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Reading the Fallen Champions Datasheet I didn't see any specifications on how a formation is actually deployed. Does this mean Cypher and the 1-3 units of Chosen can infiltrate without needing to remain within x inches from each other during deployment or at all times?

Example:
Can I choose to infiltrate Cypher in one ruin and a unit of chosen on the other side of the board?

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No. Cypher is an IC so he can does not need to be deployed with a unit, however the chosen do not have infiltrate. They cannot infiltrate at all, even if you want Cypher to be in a unit of chosen he can't join them until after they have been placed on the board.

The formation is just a detachment with an HQ choice and 1-3 elite choices. The rules for keeping them together are no different then if they were part of one of your regular detachments.
   
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Wrong.

The Formation rules gives all models of the formation Infiltration and Fallen leader.

Just like the other Formations give out one or two special rules to all the models.

So all the chosen units taken in the formation has Infiltration.

And yes there is no cohesion restriction or anything, but be aware that the Fallen leader rule only works on models in a 12" radius of Cypher, but appart from that, they can act indenpendetly from each other and Cypher can join anyone of them.

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 Slayer le boucher wrote:

The Formation rules gives all models of the formation Infiltration and Fallen leader.


Good catch, I did miss that. Silly me looked for infiltrate in the unit entry (where they could have put it)
   
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 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Wrong.

The Formation rules gives all models of the formation Infiltration and Fallen leader.

Just like the other Formations give out one or two special rules to all the models.

So all the chosen units taken in the formation has Infiltration.

And yes there is no cohesion restriction or anything, but be aware that the Fallen leader rule only works on models in a 12" radius of Cypher, but apart from that, they can act indenpendetly from each other and Cypher can join anyone of them.

This is the correct answer. They don't have ATSKNF if cypher is not at 12" from each unit. And you can nominate 1 unit to deploy with cypher using infiltrate, then the other 2 using outflank.

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Ohio

Thank you for your replies. I wasn't completely familiar with the new formation rules, and wanted to make sure of this before I attempted building a list around it.

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Belgium

If you are not familiar with it a few reminders.

Models/units in a formation don't take FoC slots, and they arn't affected by rules making them switch FoC slot( so no Fallen Champs formation counting as troops because you use the BL supp)
They are restricted by the Ally Matrix with wich armies they can be taken.
They don't take the Ally detachement slot.

   
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Ohio

I didn't know that I couldn't use them as scoring with black legion supplement. That really doesn't make much sense. Thanks though.

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You can't because a formation is like a tertiary detachement, so to make Chosen troops with Bl supp, the must be of the BL detachement.

Its the same has having in an ally detachement a Khorne Lord don't make Zerkers troops, because the Lord of traitors rule says that if the Lord is taken in the primary detachement.

Same for BL detachement.

Now you could run a BL primary detachement, with Chosen troops, an ally detachement of renegade GI or Deamons and a Formation with Cypher and his fallen buddies.

   
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Ohio

Ah gotcha. Thanks again for the clarifications!

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