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 Wyzilla wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
The new stuff is bland and closer to PG13 than ever, also the transition to full colour did not work in favor of the mood - or they just did it wrong, rather the latter. I agree with OP about CSM book there is little madness just guys that would pass in a new Star Wars movie.

Ian Miller

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltbbs4YaSP1r1g40zo1_500.jpg

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/1/12/15610_sm-Artwork,%20Chaos,%20Copyright%20Games%20Workshop,%20Slaves%20To%20Darkness.JPG

http://www.paintingsalley.com/data/media/1317/ian_miller_chaos_knight.jpg

http://chamberart.net/archive/W/warhammer/ian.miller.forge.in.the.forest.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MiiWGqFT7pU/T57icMY2BeI/AAAAAAAAAQg/l0mRF5slmZc/s1600/wfrp.jpg

mad trees ftw, also where are impossible slopes in the new art? You can't just run down from a normal hill in warhammer it's just wrong

Lolwut? The CSM book is full of bloody pelted human skin, Astartes wearing skinned humans, violence, etc, to the point that it simply becomes overbearing and boring rather than intimidating.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Oops

Bronzefists42 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
The new stuff is bland and closer to PG13 than ever, also the transition to full colour did not work in favor of the mood - or they just did it wrong, rather the latter. I agree with OP about CSM book there is little madness just guys that would pass in a new Star Wars movie.

Ian Miller

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltbbs4YaSP1r1g40zo1_500.jpg

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/1/12/15610_sm-Artwork,%20Chaos,%20Copyright%20Games%20Workshop,%20Slaves%20To%20Darkness.JPG

http://www.paintingsalley.com/data/media/1317/ian_miller_chaos_knight.jpg

http://chamberart.net/archive/W/warhammer/ian.miller.forge.in.the.forest.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MiiWGqFT7pU/T57icMY2BeI/AAAAAAAAAQg/l0mRF5slmZc/s1600/wfrp.jpg

mad trees ftw, also where are impossible slopes in the new art? You can't just run down from a normal hill in warhammer it's just wrong

Lolwut? The CSM book is full of bloody pelted human skin, Astartes wearing skinned humans, violence, etc, to the point that it simply becomes overbearing and boring rather than intimidating.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Oops

GW could take a lesson in horror and realize that less is more.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
The new stuff is bland and closer to PG13 than ever, also the transition to full colour did not work in favor of the mood - or they just did it wrong, rather the latter. I agree with OP about CSM book there is little madness just guys that would pass in a new Star Wars movie.

Ian Miller

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltbbs4YaSP1r1g40zo1_500.jpg

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/1/12/15610_sm-Artwork,%20Chaos,%20Copyright%20Games%20Workshop,%20Slaves%20To%20Darkness.JPG

http://www.paintingsalley.com/data/media/1317/ian_miller_chaos_knight.jpg

http://chamberart.net/archive/W/warhammer/ian.miller.forge.in.the.forest.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MiiWGqFT7pU/T57icMY2BeI/AAAAAAAAAQg/l0mRF5slmZc/s1600/wfrp.jpg

mad trees ftw, also where are impossible slopes in the new art? You can't just run down from a normal hill in warhammer it's just wrong

Lolwut? The CSM book is full of bloody pelted human skin, Astartes wearing skinned humans, violence, etc, to the point that it simply becomes overbearing and boring rather than intimidating.

I said madness, not violence, it's much more important with Chaos and in the book, the guys mostly stand there or walk looking angry, possesed afair showed some devotion and viciousnes with killing but nothing else sticked in my mind. Oraments are almost as disgusting and disturbing as they should but still not there, for me.

And violence, what violence? I can't recall a single severed limb, maybe in the blured pile of bodies but no actual, brutal death. Burning skeleton in guy's hand is the most you will get. Not that I really care for pure violence but for what passes in cinema nowadays as PG13 horrors, it's not really much more.

