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Well, ive been buying necrons now since 6th edition was released, and have only just now started taking them seriously, what with the crypteks and c'tan. Anyway, this is a 1.5k list for my upcoming games against my storm shield spamming friends. (d weapons.... Hehehe). Anyway, here it is, any advice would be great.

hq:
Anrakyr the traveller 165pts
Royal court: 160pts
1 despairtek, with veil of darkness and an abyssal staff
4 stormteks with voltaic staffs
troops:
7 warriors 91pts
7 warriors 91pts
7 warriors 91pts
7 warriors 91pts
7 warriors 91pts
lord of war:
transcendent c'tan 720pts
with transliminal slide, cosmic fire and wave of withering

anyway, that's the list, i make it out to be 1500pts on the nose.
if any of the upgrade names are wrong, its because i haven't got the books to hand atm.


Well, put anrakyr in with the royal court, and deploy in a "safe" area on the board. With the 5 squads of warriors spread out evenly in your deployment zone. Then, use the veil of darkness to deepstrike this unit as near to an enemies superheavy as possible. Use anrakyrs mind in the machine rule to control the enemies lord of wars weapons in your shooting phase, followed by the 4 stormteks using the voltaic staffs to score on average (math hammer time) 8.88 structure points of loss in a turn, leaving a destroyed, or very damaged superheavy, that shouldn't cause a problem in the later stages of the game. Then move the c'tan into position with that huge 18 inch move, flaming everything in its path. The 5 squads of necron warriors, stay back, so as to leave the c'tans flamers ample room. Although i would attempt to move them forward into an effective firing line. Well that's basically it, the rest is self explanatory.

the only reason this is only1.5k, is because, in still relatively new to crons, and am skint, so will be after Christmas when its expanded to 2k or more (what it should be really)

anyway, advice and opinions would be good.
thanks


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Oh, yeah, forgot to mention, any advice on making it 2k or more would be great also. Thanks again.

I like the tek unit but you might want a chrono for anrkyr

Chrono? That the re roll one?

At 2k get 2 scythes and 3 anni barges, drop the warriors down to 5 and get 2 units of 3 scarab bases to act as speed bumps/distraction units. Will come to 1995pts. Put 2 units of 5 warriors in scythes for late game objective capturing and mob the last 15 together for necron durability.
Thats what Id do if you dont want to change the 1.5k part of the list too much (you're only dropping 10 warriors). And now you have amazing anti air and anti horde and enough st7 shots (plus scarabs) to threaten av12 spams.


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And the chronometron is an excellent shout!

Yeah, cheers. Are ahnialation barges worth it? I've never seen the appeal. And yeah, totally forgot about scythes... Hehehe. No need to worry bout flamer templates going over then either. Good call.


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And 90pts on scarabs, I would rather get another scythe I think


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So, following on from what was said, this is the new list (not actual list but the extreme wip one)

Anrakyr the traveller 165pts
Royal court: 160pts
1 despairtek, with veil of darkness and an abyssal staff
4 stormteks with voltaic staffs
troops:
5 warriors in nightscythe165pts
5 warriors in nightscythe165pts
5 warriors in nightscythe165pts
5 warriors 65pts
5 warriors 65pts
5 warriors 65pts
Heavy support:
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
lord of war:
transcendent c'tan 720pts
with transliminal slide, cosmic fire and wave of withering

Total: 2005pts

New plan: i wouldnt take the chronometron, because i need the stormteks. And not sure on how barges work (need advice here)' but three warrior squads stay back, and three rush forward "in" the nightscythes.

Rest is self explanatory really, take out the threats, and go seal clubbing.
Total:2005

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
Are ahnialation barges worth it? I've never seen the appeal.

...
Man, you really MUST be new to Necrons!

Annihilation barges are amazing. They score 4.88hits from 4 shots on average with the tesla destructor. Even snap firing (against flyers for instance) they still score multiple hits each. That st7 can also deal with most mech. And if you choose to arm them with a gauss cannon underneath it means they can deal with anything barring teq and av14. To top it off, they have av13 until their 1st pen. Are skimmers so get a nice jink save. And only come in at 90pts... yeh - they're worth it! Probably the most undercosted unit after the wave serpent.

Yeah, ive been a lifelong chaos player, cho had played daemons exclusively since their launch.

and yeah, the reason i haven't looked into some units was because they weren't in the last codex, i kinda preferred the last codexs fluff more. And i wanted to keep the units as near as possible. Its taken so much persuasion for these "new" units to be incorporated.


the only flyer i ever go against is a stormraven (or two im 2k actually). So i cant really see them being that good.


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I would only get 1.33 glance/pens against a stormeaven. With all three.... Imo. Not relevant in MY list, in OTHERS it is probably awesome, but they always seem out of context for me.
cheers

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
the only flyer i ever go against is a stormraven (or two im 2k actually). So i cant really see them being that good.
I would only get 1.33 glance/pens against a stormeaven. With all three.... Imo. Not relevant in MY list, in OTHERS it is probably awesome, but they always seem out of context for me.

... does that factor into account that the Tesla Destructor is TWIN LINKED?

To give you a better illustration of why they're so good, consider the following:
• flyer appears
• Tesla Destructor fires. Roll 4 D6. Any 6s? Cool, that's three S7 hits right there.
• reroll everything that wasn't a 6. Any more 6s? Excellent, there's another three S7 hits.
• is the flyer still there? If yes, damn, that's one tough/lucky flyer!

TL;DR- you have a pretty decent chance to see at least one or more sixes if you roll (effectively) eight dice.

It didn't.


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Okay, so three get 2.22 (assuming they jink). Still, would take another 2 or three turns to take them out. Flyers are priority number two for me, after superheavy deathstars.



