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Just to reiterate for those who might not have caught it, he was flying back from taking his own son off life support.

Relapse wrote:
Just to reiterate for those who might not have caught it, he was flying back from taking his own son off life support.

Yeah, I saw that. I had a really hard flight when I had to go home to identify my dad's body after he killed himself too, and yet I neither slapped children nor called anyone a racial slur.

He's a huge jerk with a prior history of criminal violence who got exactly what he deserved.

Relapse wrote:
Just to reiterate for those who might not have caught it, he was flying back from taking his own son off life support.

Doesn't absolve him of responsibility or culpability of his actions, otherwise anyone in emotional distress could basically get a monopoly 'get out jail' card.

He is an donkey-cave, if he was so fraught with grief where he was not able to control his actions, he should have never been on a plane while in that condition and taken more time to compose himself.

It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

 purplefood wrote:
It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

He could have gotten a year. He did get a lighter sentence. It was the previous assault conviction that got him as long as he did.

 Ouze wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

He could have gotten a year. He did get a lighter sentence. It was the previous assault conviction that got him as long as he did.

Ah well. There is that.

I'm not saying he should be let go, but given that he's demonstrated lack of self control in the past, it probably didn't take a lot to set him off after dealing with something like that.

@Ouze,

Damn, that is a heart breaker, and a trip I'm glad I never had to take. It was bad enough going to watch my father dying in the hospital, but at least I got to say good bye.

 purplefood wrote:
It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

Bull.

Sorry, but losing a family member is tragic, but how in the name of all that is holy does that mitigate slapping an infant?

 curran12 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

Bull.

Sorry, but losing a family member is tragic, but how in the name of all that is holy does that mitigate slapping an infant?

Because of a very convoluted story involving Obama, kids that look like him, and Obamacare.... just a theory

Relapse wrote:
Something that got left out here is his son had committed suicide and he was coming back from the funeral. Not to defend what he did, but it puts it in a bit of a different light.

That certainly gives this a different light, and if the guy had no priors then maybe a suspended sentence would have been the better result. But the guy has a prior for assaulting is girlfriend, so...


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because I am the one who decided to not have kids so I dont have to deal with screaming kids. PArents are the ones who decided to have kids and be miserable. Kids are great, and I want some, but if im out with people, I do not want to hear a 5 year old screaming at a nice relaxing resturant im at.

But as a parent you sometimes have no idea when your kid is going to cry. Sometimes you can see they're getting tired or over-stimulated or just shifting in to that mood where a meltdown is likely, and then the last place you want to be is in a crowded, noisy restaurant, but other times it just comes out of the blue.

So sometimes you go out as a family, play on the beach, have some fun on some waterslides, and then afterwards get a meal at a restaurant. Good family stuff, the kind of quality time that everyone talks about as good parenting, what you're supposed to do. And then for no reason you can discern one of your kids cracks the gaks in the middle of the restaurant, because that's just something kids do from time to time.

Sorry, but it happens. And that doesn't excuse parents who take their kids to movies that aren't G, or parents who just sit there ignoring their kids while they're crying, or parents who let their kids run freely around bothering other people. But it's an unfortunate reality that just being parents means sometimes you're going to inconvenience other people. Sorry, but other people are going to have to accept that.

My kids will learn to Valsalva before they're allowed to board a commercial airliner.

Relapse wrote:
Just to reiterate for those who might not have caught it, he was flying back from taking his own son off life support.

That's neither an excuse or reason for committing assault. He's the adult and should exercise some self control whatever his personal circumstances are.

It's funny that some people are suggesting that people with children shouldn't take them on planes if they can't control them, how about this guy doesn't go on planes if he can't control himself?

Call me lazy or stupid I don't care, I booked 3 seats and paid for then I couldn't get business class back from Hong Kong, anyhow long story short some person was ill so I was asked to give up my seats (bear in mind this was DURING the sars crisis)so i did, so I end up somehow with some Chinese baby sleeping on me and some old lady leaning on me and a little Asian lady on the other side... Thank God for sense of humours, I complained to the airline and they offered me a full refund, I accepted a refund for 2 seats not all 3 since in my mind that person must have been proper ill for the trolley dolleys to bother me... But I didn't slap anyone dammit, what a sh...bad person

OK, so maybe slapping an infant went a tad too far.

Maybe feeding them feet first into a woodchipper wasn't perhaps an option. For a while, the kid makes more noise than the chipper - but it stops soon enough.

