves, 2/3+ rerollable armor saves, 4+ rerollable invul saves, fleshbane/armorbane, bladestorm weapons and incredible mobility, make them extremely nasty
   
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 CrownAxe wrote:
 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Daemon Heralds can only be taken in a Primary Detachment. Maybe it's a trend?

No, You can only take 4 Daemon Heralds in a single HQ slot in a primary detachment. You only get 1 herald for the HQ slot if its allied


The rule says, "Each primary detachment in your army may include up to four Heralds of Chaos, chosen in any combination...." I see permission to take Heralds in a Primary Detachment. Show permission to take any number in an Allied Detachment.

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I have permission to take one HQ in an allied detachment, and no rule prevents that from being a herald.
   
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...except for the rule that specifically states which detachment(s) a Herald may be taken in. This rule leaves out Allied, and includes only Primary.

Of course, as a Daemon player, I'd be happy to have more tactical options...but I don't see anything to convince me that my interpretation is false.

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"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 
   
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The lack of the word "only" is the issue there.

I can select any hq model as my hq in any detachment, in a primary one I have an additional permission wrt heralds.

You're taking a permission and making a restriction out of it
   
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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
...except for the rule that specifically states which detachment(s) a Herald may be taken in.
It says nothing of the kind. The rule modifies primary detachments - that's all. Non-primary detachments use the normal rules because nothing says they don't.
   
 
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