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2014/01/22 19:16:32
Subject: Re: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
No. Just no. GW and free are like oil and water, they don't mix
Camouflage is the colour of fear... I have no need to hide from my foes... I have no fear of death. My colours I wear openly, they proclaim louder than any words, "I am proud to live - I am proud to die" :
2014/01/22 20:09:15
Subject: Re: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
the shrouded lord wrote: This is all fethed. Completely. GW has done this so that people who want info, And people who want modelling, will have to buy more gak from them. It misses me off because I can only go into GW once a month, and I can't make online payments. Does anyone know if they will show new release in the vision?
I'm afraid that you are at the opposite view to most people. Most of us were fed up with the glorified brochure that WD had become. If this dose contain real content and no sales pitch many people will be very happy.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
2014/01/22 20:20:37
Subject: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
2014/01/22 22:46:33
Subject: Re: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
Monthly Warhammer Visions having a no effort bad front page for the first issue is a bad omen.
Weakly White Dwarf having English text in a French advertisement is a bad omen.
Kroothawk wrote: Weakly White Dwarf having English text in a French advertisement is a bad omen.
Well, it depends on whether this poster is from an official GW store or from some independent store with a quite good access to leaks .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/01/22 23:10:11
Subject: Re: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Warhammer Visions and White Dwarf will be the ultimate test, if management has totally lost contact with the design team. If both magazines are full of lazy uninspired non-content without the managers noticing, then it's game over man, game over. If weakly WD is English language only, GW has totally given up all non-UK markets.
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It would be so easy to come up with ideas for articles surrounding a given week's releases. The sad thing though, is that'll probably be full of the type of stuff that used to be free on GW's website. Simple painting tutorials. Galleries of marines by chapters. What paints to buy for a given colour scheme. Mostly useless borderline content that should have remained free.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2014/01/23 22:27:10
Subject: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
Warhammer visions looks like it was designed to encourage as little sales as possible. I remember someone theorized that this was a plot to kill off WD.
2014/01/23 22:45:49
Subject: Re: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
thenoobbomb wrote: I thought that that Visions cover was the back cover!
Me too! Talk about uninspired for the 1st number of your new magazine. Keep up the good work GW, next stop an IG codex with just the pretty pictures, we can pay for the privilege of having stats and rules on the dataslates.
M.
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2014/01/24 02:35:06
Subject: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
Lol.. havent bought a white dwarf for years now. Changing the name isnt going to entice me back to it; the internet obsoletes printed media in just about all respects.
Places just like Dakkadakka... this very website is a million times better than whtie dwarf ever was or could be tbh.
Them trying to save a dying medium by changing the name and making it shiny and new is kinda funny
Wouldnt even line a hamster cage with what white dwarf has become over the years! Its probably not even very good kindling for a fireplace on account of the glossy pages and all the ink
Dont get me wrong, it was great in its time before every one and their nan had internet. The prime demographic for it - i.e young lads and teenagers mostly arent going to be interested because it isnt on their smart phones or tablet pc's.
'Ain't nothing crazy about me but my brain. Right brain? Riight! No not you right brain! Right left brain? Right!... Okay then lets do this!!
2014/01/24 14:57:07
Subject: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
No. Just no. GW and free are like oil and water, they don't mix
Actually GW has done the odd freebie now and again.. For instance the recent Space Marine tactical squad paint guide for iBooks- that was free for a good while..
what i don't understand is why everyone thinks that white dwarf was better in the old days. i've recently collected about 50% of the WDs between issue 100 and now and quite frankly the modern ones are much better. some good stuff happened in the earlier stuff, you got how to make terrain once a year, you got a tactica now and again. but mostly it was exactly the same as it is now, except less of it. i think it's nostalgia rather than rationality.
anyway, what do i think about the changes now? well, it looks like warhammer visions will be my thing, i love that sort of stuff. not so sure about the weekly thing, unless they're covering an army i'm collecting.
i don't think this will last. i don't think that weekly is the format that most people will go for. i certainly cba to go to GW once a week!
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No. Just no. GW and free are like oil and water, they don't mix
Actually GW has done the odd freebie now and again.. For instance the recent Space Marine tactical squad paint guide for iBooks- that was free for a good while..
A cynic might say that was all it was worth, even at GW prices.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
daddyorchips wrote: what i don't understand is why everyone thinks that white dwarf was better in the old days. i've recently collected about 50% of the WDs between issue 100 and now and quite frankly the modern ones are much better. some good stuff happened in the earlier stuff, you got how to make terrain once a year, you got a tactica now and again. but mostly it was exactly the same as it is now, except less of it. i think it's nostalgia rather than rationality.
And I'm thinking you've got a serious cause of misremembering going on!
2014/01/25 20:33:32
Subject: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
If the weekly White Dwarf really includes new rules, as GW has indicated on several occasions, I wonder how much that is going to muddy things (since we already have DLC from day 0 as well).
"There is rational thought here. It's just swimming through a sea of stupid and is often concealed from view by the waves of irrational conclusions." - Railguns
2014/01/25 20:35:04
Subject: No More White Dwarf Monthly : Dwarf cover p 14
daddyorchips wrote: what i don't understand is why everyone thinks that white dwarf was better in the old days. i've recently collected about 50% of the WDs between issue 100 and now and quite frankly the modern ones are much better. some good stuff happened in the earlier stuff, you got how to make terrain once a year, you got a tactica now and again. but mostly it was exactly the same as it is now, except less of it. i think it's nostalgia rather than rationality.
anyway, what do i think about the changes now? well, it looks like warhammer visions will be my thing, i love that sort of stuff. not so sure about the weekly thing, unless they're covering an army i'm collecting.
i don't think this will last. i don't think that weekly is the format that most people will go for. i certainly cba to go to GW once a week!