My usual reaction to crying children in transit is a comment along the lines of:
"FFS, stop playing with your food and kill it already." - sure, I get 'death stares' a lot - but I'm part gypsy myself, so that "evil eye" crap is just normal for me.

I don't like humans under the age of 17 at the best of times (family is not an exception). I don't get the depth of emotional attachment parents feel towards their offspring - because I can't have them, I will NEVER know this. Looking after a cat just isn't the same thing.

This entire post was in jest, right? Right?

 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned which people are worse than crying toddlers on a plane.

If you don't want to deal with society, then don't go out in public.

Simple as that really.

Indeed, this thread was quite enlightening. And a bit scary with all the sociopathy and stuff.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:



And, I'm sorry hotsauce, you're coming off very poorly here. As a parent of 2, it's my job to take care of my kids, and if we want to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, we will... How about, if you hate the sound of crying kids THAT much, why dont YOU go out of your way to order take out, drive or do whatever else you seem to be suggesting parents be forced to do. Also, often times, there simply isn't enough time, or the means are not available for families to get where they're going without subjecting you to the kinds of horrors that you must be in therapy for.

Because I am the one who decided to not have kids so I dont have to deal with screaming kids. PArents are the ones who decided to have kids and be miserable. Kids are great, and I want some, but if im out with people, I do not want to hear a 5 year old screaming at a nice relaxing resturant im at.

To be fair as someone who doesn't actually want kids, both sides have their fair share of "entitled donkeyhats". There's the kids are little gaks who do nothing but ruin and annoy everything that's around them, but at the same time there's the parent who seems to believe that ramming me in the back of the knees with the pram for the tenth time will suddenly make the train door open, or the crossing lights change. The fat mum that decides the best way to stop her child screaming is to shove everyone out of the queue and demand her order be served first to please this little hell spawn.

Really the easiest way to deal with them, is to realise they're there for probably 30 seconds to 5 mins of your life then gone. Avoid them in a restaurant? Don't go to a crappy one like Burger King or McDonalds where they're more likely to flock around. The jerk ones that believe their pram is a plough with which to shove people out of the way of, laugh at them for they will be elbow deep in the remains of whatever crappy food they were obviously rushing to. Though at the same time, the ones that have no baby in sight, just something like a pram with a normal backpack in it. If you get rammed by it, maybe don't fight the urge to flip it over. Cause that's just them being a jerk for no reason.

Relapse wrote:
Just to reiterate for those who might not have caught it, he was flying back from taking his own son off life support.

So fething what? Life sucks, and with him as a parent one could understand. He's lucky to be alive, pulling that stunt. I'd proffer if he did that on a Southwest flight about 20 parents would have formed a conga line to punch this guy in the baby maker.


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 purplefood wrote:
It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

NO. Pretty much nothing excuses "shut that nigg__ kid up."
Thats what we like to call " a racist "


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It's funny that some people are suggesting that people with children shouldn't take them on planes if they can't control them, how about this guy doesn't go on planes if he can't control himself?

Brilliant!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Then dont spread your misery to others. And yes they cry, I know that. But If you know you have a small kid that is prone to crying, dont spread it to others, keep it at home. Order take out, drive. Yeah I can udnerstand it sucks for a kid in a descent of a plane, and i get that. But when a kid cries for the ntire 6 hour flight, or train ride, or when Im enjoying dinner with my parents, and the parents ignore the it is rediculous

IS this serious?

I get the feeling that you are trolling here.

GG

The kids aren't the problem. The adults are. Yes, kids running around, screaming for ages or what ever is annoying, but so is people talking on mobile phones on the train, or in a restaurant, or the couple who won't stop kissing with a sloppy "smak" every 30 seconds, or the person with music playing on there phone for everyone to hear. Some people just don't give a gak about other people. Not the kids fault.

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Just to reiterate for those who might not have caught it, he was flying back from taking his own son off life support.

So fething what? Life sucks, and with him as a parent one could understand. He's lucky to be alive, pulling that stunt. I'd proffer if he did that on a Southwest flight about 20 parents would have formed a conga line to punch this guy in the baby maker.


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 purplefood wrote:
It does kind count as mitigating circumstances given his actions. He should probably have a lighter sentence given that...

NO. Pretty much nothing excuses "shut that nigg__ kid up."
Thats what we like to call " a racist "


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It's funny that some people are suggesting that people with children shouldn't take them on planes if they can't control them, how about this guy doesn't go on planes if he can't control himself?

Brilliant!

I'm not excusing him, just shedding some light on what might have contributed to his action.

Steve has the way of it.

