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2014/04/14 22:15:04
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Another good episode, and it really feels like this show is going somewhere good (which means cancellation is 100% assured, right?). In any case, the show doesn't get forgiven for spinning its wheels for so long but at the very least this episode is attempting to pay off many of those things, such as bringing back Raina, Quinn, the gun from 0-8-4, the Berserker staff, and even the gravitonium (and therefore Graviton!!!). That's good! Use your universe to build and let those annoyingly tedious stand-alone episodes finally mean something to the greater mytharc. Well done show.
Also, we got a reference to Griffin, which is funny, and to the Cube! That's cool. In the comics it's used to hold captive aliens (potential Norr-Vah introduction?), and in EMH it was used to hold Gamma-infused people (so we could get another mention of Blonsky and even Sterns).
I did like Coulson's speech (and subsequent losing it). And Koenig was funny as well. "My bad! Fury is not dead." I also love the idea of secret SHIELD bases that no one outside of their staff and Fury (and probably Maria Hill) know about. That's such a Fury thing to do. More disturbing is the idea that Project T.A.H.I.T.I. was not run by Fury. What could that mean?
Also, when Garret said "Don't forget to follow your dreams", the camera focused on the person he was letting out. That's actor Patrick Brennan, set to play Marcus Daniels/Blackout in the next few episodes.
Is it just me or does anybody else really just want to see the team get "smart" and kill Ward ASAP?
I guess its a good sign of the acting and writing that I feel so steongly that he just needs to die now because he has pissed me off with his betrayal and continued deception.
I actually hope May kills him...keep Sky "innocent" in a sense.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also....what do you make of the cyborg/Deathlok--like metalllic addition to Garrets chest?
His comment about the heart wanting what it wants while catching the glimpse makes me wonder if he has had his replaced or augmented somehow.....
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2014/04/19 04:24:01
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
The review of the latest episode on the Guardian's website hypothesised that Skye is going to, as MeanDM puts it, "wise up" to Ward fairly sharpish, and the show will combine killing him off(in a typically ambiguous comicbook "this guy will obviously be back at some point" way) with the "big reveal" of why Skye is an 084.
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2014/04/19 15:20:09
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Let's hope so, because the alternate (Ward - and the writers - chicken out and switch back to the good guys because his love of Skye) would kill this show.
Yeah, despite the whole "the girl wasn't part of the deal" thing, I really cannot see Ward seeing the light. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if they chicken out and go for a power of love resolution.
I am also curious about the 084 part; have we really seen Skye get properly angry at any point during the series so far? I'm envisioning her getting completely furious at Ward upon working it out and frying him with her mind.
Goliath wrote: Yeah, despite the whole "the girl wasn't part of the deal" thing, I really cannot see Ward seeing the light. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if they chicken out and go for a power of love resolution.
I am also curious about the 084 part; have we really seen Skye get properly angry at any point during the series so far? I'm envisioning her getting completely furious at Ward upon working it out and frying him with her mind.
Maybe she is going to pull a River Tam......?
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Goliath wrote: Yeah, despite the whole "the girl wasn't part of the deal" thing, I really cannot see Ward seeing the light. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if they chicken out and go for a power of love resolution.
I am also curious about the 084 part; have we really seen Skye get properly angry at any point during the series so far? I'm envisioning her getting completely furious at Ward upon working it out and frying him with her mind.
Maybe she is going to pull a River Tam......?
She's the first actual clairvoyant?
2014/04/19 19:13:21
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Goliath wrote: Yeah, despite the whole "the girl wasn't part of the deal" thing, I really cannot see Ward seeing the light. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if they chicken out and go for a power of love resolution.
I am also curious about the 084 part; have we really seen Skye get properly angry at any point during the series so far? I'm envisioning her getting completely furious at Ward upon working it out and frying him with her mind.
The theory they were espousing was that Skye is actually Spider-Woman(not related to Spidey legally so open-season for the MCU), their reasoning being that recent episodes of Agents have tied together apparent plot holes from the earlier episodes in ways that make them look like deliberate foreshadowing, and the slightly irrational way that all these people in a top-top-secret organisation have no issues at all with some random hacker girl joining up and being everyone's bestie could just be the usual "it makes sense because comics" holes, or it could be Skye unconsciously secreting pheromones which manipulate people's opinion of her. It's a stretch, but it has the added bonus if right of explaining why a supposed hardcase like Ward would be going goo-goo-eyed, and it opens up the possibility of her killing him off(or appearing to) in a rage with an electrostatic blast.