Sounds like you've collected the wrong 50% dude!
Seriously though, my first ever WD was somewhere in the early 100s, forget exactly, it had a barbarian chained to the floor in front of an undead king on a throne on the cover, and sure, not every issue was dripping with hobby goodness. But the amount of usable hobby content was definitely higher, I read and reread all my copies when I was younger, I wasn't a subscriber but I did have it in regular order at the newsagent, so I had dozens before I hit the traditional "beer and girls" break in my late teens/early twenties.
Templates for building 40K scale versions of Epic vehicles, rules for whole games, terrain articles, fiction, extra missions and rules expansions for the various specialist games, datafaxes for new vehicles as well as battle reports etc which had distinctly higher word counts than anything in new Dwarf aren't figments of my imagination. These things existed in the old Dwarf, they no longer do, even if they weren't in every single issue, at least they existed.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
daddyorchips wrote: what i don't understand is why everyone thinks that white dwarf was better in the old days. i've recently collected about 50% of the WDs between issue 100 and now and quite frankly the modern ones are much better. some good stuff happened in the earlier stuff, you got how to make terrain once a year, you got a tactica now and again. but mostly it was exactly the same as it is now, except less of it. i think it's nostalgia rather than rationality.
And I'm thinking you've got a serious cause of misremembering going on!
not at all. i've got maybe 200 issues of WD about a metre away from me that i bought off of ebay over the last couple of months. i've been reading them in order! honestly, whilst there are things that people might think are better, for example they had more games systems so you might get lots you enjoy but you might get nothing at all. the painting wasn't as good, especially in the mid 90s to early 00s. and in the early 00s WD was basically a children's comic. horrible.
it's basically a glorified catalogue and always has been! there was never a golden age of WD!
Seriously though, my first ever WD was somewhere in the early 100s, forget exactly, it had a barbarian chained to the floor in front of an undead king on a throne on the cover, and sure, not every issue was dripping with hobby goodness. But the amount of usable hobby content was definitely higher, I read and reread all my copies when I was younger, I wasn't a subscriber but I did have it in regular order at the newsagent, so I had dozens before I hit the traditional "beer and girls" break in my late teens/early twenties.
Templates for building 40K scale versions of Epic vehicles, rules for whole games, terrain articles, fiction, extra missions and rules expansions for the various specialist games, datafaxes for new vehicles as well as battle reports etc which had distinctly higher word counts than anything in new Dwarf aren't figments of my imagination. These things existed in the old Dwarf, they no longer do, even if they weren't in every single issue, at least they existed.
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yeah, all of those things happened but once or twice a year each, and unless you collected all their games it wasn't much use to you - someone who only played one game got much less content!
Automatically Appended Next Post: wd 173 - may 1994 - 75 pages
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eldar pheonix lords - stats etc
undead - fluff previewing warhammer armies
epic space marine q & a
blood bowl game report
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that's it.
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john blanche on the lost and the damned - art
chaos dwarf ballistics - stats
dark future shooting
realm of chaos tactics
witch elves - fluff
warhammer armies errata
chaplains and commissars rules
warhammer fantasy roleplay missing
book reviews
blood bowl player stats
that's a good one, lots of stuff there.
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standard bearer - jervis waffles
night goblins - how to build an army
battle report - lotr warhammer tactics - army selection
index xenos - fluff
cavalry in lotr
daddyorchips wrote: what i don't understand is why everyone thinks that white dwarf was better in the old days. i've recently collected about 50% of the WDs between issue 100 and now and quite frankly the modern ones are much better. some good stuff happened in the earlier stuff, you got how to make terrain once a year, you got a tactica now and again. but mostly it was exactly the same as it is now, except less of it. i think it's nostalgia rather than rationality.
You are out of your mind.
I just selected White Dwarf 102 at random to look at.
3 pages profiling an artist of the time.
2 pages of news on the company's design team, upcoming games (indeed...) and talking about new miniature lines and events.
1 page of scifi/fantasy book reviews.
1 page of comic.
4 pages of The Fimir Army. Including all rules, stats and points.
9 pages of Fimir adventure for WHFR.
8 pages of art, writing, story and model previews (indeed...) of the upcoming Dark Future game.
2 pages of fan designed banners and shields.
6 pages of art and detailed instructions for painting faces and eyes in Eavy Metal.
2 pages of full rules for the new Eldar War Walker.
2 pages of On The Boil, a Q&A on using magic in WHFR.
2 pages of rules for using kickers in Blood Bowl.
2 pages of new characters for use in Curse of the Mummy's Tomb game.
3 pages on Daemon naming.
7 pages of Index Astartes, giving full rules for campaign injury charts and using healing characters such as medics in such campaigns.
Back cover 6 new Star Players to use in Blood Bowl.
Are you going to seriously compare what's been shunted out of late to that?
2000 l 
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1000 l 
Blood Ravens (using Ravenguard CT) 1500 l 
1500 l
Daemonhunters 1000 points (painted)
