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**daddyorchips**

last one before dinner:

jan 2014 - 150 pages

contents not including news and eavy metal and showing off miniatures

jervis rambling
battle report (20 pages thereof)
john blanche
converting ogres
painting tyranids

so there you go. i picked a load at random and compared them and they're all basically the same gak. there are less games now, but more pages of wd. there was no golden age! if it's gak, it always has been, if it's good, it always has been!

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MeanGreenStompa wrote:
daddyorchips wrote:
what i don't understand is why everyone thinks that white dwarf was better in the old days. i've recently collected about 50% of the WDs between issue 100 and now and quite frankly the modern ones are much better. some good stuff happened in the earlier stuff, you got how to make terrain once a year, you got a tactica now and again. but mostly it was exactly the same as it is now, except less of it. i think it's nostalgia rather than rationality.

You are out of your mind.

I just selected White Dwarf 102 at random to look at.

3 pages profiling an artist of the time.
2 pages of news on the company's design team, upcoming games (indeed...) and talking about new miniature lines and events.
1 page of scifi/fantasy book reviews.
1 page of comic.
4 pages of The Fimir Army. Including all rules, stats and points.
9 pages of Fimir adventure for WHFR.
8 pages of art, writing, story and model previews (indeed...) of the upcoming Dark Future game.
2 pages of fan designed banners and shields.
6 pages of art and detailed instructions for painting faces and eyes in Eavy Metal.
2 pages of full rules for the new Eldar War Walker.
2 pages of On The Boil, a Q&A on using magic in WHFR.
2 pages of rules for using kickers in Blood Bowl.
2 pages of new characters for use in Curse of the Mummy's Tomb game.
3 pages on Daemon naming.
7 pages of Index Astartes, giving full rules for campaign injury charts and using healing characters such as medics in such campaigns.
Back cover 6 new Star Players to use in Blood Bowl.

Are you going to seriously compare what's been shunted out of late to that?

depends on what you want innit!

**MeanGreenStompa**

You're going on the list, sunshine...

**gianlucafiorentini123**

the painting wasn't as good

Have you seen the painting tutorials in recent WDs.

**willb2064**

gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
the painting wasn't as good

Have you seen the painting tutorials in recent WDs.

4 or 5 years ago there was a great balance of painting articles in WD. An Eavy metal masterclass for experienced painters, and a couple of army painting guides of varying standard but still decent quality from the hobby team. The guides they have now are terrible.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

willb2064 wrote:
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
the painting wasn't as good

Have you seen the painting tutorials in recent WDs.

4 or 5 years ago there was a great balance of painting articles in WD. An Eavy metal masterclass for experienced painters, and a couple of army painting guides of varying standard but still decent quality from the hobby team. The guides they have now are terrible.

Anything's better than a couple of pics with no description on what's going on. The Eavy metal master classes were great there was always some useful tips.

**theAnt**

Anyone know whats happening to subscriptions? A straight transition to Warhammer Visions?

**Alpharius**

fishy bob wrote:
shingouki wrote:
Bit late to the party,what happens to regular subscribers???

Flashman wrote:
Already stated in this thread but repeated below for your convenience

Current in-store White Dwarf subscriber?

You will be able to redeem your remaining subscription vouchers for a monthly copy of Warhammer: Visions in any Games Workshop store.

Current mail order White Dwarf subscriber?

If you have a subscription to the current White Dwarf magazine, your subscription will automatically switch over to Warhammer: Visions. With your first issue, we’re also sending you a free copy of the first issue of new White Dwarf weekly, along with a letter from Jes, the editor, explaining the changes. The price you pay will not change during your subscription period.

From March, we’ll begin mailing out your monthly subscriber copy of Warhammer: Visions early so that (Warp storms permitting, of course) you’ll receive your copy during the week before it goes on sale in stores.

**AlexHolker**

Something that has been pointed out on Warseer: Warhammer Visions is an A5 book. For what is, loosely speaking, an art book.

**the shrouded lord**

Sweet, jes' has the same name as me (Jesse) and his necrons are what inspired me to start.