 Allod wrote:
Sorry, I really don't want this to come across as condescending as it will probably read, but if you can't block out crying well enough to "hear yourself think", you need to grow some thicker skin, because you'll need it in your life yet to come.

CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

Just saying.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned which people are worse than crying toddlers on a plane.

If you don't want to deal with society, then don't go out in public.

Simple as that really.

Indeed, this thread was quite enlightening. And a bit scary with all the sociopathy and stuff.

See, I wouldn't quite go that far. Some of the comments are about obsessively self-absorbed young people more than anything else. Add some emo and yes, a touch of antisocial behavior, and voila!

 Steve steveson wrote:
The kids aren't the problem. The adults are. Yes, kids running around, screaming for ages or what ever is annoying, but so is people talking on mobile phones on the train, or in a restaurant, or the couple who won't stop kissing with a sloppy "smak" every 30 seconds, or the person with music playing on there phone for everyone to hear. Some people just don't give a gak about other people. Not the kids fault.

Exactly what I was talking about in my previous post about adults often being more annoying. Unless you work in a day care, you're likely going to encounter many more of those people than screaming kids. If you actually pay attention, most children out and about AREN'T screaming. That's why your attention is drawn to those who ARE.

And following up on Frazz's comment about what the guy said...I'm reiterate that the guy's name was JOE RICKEY HUNDLEY. Fething A! That's straight outta central casting.

I hate kids, which is why I choose not to have them. I'm resigned to dealing with them in infrastructural arenas like public transport and airplanes and stuff. That's just people getting stuff done, so I give 'em a pass.

What I can't stand is people at entertainment venues who think that the rest of the world is under some sort of obligation to put up with your children. If your child is crying/screaming running around causing a ruckus or whatever for more than a few seconds, you do something about it. Don't just grimly sit there eating your burger while it wails.

The worst was while I was stationed over in Germany - there was an on post theater that only showed 3-4 films a day, so every showing of anything was just crammed with spouses and their kids; we had three crying babies at the 10pm showing of Underworld 2, it was unbelievable.

Ye, but thats nothing to do with the kids. Kids are going to cry. Thats the adults who don't think of others. They are probably the same people who leave all there rubbish in the theater, gum stuck to the seats, don't switch there phone off during the film, use there phone in the restaurant,etc. I would bet if they didn't have the kids they would be selfish donkey-caves in another way.

I understand people may not like or want kids, but I never understand people saying they hate them. They are not trying to annoy you or doing anything bad. They are just reacting to there environment in the best way they can. Its the selfish adults that are at fault. Hate them, not the kids.

And no, I don't have kids, and probably won't. Not because I hate them, I just don't feel I want them (at least at the moment).

 Bromsy wrote:
I hate kids, which is why I choose not to have them. I'm resigned to dealing with them in infrastructural arenas like public transport and airplanes and stuff. That's just people getting stuff done, so I give 'em a pass.

Understandable.

What I can't stand is people at entertainment venues who think that the rest of the world is under some sort of obligation to put up with your children. If your child is crying/screaming running around causing a ruckus or whatever for more than a few seconds, you do something about it. Don't just grimly sit there eating your burger while it wails.

I wish we could just walk up and slap adults that drop f-bombs in public every other word and teenagers that are loud and stupid as well, but that's life. It's an entertainment venue, not "your entertainment only " venue. If you can't handle a kid crying for more than a few seconds then maybe there are other issues in your life that need to be addressed.

Sometimes kids cry, and despite anything you try they will keep crying until they are done. That doesn't excuse kids running around the place, knocking stuff over and being destructive. Crap like that needs to be addressed by the parents and if not you should notify the owner of the place.

But I hear far more adults being loud and obnoxious than babies being loud and obnoxious. I've listened to more stupid teenagers talking during a movie and giving their gak commentary than children crying.

The worst was while I was stationed over in Germany - there was an on post theater that only showed 3-4 films a day, so every showing of anything was just crammed with spouses and their kids; we had three crying babies at the 10pm showing of Underworld 2, it was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable that the post theater, the one place where how many servicemen and their families could watch a movie in their own language, that only showed 3-4 films a day would be crammed with families?

Take your babies to the movies, if the baby starts crying one of the parents should exit the theater with it until it settles down. But to expect that there would be no kids in the only place that shows movies in your language while only having very limited showtimes is pretty silly.

I'm lucky that I have the option of making it a lot less stressful for myself when we go to the movies with our 4 month old. One of the theaters in the area has a "cry room". It's a small soundproof room at the end of the auditorium that has a giant glass wall where you can still watch the movie and which also has it's own sound system. So the little one can cry if she needs to and nobody has to listen to her. But I know that this is not an option for the majority of people.