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I will give them a go anyways, but maybe not until late january/february.


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Do necrons have no better aa

An Annihilation barge should put about 3.67 S7 hits on a flyer and another S6 hit on average. That's one of the reasons they're good point for point they put more S6 hits on a flyer than a Hydra!! (And a S6 hit and they're great against ground targets)

If you make a SR jink that's half the battle won. So on average you'll need all 3 to kill a storm raven but that's not bad for 270 points considering against ground targets they are even better the 3 putting on average 2.77 HPs on a SR that jinks and a damage table roll or two. It should be neutered if not destroyed. So always take 3 if you have the HS slots free they are amazing.

I'd consider taking double withering wave on the C'tan. D weapons are the biggest winner in Escalation so take as many as you can. That way he can put 3 D weapons a turn down (2 Hellstorms and the slide).

But other than that it looks good. I would consider going all Nightscythe for the warriors. Just leave them in there till turn 5. You don't need backfield units as any Warriors that lose their ride just walk on from your table edge . Us them for backfield grabbers.

Also having 4 units in flyers allows you to split up the court if your opponent doesn't bring a super heavy. Allowing your warriors to become excellent tank hunters.

Edit clarity and stupid autocorrect...

Can you give the same weapon twice? On the c'tan that is.


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Also thanks so much, that advice is awesome


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Just looked at this battle report:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/568307.page
Similar(ish) list. Decent outcome.
So, do I need the warriors in the end? Should I just stick to 4x5 warriors in scythes?

And guess what... a night scythe also has a tesla destrutor... so that raven does not stand a chance against only 1 turns fire of 3barges and 2 scythes!

Oh, I forgot about that... Wow



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Any news on if a transcendent c'tan can have two of the same power. From what I am understanding, it may choose up to two of the powers, suggesting different ones.

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
Oh, I forgot about that... Wow



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Any news on if a transcendent c'tan can have two of the same power. From what I am understanding, it may choose up to two of the powers, suggesting different ones.

Discussed here

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/568565.page

Yeah, just looked at that, thanks

Anrakyr the traveller 165pts
Royal court: 175pts
3 stormteks with voltaic staffs
1 stormtek with voltaic staff and a lightning field
1 despairtek with abyssal staff and veil of darkness
troops:
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
Heavy support:
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
lord of war:
1 transcendent c'tan 780pts
with transliminal slide and wave of withering (x2)

Total:2002pts

If you REALLY need good AA to deal with a thunderhawk or something then grab a gauss pylon, if you just need a bit more AA grab a few sentry pylons

Are then not apocaalypse?

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
Are then not apocaalypse?

You can use Pylons in escalation. Forge world LoW update.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
Are then not apocaalypse?

You can use Pylons in escalation. Forge world LoW update.

Now only if I could take the pylon formation to make use of all my empty globe stands

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
Yeah, just looked at that, thanks

Anrakyr the traveller 165pts
Royal court: 175pts
3 stormteks with voltaic staffs
1 stormtek with voltaic staff and a lightning field
1 despairtek with abyssal staff and veil of darkness
troops:
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
Heavy support:
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
lord of war:
1 transcendent c'tan 780pts
with transliminal slide and wave of withering (x2)

Total:2002pts

You're two points over. Drop a single Warrior and give the Despair-tek a Nightmare Shroud.
Also, if you're planning on using Anrakyr to control SHV guns, you might want to consider getting a Chrono-tek, so you can reroll if he fails his test.

I'm not too bothered about getting the roll, its rules luke these, where they are more fun if there is lower probability. So im happy to leave it. (I'm odd)
and about the pylon, as much as i like it, its £100 quid. And forgeworld is still a sore subject for people, so it wouldn't be guaranteed to be used. Not worth it Imo.


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And would a chronotek be worth the loss of a stormtek?

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
Yeah, just looked at that, thanks

Anrakyr the traveller 165pts
Royal court: 175pts
3 stormteks with voltaic staffs
1 stormtek with voltaic staff and a lightning field
1 despairtek with abyssal staff and veil of darkness
troops:
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
8 warriors in nightscythe 204pts
Heavy support:
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
Ahnialation barge 90pts
lord of war:
1 transcendent c'tan 780pts
with transliminal slide and wave of withering (x2)

Total:2002pts

Well, I guess you can't give the C'tan any weapon twice.

Anrakyr the traveller 165pts
Royal court: 175pts
3 stormteks with voltaic staffs
1 stormtek with voltaic staff and a lightning field
1 despairtek with abyssal staff and veil of darkness

Your HQ is too situational.

Well it was either that or a boring overlord with no special rules. I think that he is the only <200pt overlord that i like.


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And also, check out the link above. I also think its a bit sceptical.

Well it was either that or a boring overlord with no special rules. I think that he is the only <200pt overlord that i like.

I'd take an Overlord in a CBB with warscythe and mss. Fun to play.

Cbb? And not really situational, this is for playing games with my group of mates 6 other people. 3 of which have super heavies. And others lots tanks. Anyway, i like the unit. So that's one of the unchanging things really, its such a hilarious unit.


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I don't like cbbs. Roo much money also

Cbb? And not really situational, this is for playing games with my group of mates 6 other people. 3 of which have super heavies. And others lots tanks. Anyway, i like the unit. So that's one of the unchanging things really, its such a hilarious unit.

This guy can be a one-man wrecking machine if played smart. If you face super heavies, I'd consider a DLord and Wraiths.

What can a dlord and wraiths do?

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
What can a dlord and wraiths do?

DLords come with a Warscythe as it's starting weapon.

Wraiths are S6 with rending.

An'arkh'ad'nron wrote:
What can a dlord and wraiths do?

Chopping a Baneblade to death in cc.