**nanook**

Just noticed the pics on the GWs website and one thing struck me. They point out the new mags are all about warhammer and warhammer 40k.

So I assume they don't give a jot about LOTR or the hobbit long term then! Have they pointed out something inadvertently here?

**Azreal13**

Well, yes and no.

There's certainly no more than what, a year? left in the licence, so even if it is some sort of tacit admission, all that's really happened is it's happened a bit early.

**Pacific**

daddyorchips wrote:

so there you go. i picked a load at random and compared them and they're all basically the same gak. there are less games now, but more pages of wd. there was no golden age! if it's gak, it always has been, if it's good, it always has been!

Erm.. that's certainly an interesting opinion!

I think if you look at the articles, the information they contain, the way they are written, there is a massive disparity in quality. So not so much what they are covering (although there is a difference in that too), but the 'journalistic' content. I've seen similar things happen to other magazines in different industries, a couple of computer mags spring to mind where it was obvious that they had cut down on costs/staff, and the content of the magazine suffered badly as a result. Usually, not long before they close.

I know this from the average toilet-read time scores of the modern magazine, which dropped from a week or so to barely a single visit!

**Harriticus**

I wonder how many pages of phone numbers this WD will have. As GW stores are closing left and right maybe not as many!

**Absolutionis**

Harriticus wrote:
I wonder how many pages of phone numbers this WD will have. As GW stores are closing left and right maybe not as many!

That explains why they had to switch to a new magazine. Without as many phone numbers, the original White Dwarf had run out of content!

**StormKing**

I like the look of the new magazines.....
So is it White Dwarf weekly and then also Warhammer Visons?

Anyone know what the costs will be for them?
It says the cost of the WD will be the same as a pot of paint so what $4.50? I wonder if the monthly one will be what $20 maybe $15? Considering its like 230 pages?
I am going to pick up the copies of both the first ones just to see what it is all about. Maybe it will be a nice change...although I have never bought the previous versions.

**Kroothawk**

AlexHolker wrote:Something that has been pointed out on Warseer: Warhammer Visions is an A5 book. For what is, loosely speaking, an art book.

Maybe someone on Warseer has read my post from 2 weeks ago

Kroothawk wrote:Some more info retailers got:
(...)
2.) Warhammer Visions is indeed mainly photos with short descriptions in 3 (!) languages and no editorial content like columns. Size is smaller, but more pages.

**Compel**

Surely there's no way they're going to be charging £7.50 for an A5 magazine?

**AlexHolker**

Compel wrote:
Surely there's no way they're going to be charging £7.50 for an A5 magazine?

Of course not!

Warhammer Visions hardly counts as a magazine.

**Greenwingf_ftw**

Its a scam to make more money, isn't it obvious? rather than having a £5.50 monthly magazine they are bringing out a weekly one (probably priced around £2.50-£3.00) plus the monthly one probably costing the same amount as the old one, they are trying to quadruple profits... plus anyone expecting refunds i wouldn't get your hopes up, this is GW we are talking about here...

**Tennants Lager**

It's a shame there'll be an end to the monthly WD. For me, the cover of WD 181 with the Mega-Gargant half of the Titan Legions box art was the first thing that drew me to getting into the hobby properly. That said I stopped buying it regularly a long, LONG time ago and the few I've had given to me or made a point of buying recently for things like the flyer rules have indeed seemed more like new release and store listing catalogues as others have said.

As for the new ones... dare say I'll get the first editions on general principle but can't see it thereafter.

**Pacific**

Quite amusing, I was at a games convention today. There were a bunch of guys from Warlord Games, one of them was thumbing through an old copy of WD. He said, "Oh look, these are all the people I work with"

**Kroothawk**

Harriticus wrote:
I wonder how many pages of phone numbers this WD will have. As GW stores are closing left and right maybe not as many!

That explains why they need a weekly magazine for the list

Oh, and GW seems to finally deal with the threat to all Tyranid players

**Formosa**

Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs Dwarfs

YEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Im a tad excited about that if you can tell

**redbristles**

Lovely as it is to see Dwarfs get some attention, I do worry that now we've seen the full WD cover and it mentions rules, that the new weekly WD will become the same as data slates, like a DLC for the Army Book...

