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 gorgon wrote:
After you become a parent, you realize how young people without kids need to get over themselves and their apparent need for silence and quiet reflection every place they go. There are places where young children shouldn't be. Otherwise, deal with it like the adult you claim to be.

For one thing, you were likely a miserable, awful, screaming brat yourself at times as a young child, and other people were tolerant with you. It's payback time now.

For another thing, who's to say that some of you aren't more annoying than the young children?

Im pretty sure me trying to sleep or read on a train isnt annoying, nor is watching TV on the plane. PArents need to be mindful that no everyone wants to listen to their kid scream and cry. I do not want to go to a theater and deal with a kid screaming through Thor.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
I don't like the name Jonah.

Of all the things you could have said you chose that... *sigh*

When it should have been something like...

"Say goodbye to your Daddy Jonah"

I mean seriously, if you're going to poke fun at a kids name, make it a Firefly reference.

I am a parent. And I kind of think that when it comes to long-haul travel, if we want to take our child to see relatives far away, the onus is on us to find an alternative travel method, or to control our child so as not to disturb other people. I love my son, but no one else needs to be forced to.

That being said, it sounds like the child HAD been under control until the very end of the flight, and in the descent, you have to kind of expect children to be uncomfortable and cry. Even if you ARE so short tempered you can't handle it for the short period of time until the kid's ears adjust, there's never an excuse for slapping a child.

Pretty much sounds like the system handled this one appropriately.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
PArents need to be mindful that no everyone wants to listen to their kid scream and cry. I do not want to go to a theater and deal with a kid screaming through Thor.

A parent that takes a baby to a theater to see a movie that isn't rated G probably needs a punch in the junk. So, no argument there.

That being said, its a little unreasonable to expect a 19 month old to grimace and sack up when the pressure change on descent starts building up in their inner ears. I never though I of all people would be making this argument, but you need to be mindful that there is a difference between situations where a parent is showing bad judgement (i.e. a screaming baby at a restaurant) and when having to listen a crying baby for a few minutes is the cost of living in a civilized society. This is a big country, and if you gotta fly, you gotta fly.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
After you become a parent, you realize how young people without kids need to get over themselves and their apparent need for silence and quiet reflection every place they go. There are places where young children shouldn't be. Otherwise, deal with it like the adult you claim to be.

For one thing, you were likely a miserable, awful, screaming brat yourself at times as a young child, and other people were tolerant with you. It's payback time now.

For another thing, who's to say that some of you aren't more annoying than the young children?

Im pretty sure me trying to sleep or read on a train isnt annoying, nor is watching TV on the plane. PArents need to be mindful that no everyone wants to listen to their kid scream and cry. I do not want to go to a theater and deal with a kid screaming through Thor.

Kids crying in a movie theater during Thor =/= kids crying on airplanes

Guess what, small children cry. They cry when they are unhappy, scared, uncomfortable, tired, angry, sick, hungry; it is often the only way they have to express their emotions. That is something has happened for the 200,000+ year span of human existence; is not a recent development.

I also have some more shocking news for you: parents dislike listening to their children cry even less than you do. You think it's annoying having to listen to a baby cry on an airplane? Try thinking about how the parents feel, having to deal with an uncomfortable and unhappy baby, unable to just put on a pair of headphones and read a book, knowing that people on the plane are judging them because they think they can't "control" their children.

 d-usa wrote:
When I flew to Europe a few years ago we had a crying baby on our plane. The parents were walking up and down the aisle with it and clearly trying to make it more comfortable and help it go to sleep. You could see by their faces that they felt very bad about the amount the baby crying.

Some guy a couple rows behind me kept on calling the flight attendant asking her angrily "Isn't there anything you guys can do about that!" I'm sure the pilot will just pull this plane over in the middle of the air to give that baby a talking to sir .