There are times when it can be good parenting to ignore a crying child, if your child is crying in an attempt to gain attention or something. It's a judgement parents need to make. Though, I would probably remove the kid from the immediate area and then ignore them outside or in the car or something.

 d-usa wrote:


I wish we could just walk up and slap adults that drop f-bombs in public every other word and teenagers that are loud and stupid as well, but that's life. It's an entertainment venue, not "your entertainment only " venue. If you can't handle a kid crying for more than a few seconds then maybe there are other issues in your life that need to be addressed.

Sometimes kids cry, and despite anything you try they will keep crying until they are done. That doesn't excuse kids running around the place, knocking stuff over and being destructive. Crap like that needs to be addressed by the parents and if not you should notify the owner of the place.

But I hear far more adults being loud and obnoxious than babies being loud and obnoxious. I've listened to more stupid teenagers talking during a movie and giving their gak commentary than children crying.



It was unbelievable that the post theater, the one place where how many servicemen and their families could watch a movie in their own language, that only showed 3-4 films a day would be crammed with families?

Take your babies to the movies, if the baby starts crying one of the parents should exit the theater with it until it settles down. But to expect that there would be no kids in the only place that shows movies in your language while only having very limited showtimes is pretty silly.

I'm lucky that I have the option of making it a lot less stressful for myself when we go to the movies with our 4 month old. One of the theaters in the area has a "cry room". It's a small soundproof room at the end of the auditorium that has a giant glass wall where you can still watch the movie and which also has it's own sound system. So the little one can cry if she needs to and nobody has to listen to her. But I know that this is not an option for the majority of people.

Yeah, I don't think you should want be able to assault people for swearing. Maybe there are other issues in your life that need to be addressed. If I'm in a restaurant being loud and obnoxious I can and should be called on it. Having a baby is the same way. And of course you hear more adults being loud and obnoxious, there are a lot more adults than babies.

And yes, I would say taking your child to an R rated movie at 10pm is unbelievable. And you should also know better than most that german movie theaters have english language showings, especially around large American military bases so there are options to take your kids to go see actual kid movies.

 Da Boss wrote:
There are times when it can be good parenting to ignore a crying child, if your child is crying in an attempt to gain attention or something. It's a judgement parents need to make. Though, I would probably remove the kid from the immediate area and then ignore them outside or in the car or something.

And that is all I would ask.

 Bromsy wrote:

 d-usa wrote:


I wish we could just walk up and slap adults that drop f-bombs in public every other word and teenagers that are loud and stupid as well, but that's life. It's an entertainment venue, not "your entertainment only " venue. If you can't handle a kid crying for more than a few seconds then maybe there are other issues in your life that need to be addressed.

Sometimes kids cry, and despite anything you try they will keep crying until they are done. That doesn't excuse kids running around the place, knocking stuff over and being destructive. Crap like that needs to be addressed by the parents and if not you should notify the owner of the place.

But I hear far more adults being loud and obnoxious than babies being loud and obnoxious. I've listened to more stupid teenagers talking during a movie and giving their gak commentary than children crying.



It was unbelievable that the post theater, the one place where how many servicemen and their families could watch a movie in their own language, that only showed 3-4 films a day would be crammed with families?

Take your babies to the movies, if the baby starts crying one of the parents should exit the theater with it until it settles down. But to expect that there would be no kids in the only place that shows movies in your language while only having very limited showtimes is pretty silly.

I'm lucky that I have the option of making it a lot less stressful for myself when we go to the movies with our 4 month old. One of the theaters in the area has a "cry room". It's a small soundproof room at the end of the auditorium that has a giant glass wall where you can still watch the movie and which also has it's own sound system. So the little one can cry if she needs to and nobody has to listen to her. But I know that this is not an option for the majority of people.

Yeah, I don't think you should want be able to assault people for swearing. Maybe there are other issues in your life that need to be addressed. If I'm in a restaurant being loud and obnoxious I can and should be called on it. Having a baby is the same way. And of course you hear more adults being loud and obnoxious, there are a lot more adults than babies..

Sounds like you call out adults all the time then? Most people do not and sit there meekly grumbling but seem to get quite veracious about babies crying. And lets face it babies do cry, mostly because they are hungry - so would you object to a quiet baby being breast fed at the next table?

So if there are other theaters with other options then why are you complaining that there are only 3-4 showings and that you have to endure these families there as if you have zero other options?

And I don't see the issue with an infant at an at rated movie, it's not like they know what is happening...