I'm not sure frankly, they need to come out with a few more episodes at the recent level of quality before I'd be willing to credit the writers with the ambition and balls to be that "meta".
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2014/04/19 20:51:59
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Goliath wrote: Yeah, despite the whole "the girl wasn't part of the deal" thing, I really cannot see Ward seeing the light. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if they chicken out and go for a power of love resolution.
I am also curious about the 084 part; have we really seen Skye get properly angry at any point during the series so far? I'm envisioning her getting completely furious at Ward upon working it out and frying him with her mind.
The theory they were espousing was that Skye is actually Spider-Woman(not related to Spidey legally so open-season for the MCU), their reasoning being that recent episodes of Agents have tied together apparent plot holes from the earlier episodes in ways that make them look like deliberate foreshadowing, and the slightly irrational way that all these people in a top-top-secret organisation have no issues at all with some random hacker girl joining up and being everyone's bestie could just be the usual "it makes sense because comics" holes, or it could be Skye unconsciously secreting pheromones which manipulate people's opinion of her. It's a stretch, but it has the added bonus if right of explaining why a supposed hardcase like Ward would be going goo-goo-eyed, and it opens up the possibility of her killing him off(or appearing to) in a rage with an electrostatic blast.
I'm not sure frankly, they need to come out with a few more episodes at the recent level of quality before I'd be willing to credit the writers with the ambition and balls to be that "meta".
Hmmm... That would be odd, considering Spider-woman got her powers from Hydra in the comics.
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2014/04/19 21:21:28
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Goliath wrote: Yeah, despite the whole "the girl wasn't part of the deal" thing, I really cannot see Ward seeing the light. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if they chicken out and go for a power of love resolution.
I am also curious about the 084 part; have we really seen Skye get properly angry at any point during the series so far? I'm envisioning her getting completely furious at Ward upon working it out and frying him with her mind.
The theory they were espousing was that Skye is actually Spider-Woman(not related to Spidey legally so open-season for the MCU), their reasoning being that recent episodes of Agents have tied together apparent plot holes from the earlier episodes in ways that make them look like deliberate foreshadowing, and the slightly irrational way that all these people in a top-top-secret organisation have no issues at all with some random hacker girl joining up and being everyone's bestie could just be the usual "it makes sense because comics" holes, or it could be Skye unconsciously secreting pheromones which manipulate people's opinion of her. It's a stretch, but it has the added bonus if right of explaining why a supposed hardcase like Ward would be going goo-goo-eyed, and it opens up the possibility of her killing him off(or appearing to) in a rage with an electrostatic blast.
I'm not sure frankly, they need to come out with a few more episodes at the recent level of quality before I'd be willing to credit the writers with the ambition and balls to be that "meta".
Hmmm... That would be odd, considering Spider-woman got her powers from Hydra in the comics.
CA:TWS spoilers:
Spoiler:
Would it though? Her "discovery" involved a fair few SHIELD agents getting "crossed-off" in mysterious circumstances if I remember right, both during the event and in the aftermath, and with the top-to-bottom corruption of SHIELD by HYDRA, there's nothing to stop them writing that whole scenario as part of some secret HYDRA-faction experiment. Whether or not I think it's particularly likely she would turn out to be Spider-Woman, given the MCU continuity I'd say ties to HYDRA in a hero/villain's comicbook incarnation makes their appearance more likely, not less.
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2014/04/19 21:31:45
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Platuan4th wrote: Hmmm... That would be odd, considering Spider-woman got her powers from Hydra in the comics.
When she was imbued as a child SHIELD/HYDRA would have been the same thing. The serum just accelerated/unlocked/enhanced it.
I meant more odd in that Hydra seems to want her dead/nothing to do with her rather than to actually use her, especially considering they're trying to create metahumans. If they created her, you'd think they'd want to grab her, not shoot her.
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2014/04/20 00:20:25
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Perhaps her being an 084 will be something that more directly ties in to what she was doing in the first few episodes? That is, being a very skilled hacker.
