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I'll just recopy what I've found personally as a jist... the codex overall is VERY poor one way or another..


Close combat Biomorphs are no longer applied to all CC attacks, instead you choose which ONE weapon applies to any attack..
Losing Scything talons ability to reroll 1's forces you to run other biomorphs on units that only have scything talons to start
Losing access to ANY other psychic powers

These 3 changes alone are painful enough... but STREAMLINING the cost of biomorphs has destroyed some models more than anything. Those models that could get Regeneration for 20-25, or adrenal glands for 5-10 are now punished, and for the sake of not wanting to take extreme measures against my own custom Tyranid Prime I will ignore how this destroys him as a feasible model alone.

We lost not one, or two, or even three but FOUR units within the codex, with little to replace them. All FMC suffer from the same problem, everyone else has skyfire EXCEPT tyranids, and of WE get shot we have a chance to fall out of the sky. No durability added in, it becomes a game of "when does a stray bullet knock me out of the sky".

Tyrants were nerfed in the means of Old Adversary, no longer STARTING with bone sword and lash whip but now having to spend 20 POINTS to take them, no way of getting 2+ armor.. I mean yes making Tyrant guard autopass look out sir rolls is amazing, but again... game full of ID and ap 2-3.

I'll ignore the Tervigon's existance for the same reason as the overpricing on the Tyranid prime.

Old one eye and death leaper are intersting as HQ, except.... no synapse = not going to be used. Synapse is too mandatory now.

Troops are still as per standard.. everything's points have pretty much evened out to be the exact same, except for Rippers which they should white out of the codex if they're just going to insult us with them, and INCREASING the cost of a Broodlord, and scything talons while taking away their ability, and forcing the BL to take the same power every time...

Elites are again more of the same, Hive guard shouldn't have gone up in price, though getting adrenal glands IS nice. Lictors are a bit more viable now with infiltrade to not bring them in via DS but instead use them as a turn 1 locator beacon. Zoanthropes..... heh... I'm sure I'm not alone saying id rather roll 3 rolls and get 3 saves with 3 shots than 1 set of rolls with 3 shots. Venomthropes got better, point blank easy. Surprisingly so did Pyrovores, but their still useless. Haruspex.... will NEVER see use. it's a weaker old one eye that is more fragile than old one eye, has less attacks, and with an odd number of attacks, no extras, and WS 3, he might hit once a round and MIGHT get the second attack. mandatory adrenal glands to try and get most things across the field.

Fast, Shrikes went down in price with upgrades going up... enough said. Raveners are still the same, except terror is stupidly overpriced. Sky slashers... see ripper requirement for whiteout. Gargoyles... nerfed. up in points. annoying and needless. Harpy/crone... see flyrant issue with being FMC, only these guys have lower saves, and toughness, and worse overall stats. Only upside is MAYBE haywire missling 1 maybe 2 enemy fliers.

Heavy, Carnifex are usable again, very usable. Biovores... got nerfed HARD losing their 1/biovore in the unit, so unless you're eating up multiple heavy slots with 1 biovore at a time to try and cover the field with mines they are vastly under useful for body production. Trygon and prime lost rerolls AND an attack to go down 10 points and up the cost of regen and adrenal glands by 5 points... the ONLY plus here is if you want to dump a load of points, you can give the Prime a bio artifact to adapt its attacks but even that is just putting MORE cost to it... Mawlock got a buff and debuff in one, so dead even. Tyrannofex got the point drop it needed, but not the rupture cannon upgrade it needed, the gun should be at LEAST ap 3, not 4. Exocrine is by far the best of the new units, since if you platform it it goes to bs4, IF you platform it. Still not that good though.

I love tyranids.. so I've been mulling this over for the last 2-3 days reading and re reading and comparing the codex to the old one checking for little things that were changed hear and there.. and well, they removed things and hid it under a pile of slight point reductions and a couple of VERY justified point reductions.

I haven't read through the whole thread, but have people actually had success returning the book? Even with the shrink wrap gone?

yep, many people have, i dont think they want you in the shop complaining about how bad they are any longer than they need to!

Its the best way to send a message, its the only language they understand

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
Just a second.
Mmmmmm..... Nope. I just re-read my post and never claimed such.