**Kanluwen**

redbristles wrote:
Lovely as it is to see Dwarfs get some attention, I do worry that now we've seen the full WD cover and it mentions rules, that the new weekly WD will become the same as data slates, like a DLC for the Army Book...

That's what people have been saying they want.

"We want rules in White Dwarf! CONTENT!"

**Mr Morden**

A full new FAQ /army update/corrections would have been a good start to the year ..............

**Harriticus**

Mr Morden wrote:
A full new FAQ /army update/corrections would have been a good start to the year ..............

Look forward to pretty pictures and a ramble by old-and-tired Jarvis about how wonderful things are.

**skrulnik**

wrt the WD nostalgia, I was mainly a 40k player.
I have played 4 or 5 games of WHFB in nearly 20 years of Wargaming.
But I remember those Warhammer articles from the guy who used all the footnotes. I loved reading those articles.
Engaging and interesting writing that made me forget that I didn't play the game.
It would get me interested in WHFB for a short while, until I remembered I had no one around to play it against.
That is the kind of content WD had and needs again.

The stories they used to put in before Black Library got popular were nice. I remember the Kharn story with the kill counter. It was awesome.

I still have every WD from about 125 or so to 320 I think.
It seemed like every time they added a neat new feature, 2 things I liked would go away.
I finally stopped getting WD when my FLGS couldn't get it in stock any more. Oddly enough, a new GW shop opened in town shortly after.
But just by missing a couple months I was able to realize how little the magazine added to my hobbying.

**redbristles**

Kanluwen wrote:
redbristles wrote:
Lovely as it is to see Dwarfs get some attention, I do worry that now we've seen the full WD cover and it mentions rules, that the new weekly WD will become the same as data slates, like a DLC for the Army Book...

That's what people have been saying they want.

"We want rules in White Dwarf! CONTENT!"

Oh of course, I completely agree. I just hope they don't leave things deliberately out of Codices/Army Books in order to try and sell the weekly mag, that's all.

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skrulnik wrote:

But I remember those Warhammer articles from the guy who used all the footnotes. I loved reading those articles.

That guy was hilarious, all his mates playing in his garage while they all ate greasy fish and chips. Really good reads. I hope they consider getting more non GW employees to guest write some articles.

**reds8n**

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/white-dwarf-ebook.html

Hey Everyone,
Welcome to your weekly look at the upcoming titles from Games Workshop Digital Editions.
This Saturday sees the release of the new weekly incarnation of Games Workshop’s White Dwarf magazine.

I caught up with the editor of the magazine, Jes Bickham, to get his thoughts on the new digital edition of the mag.

It's been a long few months in White Dwarf towers; the team (otherwise known as my scrivener-servitors) have been chained to their word-machines day and night to produce the print versions of the new weekly White Dwarf and the new monthly Warhammer: Visions. They're finally going to be released this weekend, and we're hugely excited to be able to share them with you.

But that's not all! Because we're also proud to announce a digital version of White Dwarf, available in both epub and mobi versions, meaning that you, the good people of Earth, can read White Dwarf every single week on the appliance of your choice!* We've also produced an iPad edition of Warhammer: Visions too. I hope you enjoy them!

*Within reason – Kindle HD and Android phones, for example, rather than toasters or soda pumps.

Thanks, Jes.

You’ll be able to download the eBook edition of the new magazine this Saturday. Issue one kicks off in style with the articles on Warhammer Dwarfs, Tyranid monstrous creatures, painting tips, new rules and the lowdown on all the latest releases.

Check back on Saturday to get your copy.

That’s it for this week, thanks for reading!

- Eddie

from the comments on FB : ebook edition will cost the same as the print version.

Which is the same as a pot of Citadel paint " wherever you live" ...

.... is paint more expensive in certain parts of the world too perchance ?

No epub versions of Visions, for now anyway.

No subscription for/to the digital version of WD. Will be monthly subs. for Visions.