Of course this is me when I listen to people that children should not be able to see their extended families because the fact that they are children might make it hard for you to read a book:

It is always fun when a baby cries on a Trans-Atlantic flight, right? If the parents are trying to settle the baby then the guy was being a jackass, the only time I think it is acceptable to ask a stewardness to intervene is if the parents are ignoring their little daring's cries, seat kicking, or other obnoxious behaviour

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
After you become a parent, you realize how young people without kids need to get over themselves and their apparent need for silence and quiet reflection every place they go. There are places where young children shouldn't be. Otherwise, deal with it like the adult you claim to be.

For one thing, you were likely a miserable, awful, screaming brat yourself at times as a young child, and other people were tolerant with you. It's payback time now.

For another thing, who's to say that some of you aren't more annoying than the young children?

Im pretty sure me trying to sleep or read on a train isnt annoying, nor is watching TV on the plane. PArents need to be mindful that no everyone wants to listen to their kid scream and cry. I do not want to go to a theater and deal with a kid screaming through Thor.

Kids crying in a movie theater during Thor =/= kids crying on airplanes

Guess what, small children cry. They cry when they are unhappy, scared, uncomfortable, tired, angry, sick, hungry; it is often the only way they have to express their emotions. That is something has happened for the 200,000+ year span of human existence; is not a recent development.

I also have some more shocking news for you: parents dislike listening to their children cry even less than you do. You think it's annoying having to listen to a baby cry on an airplane? Try thinking about how the parents feel, having to deal with an uncomfortable and unhappy baby, unable to just put on a pair of headphones and read a book, knowing that people on the plane are judging them because they think they can't "control" their children.

Then dont spread your misery to others. And yes they cry, I know that. But If you know you have a small kid that is prone to crying, dont spread it to others, keep it at home. Order take out, drive. Yeah I can udnerstand it sucks for a kid in a descent of a plane, and i get that. But when a kid cries for the ntire 6 hour flight, or train ride, or when Im enjoying dinner with my parents, and the parents ignore the it is rediculous

d-usa wrote:When I flew to Europe a few years ago we had a crying baby on our plane. The parents were walking up and down the aisle with it and clearly trying to make it more comfortable and help it go to sleep. You could see by their faces that they felt very bad about the amount the baby crying.

Funny thing, similar to that... the Missus and I were returning from Germany, PCSing back to the US and all that. So, under new command policy we MUST fly on the AF's civilian carrier bird. After almost 6 hours of delays prior to boarding, they completely rebook ALL the tickets, and reseat everyone on the flight. Well, being a "military" branch, they come out and say "any families traveling with small children who need help being seated, board now" and proceeded to put all those types of families completely crammed at the back of the plane... One baby starts crying, and it set off another, then another and so on.

Jimsolo wrote:there's never an excuse for slapping a child.

Unless it's your own


And, I'm sorry hotsauce, you're coming off very poorly here. As a parent of 2, it's my job to take care of my kids, and if we want to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, we will... How about, if you hate the sound of crying kids THAT much, why dont YOU go out of your way to order take out, drive or do whatever else you seem to be suggesting parents be forced to do. Also, often times, there simply isn't enough time, or the means are not available for families to get where they're going without subjecting you to the kinds of horrors that you must be in therapy for.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Then dont spread your misery to others. And yes they cry, I know that. But If you know you have a small kid that is prone to crying, dont spread it to others, keep it at home. Order take out, drive. Yeah I can udnerstand it sucks for a kid in a descent of a plane, and i get that. But when a kid cries for the ntire 6 hour flight, or train ride, or when Im enjoying dinner with my parents, and the parents ignore the it is rediculous

So someone working a new job with little vacation and wanting to see family on the other side of the country over Christmas now has to drive? Eating up what little time off they have, and having to take unpaid leave. As well as risking driving in adverse weather like we are experiencing these past few days.
What about people with family abroad? Should they have to swim home to avoid inconveniencing you?

Its the job of the flight company to provide a relaxing travel experience. If that means re-looking at how disruptive children on flights are, then so it should.

 Mr Hyena wrote:
Its the job of the flight company to provide a relaxing travel experience. If that means re-looking at how disruptive children on flights are, then so it should.