I took the "ringing any bells" as an implied "it's like another certain flyer unit that's really good". Clearly I was mistaken.

 soomemafia wrote:
If your definition of a bad unit is that it's not as good as Heldrake, then no wonder you got disappointed.

And while we're on the subject of things not said...

So a misunderstanding here as well. From my point of view I tod that Crone is good unit and the answer I get is that "it's not Heldrake"

And yes, I was simply nothing that 4+ saves are pretty common with current power of Tau and Eldar, so this might be pretty good.
Oh, and Haywire Missiles. Aand S8 Vector Strike. Overall it's not a bad flyer.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
no more armoured shell for the tyrant. that is true. but the tyrant is much better than before so im not complaining.

You take the Tyrant for his possibility to become the best type ever, Flying Monstrous Creature.
Flying 24 inches forward an then shooting 12 shots twin-linked at a better Bs (Bs4) and str of 6. Being a more potent psyker than before with better deny the witch potential, 2 cast per turn and a shadow in the warp upgrade (loss of iron arm posibility which does really suck but hive mind powers are very decent). Whats great is even though its better than before, and it was our star player in the last dex, its now 30pts less!!! that is just amazing!!! plus it gets much better synergy from the rest of the codex since harpys and crones are a super viable option and distract the anti air shot of the opponent.

if people are not able to realise how good the flyrant now became than they will never be happy.

> Almost exactly the same as the last codex with stats except for a change to BS and Intuitive
> Can't footslog anymore without spending another 150 points on Tyranid guards
> Can fly, just like in the last codex
> Can use devourers, just like in the last codex
> 30 point decrease, wow that does sound good
> Oh wait I can't increase my toughness, I've got randomised mediocre psychic powers, and I no longer can avoid the massive issue of lacking a 2+ save
> "Synergy"
> Best hope the enemy isn't smart enough to shoot at the actual threat huh 'eh guys? I hope you realize that's not work synergy means, that's what we call a distraction.

So, the angry person in me is actually tempted to buy the new codex with the sole intent of returning it. I'm running a fairly bad CSM list against it tomorrow, and expecting to beat it quite handily. I have no idea what sort of Tyranid list I'm going to be facing, but I expect it to crumble horriffically against the CSMs. I don't expect them to ever make it to CC with me, since I figure all the synapse is just going to explode in a hail of ap3 bolter fire.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
no more armoured shell for the tyrant. that is true. but the tyrant is much better than before so im not complaining.

You take the Tyrant for his possibility to become the best type ever, Flying Monstrous Creature.
Flying 24 inches forward an then shooting 12 shots twin-linked at a better Bs (Bs4) and str of 6. Being a more potent psyker than before with better deny the witch potential, 2 cast per turn and a shadow in the warp upgrade (loss of iron arm posibility which does really suck but hive mind powers are very decent). Whats great is even though its better than before, and it was our star player in the last dex, its now 30pts less!!! that is just amazing!!! plus it gets much better synergy from the rest of the codex since harpys and crones are a super viable option and distract the anti air shot of the opponent.

if people are not able to realise how good the flyrant now became than they will never be happy.

But it is still bad writing to eliminate choices. Choosing between wings and 2+ was good internal balance. I for one think walking tyrants look better than winged ones, but now winged is the only real option.

 Crimson wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:
no more armoured shell for the tyrant. that is true. but the tyrant is much better than before so im not complaining.

You take the Tyrant for his possibility to become the best type ever, Flying Monstrous Creature.
Flying 24 inches forward an then shooting 12 shots twin-linked at a better Bs (Bs4) and str of 6. Being a more potent psyker than before with better deny the witch potential, 2 cast per turn and a shadow in the warp upgrade (loss of iron arm posibility which does really suck but hive mind powers are very decent). Whats great is even though its better than before, and it was our star player in the last dex, its now 30pts less!!! that is just amazing!!! plus it gets much better synergy from the rest of the codex since harpys and crones are a super viable option and distract the anti air shot of the opponent.

if people are not able to realise how good the flyrant now became than they will never be happy.

But it is still bad writing to eliminate choices. Choosing between wings and 2+ was good internal balance. I for one think walking tyrants look better than winged ones, but now winged is the only real option.