 Silverthorne wrote:
Another fan of the old stuff. I hate all the photo-realism, I love the grittier, 2000AD feel of the old stuff.

That comparison Historian posted is a perfect example. The top is art, the bottom is an exercise in computer rendering. Not evocative at all.

Agree brother. Although I have to say I do like the new stuff too.

One thing really bugs me though is that WD covers have moved to those airbrushed 3D type photos and no art. This really bugs me bad!

Imo

This


is better than this

 Bobthehero wrote:
Imo

This

Spoiler:

is better than this

Spoiler:

MY EYES! DAMN MY EYES!

This is part of the reason why the nostaglia for the old art is a bit biased and kindly forgets some of the simply completely and utterly awful artwork.The current stuff is good, just for factions like the Tyranids and Chaos it makes more sense to have more abstract paintings as opposed to the photo-realistic stuff currently in the Codex. as in-universe, information on them would be restricted and largely be second-hand knowledge from deceased primary sources.

For people saying "Its just a CGI rendering and not art" I'd like to point out that its not 'ex nihlo.' Computer art has to come from an artest, the computer is just the tools. that's like saying "these new oil painters, it's all just a bunch of paint blended together. It's not real art."
As a professional illustrator, I can tell you that both have real challenges and both are as legitimate as the other.

 MWHistorian wrote:
For people saying "Its just a CGI rendering and not art" I'd like to point out that its not 'ex nihlo.' Computer art has to come from an artest, the computer is just the tools. that's like saying "these new oil painters, it's all just a bunch of paint blended together. It's not real art."
As a professional illustrator, I can tell you that both have real challenges and both are as legitimate as the other.

Not to mention that unlike physical art, it's harder to properly judge. Sure, you have a backspace option with most virtual art programs, but you'll use it a lot more often than you would paint over a mistake with physical art. As someone who thinks spatially and physically, part of the reason why I could never get into digital art (not counting cameras), was simply the lack of a physical, touchable reference with actual depth to it.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
For people saying "Its just a CGI rendering and not art" I'd like to point out that its not 'ex nihlo.' Computer art has to come from an artest, the computer is just the tools. that's like saying "these new oil painters, it's all just a bunch of paint blended together. It's not real art."
As a professional illustrator, I can tell you that both have real challenges and both are as legitimate as the other.

Not to mention that unlike physical art, it's harder to properly judge. Sure, you have a backspace option with most virtual art programs, but you'll use it a lot more often than you would paint over a mistake with physical art. As someone who thinks spatially and physically, part of the reason why I could never get into digital art (not counting cameras), was simply the lack of a physical, touchable reference with actual depth to it.

I always have to crop and re-crop as I go. The spatial thing is annoying and a lot harder than it sounds. For example, this image here is not what it originally started off as. I must have sketched, re-sketched, cropped and cropped again to get something that would have been intuitive by free-hand. (composition is the artsy term and its a HUGE part of what goes into art.)

personally i like bothe the newer and some of the older stuff.

the newer 5h and 6th edition stuff personally is more pleasing to the eye. i like being able to imagine what they look like however withe the newer bits there isnt as much of that last stand do or die feeling that you get with some of the older bits.

some rougue trader pieces grabbed the attention with violence, massed gunfire and strange creatures walking on foreign planets. the newer stuf its typically 1 marine with bolter in hand firing at an unseen enemy while taking a hit to the shoulder. theres nohing there that makes me think "wow, I wonder who wins" and it is a shame really because if we combined those two factors we would be presened a piece of work that looks realistic, both proportionally and in detail, while grabbing your attention and sparking your own imagination.

art is perspective unfortunatly people like what they like. that is what i like do wih it what you will.

 Psienesis wrote:
Behold, your new master, and the epiphany of art:

I think the word you're looking for is "epitome."