What airline(s) do you fly with? The airline's job is to get you from point A to point B in a safe and timely fashion. Generally they do not provide massages, aromatherapy, or soothing scents. You're usually lucky if you have room ti stretch your legs.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:



And, I'm sorry hotsauce, you're coming off very poorly here. As a parent of 2, it's my job to take care of my kids, and if we want to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, we will... How about, if you hate the sound of crying kids THAT much, why dont YOU go out of your way to order take out, drive or do whatever else you seem to be suggesting parents be forced to do. Also, often times, there simply isn't enough time, or the means are not available for families to get where they're going without subjecting you to the kinds of horrors that you must be in therapy for.

Because I am the one who decided to not have kids so I dont have to deal with screaming kids. PArents are the ones who decided to have kids and be miserable. Kids are great, and I want some, but if im out with people, I do not want to hear a 5 year old screaming at a nice relaxing resturant im at.

Today I learned which people are worse than crying toddlers on a plane.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:



And, I'm sorry hotsauce, you're coming off very poorly here. As a parent of 2, it's my job to take care of my kids, and if we want to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, we will... How about, if you hate the sound of crying kids THAT much, why dont YOU go out of your way to order take out, drive or do whatever else you seem to be suggesting parents be forced to do. Also, often times, there simply isn't enough time, or the means are not available for families to get where they're going without subjecting you to the kinds of horrors that you must be in therapy for.

Because I am the one who decided to not have kids so I dont have to deal with screaming kids. PArents are the ones who decided to have kids and be miserable. Kids are great, and I want some, but if im out with people, I do not want to hear a 5 year old screaming at a nice relaxing resturant im at.

If you don't want to deal with society, then don't go out in public.

Simple as that really.

Im assuming you mean me?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Then dont spread your misery to others. And yes they cry, I know that. But If you know you have a small kid that is prone to crying, dont spread it to others, keep it at home. Order take out, drive. Yeah I can udnerstand it sucks for a kid in a descent of a plane, and i get that. But when a kid cries for the ntire 6 hour flight, or train ride, or when Im enjoying dinner with my parents, and the parents ignore the it is rediculous

Again, a plane is not a free-time venue, it's a way of transportation. Nobody was arguing in favor of keeping constantly crying kids at a theatre, restaurant or similar venue where people go for pleasure. Transportation is a necessity, one you think twice or more about as a parent when travelling with a baby or toddler.

By all means be annoyed when a kid cries for a 6-hour-flight if it makes you feel more cultured, but arguing that everybody with small kids should simply stay at home or drive themselves is so utterly ignorant it almost defies belief.

EDIT:

Last part here retracted.

Ok, maybe I went far with the last statement. But I cant be the only one who hates it when kids cry on a plane can I?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, maybe I went far with the last statement. But I cant be the only one who hates it when kids cry on a plane can I?

Hating it doesn't do anything. It's just a fact of life to be accepted, like traffic jams, security searches or taxes. You'll be happier once you learn to keep your mind on other things instead of dwelling on the unpleasantness of such trivialities.

Its not trivial when you cant hear yourself think over the crying if you are like me

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Its not trivial when you cant hear yourself think over the crying if you are like me

Just think about the crying, analyze it. When you're done give your report to the parent!

Sorry, I really don't want this to come across as condescending as it will probably read, but if you can't block out crying well enough to "hear yourself think", you need to grow some thicker skin, because you'll need it in your life yet to come.

Dealt with that once when I pcs'd over to Japan. I made that flight (24 hours) 14 times in 3 years. After the first time I came up with a little trick. 30 minutes before the flight I would go to the airport bar and order 2 double shots of Jose. Do one double, smoke a cigarette, (after about ten minutes) take a Dramamine pill and drain the second double. Board the craft, pass out ... wake up in Japan. All refreshed and whatnot ... it was great.

OT: This guy went a bit too far IMO. The innocence of children is to be protected at all costs ... this bastard failed. Bubba gonna like him.