Agreed, I quite liked my Armoured Shell Tyrant in 5th edition... it was always a pain in the butt for my opponents to deal with.

Do you think being able to split Synapse units, like Warriors, up and put them into units that don't have Synapse would have helped at all? Kind of like how the Royal Court or Wolf Guard work. Or do you think that would have been too "Squad Leader" esque for Tyranids?

MIni MIehm wrote:
So, the angry person in me is actually tempted to buy the new codex with the sole intent of returning it. I'm running a fairly bad CSM list against it tomorrow, and expecting to beat it quite handily. I have no idea what sort of Tyranid list I'm going to be facing, but I expect it to crumble horriffically against the CSMs. I don't expect them to ever make it to CC with me, since I figure all the synapse is just going to explode in a hail of ap3 bolter fire.

Assuming this isn't humor. I fully expect them to destroy you You best make good target priority or you be eaten.

Fragile wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
So, the angry person in me is actually tempted to buy the new codex with the sole intent of returning it. I'm running a fairly bad CSM list against it tomorrow, and expecting to beat it quite handily. I have no idea what sort of Tyranid list I'm going to be facing, but I expect it to crumble horriffically against the CSMs. I don't expect them to ever make it to CC with me, since I figure all the synapse is just going to explode in a hail of ap3 bolter fire.

Assuming this isn't humor. I fully expect them to destroy you You best make good target priority or you be eaten.

Good target priority is easy when the giant hive tyrant is goofing off shouting "hey im a synapse creature if you kill me you win" simply take your tri-las preds and give it a whirl or better yet just gun them down with those 1k sons you have since they cant take a 2+ and you can just pump out enough bullets to eventually do something

@ mr crimson, it isnt BAD writing to eliminate choices. Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.
you guys are all such whiny baby, STOP LOOKING ONLY AT WHAT YOU LOST. Look at the loss and compare with what we gained and realize it very decent.

for example: yes we lost the 2+ walking tyrant, a mediocre option from last dex, what we gained is a considerably better flyrant for 30 pt cheaper.... I will repeat that for the thick skulls out there, 30 pts cheaper yet better than before! (and it was our best unit last dex)

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:
no more armoured shell for the tyrant. that is true. but the tyrant is much better than before so im not complaining.

You take the Tyrant for his possibility to become the best type ever, Flying Monstrous Creature.
Flying 24 inches forward an then shooting 12 shots twin-linked at a better Bs (Bs4) and str of 6. Being a more potent psyker than before with better deny the witch potential, 2 cast per turn and a shadow in the warp upgrade (loss of iron arm posibility which does really suck but hive mind powers are very decent). Whats great is even though its better than before, and it was our star player in the last dex, its now 30pts less!!! that is just amazing!!! plus it gets much better synergy from the rest of the codex since harpys and crones are a super viable option and distract the anti air shot of the opponent.

if people are not able to realise how good the flyrant now became than they will never be happy.

But it is still bad writing to eliminate choices. Choosing between wings and 2+ was good internal balance. I for one think walking tyrants look better than winged ones, but now winged is the only real option.

Agreed, I quite liked my Armoured Shell Tyrant in 5th edition... it was always a pain in the butt for my opponents to deal with.

I still miss my 3rd edition winged tyrants. 2+ save, winged, and came with warp blast every time for under 200 points....those were the days.....

 fartherthanfar wrote:
@ mr crimson, it isnt BAD writing to eliminate choices. Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.
you guys are all such whiny baby, STOP LOOKING ONLY AT WHAT YOU LOST. Look at the loss and compare with what we gained and realize it very decent.

for example: yes we lost the 2+ walking tyrant, a mediocre option from last dex, what we gained is a considerably better flyrant for 30 pt cheaper.... I will repeat that for the thick skulls out there, 30 pts cheaper yet better than before! (and it was our best unit last dex)

Nids lost survivability. All in all your gonna get about 10-15% more bodies for your points. It is not nearly enough to compensate for all we lost.