2014/04/20 03:53:14
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, Skye = Spiderman only comes about from the equation "2 + 2 = pineapple", that is to say tremendous wishful thinking and large leaps of logic.
Isn't Skye a girl? If so, I see a serious flaw in anyone suspecting her becoming Spider-MAN.
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2014/04/20 06:47:18
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Well crikey, if that was any indication the writers might have balls afterall.
Spoiler:
Seriously, they bring on Patton Oswalt, set him up as a cool new quirky character with potential to be a "play by the rules" foil for Coulson in season 2, then have Ward fething garotte him.
Not content, they then have Skye discover the corpse, realise Ward is HYDRA, and then have to act like nothing's wrong. Even if they do pull a "power of love" u-turn with Ward now, there's no way they can reasonably use that to justify a full-on redemption, at best it could convince them to chuck him in a deep dark hole rather than killing him.
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2014/04/23 07:15:45
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
I will stop watching this show if they pull a power of love or something like that. There's just no coming back for Ward. He's killed too many agents in cold blood.
Only way to reverse it is some kind of cheese ball sci-fi explanation like Bill Paxton was mind controlling him or brain washed him or something like that. Hopefully, they won't do that, it would just be a cheap cop out.
2014/04/23 17:32:25
Subject: Re:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
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2014/04/23 17:42:49
Subject: Re:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
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2014/04/23 20:02:42
Subject: Re:Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
I was disappointed in poor Patton. I wanted him to turn out to be a secret badass and just shoot Ward during the interrogation.
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2014/04/23 21:04:22
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
I really enjoy this show, but I'm betting on the power of love bringing Ward back from the darkside.. and it will be skye and ward's little secret for season 2, giving us 3-4 different episodes dealing with how you shouldn't lie to people and you need to be nice to the people you count on and everyone needs a hug.
Maybe, if we're lucky, he'll go down in a blaze of glory to save her, but if that happens, we'll end up with a couple of teen-angsty "he tried to save me and died and he was so nice on the inside, boo hoo" episodes instead.
That's my prediction, since it's network TV, and ABC, which is pretty much the Disney channel... If it were HBO, or even AMC or A&E we'd have a better chance at something cooler.
2014/04/23 21:34:08
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Though it has been said before. IF ward comes back to the good side. I am leaving this show. They could of pulled it off in buffy the vampire slayer with Angel. But Angel was a badass, and he lost his soul so he is completely fine in my book. Whedon don't screw this chance up.
Make Skye become a vengeful son of a gun!
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2014/04/24 00:38:36
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Yeah maybe, but again I think that became a lot less likely after...
Spoiler:
...Ward garotted the likeable bureaucrat and dumped his corpse in an air vent for Skye to find and get bled-on by, then in the plane made it perfectly clear that his actions are all about getting the data from the disc. He's been so deceptive and brutal in the last couple of episodes that only a total fething idiot would even remain in the same room as him given the choice, nevermind start a relationship with him.
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2014/04/24 03:29:42
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
I'm still 90% sure they'll pull a "power of love" reversal, squandering whatever potential this show might have had. It's all that "you're a good man" nonsense from Skye.
Yodhrin wrote: Yeah maybe, but again I think that became a lot less likely after...
Spoiler:
...Ward garotted the likeable bureaucrat and dumped his corpse in an air vent for Skye to find and get bled-on by, then in the plane made it perfectly clear that his actions are all about getting the data from the disc. He's been so deceptive and brutal in the last couple of episodes that only a total fething idiot would even remain in the same room as him given the choice, nevermind start a relationship with him.
Lets see... So there is a guy who holds a gun to your head and tells you to dance to a justin bieber song and he will let you go. What are you going to do? I want to live. I don't want to anger the man with the gun who wouldn't even flinch to kill me.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/04/24 04:00:51
Subject: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is back!/
Yodhrin wrote: dumped his corpse in an air vent for Skye to find and get bled-on by[/spoiler]
Only she and Eric knew about the tracking devices; Ward didn't have a reasonable belief that she would stumble upon him. We are getting layers of dramatic irony, in which Ward thinks he knows more than Skye and can talk about the HDD openly, and of course the audience and Skye knowing that she knows he is lying.
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