I gotta disagree. All the artists offer something different. Blanche is great for warp landscapes because his vague style fits the shifting notions of what the warp is so i agree alot of the old artwork had this quality but when you say you dislike the new csm dex art I have to disagree- i think its awesome. especially the lone lunar wolf and the nurgle marine. Really capture the imagination. Though I will say I do miss the scale of the old artwork. I might be wrong but I seem to recall the scale of the battle scenes depicted were often far larger back in previous editions and I definitely miss that.

 Purifier wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Behold, your new master, and the epiphany of art:

I think the word you're looking for is "epitome."

It is and was... though the "epiphany" part for a BT Hamster is a nice bit of an in-joke... but gd autocorrect that thinks it knows better than I do.

Not going to lie, but Blanche's drawings of Vostroyans and WHFB vampire's and skeletons are what got me into wargaming, and though I love some of the panoramas (not sure if that's the right word) in some of the newer codexes (codexi?) in my eyes it just can't compare with that wonderfully...different style.



I don't know why but the next picture is probably my favourite thing so far.

I much prefer the new art direction to the older, more over the top cartoony stuff from the 90's

I like the really huge, epic sprawl feeling pictures from 4th?5th? the dark, murky lined ones with that 80's heavy metal vibe....

new stuff is still good, but seems like its getting brighter and less grim dark/metal

I think the thing about Blanche's art is that it's evocative, disturbing and beautiful at the same time. There's a special word for that, "disturbing in a beautiful way or beautiful in a disturbing way", but I can't remember what it is. Unseelie, maybe? Well, no, but the Unseelie do fit the idea.

In any case, Blanche's art is awesome and thematic... in small doses.

Give me Ian miller any time, 80% of blanches stuff seem to be stuck in the sketch stage.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Give me Ian miller any time, 80% of blanches stuff seem to be stuck in the sketch stage.

I have to agree about Blanche I love the old art but I can't stand 95% of his art.

Blanche can do good work with the more dream-like images.
But I'll never forgive him for this.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Blanche can do good work with the more dream-like images.
But I'll never forgive him for this.

Y'know, I may have been a little harsh on Blanache. Whilst I don't really like how he drew that Sister, I quite like those Ecclesiarchial people in the back. I think they look the part of "angry mob of clergymen and fantatics".


And, if we're posting art that we like, I really like the new AS codex cover art. Completely captures their character, IMO.

Though that's not to say that older art hasn't also depicted them very well. But, to me, this has done it the most impressively, from what I can recall.

 Troike wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Blanche can do good work with the more dream-like images.
But I'll never forgive him for this.

Y'know, I may have been a little harsh on Blanache. Whilst I don't really like how he drew that Sister, I quite like those Ecclesiarchial people in the back. I think they look the part of "angry mob of clergymen and fantatics".

Spoiler:

And, if we're posting art that we like, I really like the new AS codex cover art. Completely captures their character, IMO.

Spoiler:

Though that's not to say that older art hasn't also depicted them very well. But, to me, this has done it the most impressively, from what I can recall.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I liked te Blanche one better. Okay it was ugly. Very ugly but you got the spirit of the sisters and the ecclesiarchy down. The new one has severe "Point Bolter At Air" syndrome.

Nothing wrong with that! It's all a matter of preference, after all. But I'll expand on my preference, a bit.

For me, the newer one better captures their role as soldiers fighting in brutal wars, and the bolter in the air doesn't really bother me. Looks pretty badass, actually. Fits in with the ever-so slight air of "dramatics" that the Sisters have about them, with their decorated Rhinos and stylised power armour. Meanwhile, I feel that the Blanache one goes a bit "too far" in some respects, having the Sister seeming like she's posing mid-battle as well as having high heels. I don't wholly dislike it, of course, I like the the purity seals and her gauntlets, I jusr prefer the newer artwork overall. But I do agree that they both definetely more or less capture the spirit of the army, in their own ways.

I like how the SoB took the time to string up the daemon to a wagon wheel and set him on fire in the middle of a firefight.