Bah. Poor guy... he got in trouble for doing what we all secretly want to do.

Not going to lie if I ever end up with kids I'm bringing a roll of duct tape with me whenever we go on a long trip somewhere.

Also whenever I was a baby and I started making noise my mom pretty much just slapped me herself. It shut me up and I turned out relatively normal (despite what the previous comment would have you believe).

I made the decision to learn English. It's not my native language. But I made the choice to learn it and use it to communicate in an effective manner. Right now I am using it to communicate on a text based forum that relies on the written language.

I don't understand why we should have to deal with people who make grammatical errors, capitalize things wrong, and spell things incorrectly. Why should my pleasure be diminished because of people like that? My leisure time is valuable to me and being on here with people like that just annoys me.

Or do we realize how silly this sounds and acknowledge that part of living in society is dealing with things that might annoy us and make things less than comfortable and that we should be glad that the majority of people try to minimize the troubles they cause.

At least that seems better than calling for blanket bans on people that might annoy us...

Holy gak some of the posts in this thread are utterly disgusting! Well done!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Its not trivial when you cant hear yourself think over the crying if you are like me

you know they make earplugs, and noise cancelling headphones right?

If I can ignore a 30-06 going off near me with those, you can ignore babies on planes...

you should not be saying "responsible adults should be able to keep their kids quite on a plane or not fly" as literally, its not up to the parents when they cry.

you should be saying "hey, im Im on a plane, there is a good chance I will be stuck with unwanted baby/engine/foosball team chanting noise, maybe I should bring headphones/earplugs"


its far easier for you to modify your behavior so your environment is more to your liking, then to assume everyone will do the modifying for you...

and really, its NOT that simple to make the little ones shut up... even when trying and doing everything right... especially on planes where it makes their inner ears hurt during decent.

trust me...

I have been trying to get "baby" tazers/tranquilizers/chloroform approved for YEARS now...

at least my head phones work,

now if only I had something to drown out the SMELL of unwashed BO, patchooli, pot and smug self satisfaction from all the unwashed hippie/yupie/ect types, and the "OMG im gonna fly in my dirty sweats with no shower" gross people on planes.

You can't compare taking a kid to a movie to taking a kid on a plane. People with small children need to travel via plane just like everyone else. Air pressure in their ears is something that there is literally nothing you can do for them, They are in physical pain, not misbehaved.

If you don't like it, Fly first class. If you are in coach, put head phones one and shut your face. There is no expectation you have a pleasurable flight free of distraction in coach.

Also, movie theaters do have 'baby friendly' times if you ask. If you go to those showings, then it is on you. (they usually daytime on the weekdays) And some restaurants, you should expect screaming children. If you go to 'Red Robin', That place is a zoo. You should expect a 8year old soccer team, 3 crying babies and kids getting up and playing with balloons. If you complain about it, my response is: "You are at red robin... why are you complaining?"

Smacking a baby is unacceptable. I am glad his life is destroyed as he will have a felony on his record which will forever haunt him. The internet will never forget his name and he will forever be doomed for hitting a baby.

I travel for work a lot.

Headphones. Good, quality headphones. Get some. Also: alcohol.

 kronk wrote:
I travel for work a lot.

Headphones. Good, quality headphones. Get some. Also: alcohol.

I think the guy in the OP tried that 2nd one actually

 easysauce wrote:


you know they make earplugs, and noise cancelling headphones right?

I have a pair of Surefire earplugs for my range days, and let me tell you... I can wear those things on an M2 range, and still have a normal conversation, but when I am on a pistol range my heartbeat is thunderous.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I have a pair of Surefire earplugs for my range days, and let me tell you... I can wear those things on an M2 range, and still have a normal conversation, but when I am on a pistol range my heartbeat is thunderous.

I have some of those electronic muffs that cancel everything above x decibels, and the only "problem" with them is that I tend to talk to the people with me as if they could converse with me normally, when they can't hear anything I'm saying