Right DR ?

we didnt lose survivability, we gained it, Venomthropes anyone!? sure we lost biomancy with its amazing iron arm, its was a 1 out of 3 chances for a flyrant to get it. I much prefer the current flyrant

I am amazed at the level of unhapinness coming from some of you guys (and girls possibly). some of you really think that returning the codex to the store will change GW ways? Get your heads out of your asses and grow some balls, when life deals you a crappy hand you deal with it like a man, not like a whiny biitch.
If anything im happy that this isnt a top dog codex, I would feel bad winning even more than before simply due to the table being tilted in my favor. I much prefer winning when the table is tilted against me. (by this I mean fighting a wave serpent spam or triptide or screamerstars cuz against other list that arent as optimized (in an op way) I feel im evenly matched)

people are whinning saying "str4 ap3 bolters will destroy me" my answer is "are you high?" all of our ArSv 3+ guys are T6 with 4-6 wounds and can still get coversaves and even feel no pain. ap3 bolters dont scare me in the least.

notice that whenever im talking about the new codex im mentionning the good but also the bad, im actually looking at the full picture, most everyone else is just going "We lost this, and that, and he isnt as good as before, and this one didnt get better like i was hoping..." with no mention of what we actually gained.

how to recognize a hater: they only see the bad and focus on that, they chooses to ignore the good, if they do see it and/or mention it they add why its not enough. They can't actually accept that there is anything good in this codex cuz they want to whine, and admiting that some things got better would not satisfy them in their need to hate, biitch and moan.

we didnt lose survivability, we gained it, Venomthropes anyone!?

As someone who is an Emperor's Children player, aka Noise Marine Blastmasters. I still don't understand this statement.

Also considering that Tau will easily Ignores Cover all over, Eldar won't care and simply drown you in rate of fire, Dark Eldar still being your counter and all..

I mean even the Heldrake breaks cover so much.

 fartherthanfar wrote:


how to recognize a hater: they only see the bad and focus on that, they chooses to ignore the good, if they do see it and/or mention it they add why its not enough. They can't actually accept that there is anything good in this codex cuz they want to whine, and admiting that some things got better would not satisfy them in their need to hate, biitch and moan.

How to recognise someone who cannot argue for the life of them. Note the use of the term "hater", and the words whining and bitching. It's almost like we're on the YouTube comment section. This poorly strung together ad-hom attack is used when the user is countered by logic, or a decent response.

I've looked at the full picture, in fact, I've looked over it and searched for something to like, but the copious amount of crap that cover and smudge the small amounts of mediocre to good stuff is ludicrous. One or two good units are not good when the other twelve range from mediocre to awful. You don't even need to make comparisons with the last codex to know this, unless, your fine with mono build.

 fishy bob wrote:
I haven't read through the whole thread, but have people actually had success returning the book? Even with the shrink wrap gone?

Depends where you bought it from, GW will give you a hard time, but then just call customer service.


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 fartherthanfar wrote:
we didnt lose survivability, we gained it, Venomthropes anyone!? sure we lost biomancy with its amazing iron arm, its was a 1 out of 3 chances for a flyrant to get it. I much prefer the current flyrant

I am amazed at the level of unhapinness coming from some of you guys (and girls possibly). some of you really think that returning the codex to the store will change GW ways? Get your heads out of your asses and grow some balls, when life deals you a crappy hand you deal with it like a man, not like a whiny biitch.
If anything im happy that this isnt a top dog codex, I would feel bad winning even more than before simply due to the table being tilted in my favor. I much prefer winning when the table is tilted against me. (by this I mean fighting a wave serpent spam or triptide or screamerstars cuz against other list that arent as optimized (in an op way) I feel im evenly matched)

people are whinning saying "str4 ap3 bolters will destroy me" my answer is "are you high?" all of our ArSv 3+ guys are T6 with 4-6 wounds and can still get coversaves and even feel no pain. ap3 bolters dont scare me in the least.

notice that whenever im talking about the new codex im mentionning the good but also the bad, im actually looking at the full picture, most everyone else is just going "We lost this, and that, and he isnt as good as before, and this one didnt get better like i was hoping..." with no mention of what we actually gained.

how to recognize a hater: they only see the bad and focus on that, they chooses to ignore the good, if they do see it and/or mention it they add why its not enough. They can't actually accept that there is anything good in this codex cuz they want to whine, and admiting that some things got better would not satisfy them in their need to hate, biitch and moan.

There's the pot calling the kettle black.

Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.

old chaos . Good Plague marines , oblits and flying Demon Princes.
new chaos .Good Plague marines , oblits and flying Demons Planes.

 Imposter101 wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:


how to recognize a hater: they only see the bad and focus on that, they chooses to ignore the good, if they do see it and/or mention it they add why its not enough. They can't actually accept that there is anything good in this codex cuz they want to whine, and admiting that some things got better would not satisfy them in their need to hate, biitch and moan.

How to recognise someone who cannot argue for the life of them. Note the use of the term "hater", and the words whining and bitching. It's almost like we're on the YouTube comment section. This poorly strung together ad-hom attack is used when the user is countered by logic, or a decent response.

I've looked at the full picture, in fact, I've looked over it and searched for something to like, but the copious amount of crap that cover and smudge the small amounts of mediocre to good stuff is ludicrous.

But dude, the flyrant is the bestest ever! No one can shoot them down in one turn! Only WAAC jerks do that!

As a tyanid player whose just bought the codex and had a chance to ponder it I’d like to add my opinion.

Firstly I agree that the codex production is quite lazy and it is mildly annoying that for such an expensive book, much of the art, stories, etc is just a rehash of old stuff.

But anyway onto the rules.

I don’t believe that the list is bad, I think at first glance it seems that way because it doesn’t have a blockbuster unit (other than the flyrant) but that’s actually a good thing because the codex is much better balanced internally than most. This codex is incredibly synergistic, everything depends on each other- the hordes depend on the monstrous creatures for synapse while the monstrous creatures depend on the hordes for cover and objectives. The problem is with tyranids more than most is that, if you overwhelm one portion of it (usually the synapse) then the entire thing falls apart spectacularly. This means that you need massive redundancy with this codex so it’s a combined arms force with just so much of everything that you overwhelm your opponent, this is obviously the way the designers intended it to be since by and large point costs have gone down for almost everything. I do think it will be quite a good army when played cheaply and numerously.

The problem I have with this is that seems the ONLY way to play it; because of all this redundancy you need and because they got rid of spores and yamagarls, the codex has almost no depth to it. I think the only way to play tyranids now is bumrushing up the board with loads of everything so that the only choice you are really making is having mostly big bugs or having mostly little bugs, still you are talking about taking lots and rushing them head on.

I played a deep strike list in 5th because I enjoyed having less on the board for the ability to ambush, I’m gutted that this option is gone now with little offered instead.

I also think it was lazy of gw to keep synapse basically the way it was. Why not reward players for layering synapse somehow instead of just making it necessary to do so or else, that massively cuts down on the depth of the codex. In dawn of war there is different synapses which give you different bonuses and I thought something like this might come in to play on tabletop.

The other thing which smacks of laziness to me is having one biomorph cost for every unit…how can regeneration cost the same for a tervigon or a hive tyrant as a broodlord or a prime? I really can’t see the logic behind that, it was fine before.

Reading the forums though, I can’t understand people complaining about the tervigons. They were obviously overpowered before, 160 points for a T6 W6 troops unit that spawns more troops? In an objective game?! I think GW have got it right this time and that’s a good thing because it’s still a great unit but the question now is whether to take a tervigon not how many to take.

Miniwargaming's first impressions of the codex.


They do a good balanced review, going over each new thing, and also saying that its all well and good talking about what they see on the paper, but to really see if things will work or if things are really bad or not, they have to play them in a game first. Which I can't agree more with.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
we didnt lose survivability, we gained it, Venomthropes anyone!? sure we lost biomancy with its amazing iron arm, its was a 1 out of 3 chances for a flyrant to get it. I much prefer the current flyrant

I am amazed at the level of unhapinness coming from some of you guys (and girls possibly). some of you really think that returning the codex to the store will change GW ways? Get your heads out of your asses and grow some balls, when life deals you a crappy hand you deal with it like a man, not like a whiny biitch.
If anything im happy that this isnt a top dog codex, I would feel bad winning even more than before simply due to the table being tilted in my favor. I much prefer winning when the table is tilted against me. (by this I mean fighting a wave serpent spam or triptide or screamerstars cuz against other list that arent as optimized (in an op way) I feel im evenly matched)

Then you obviously playing against inferior opponents. Which is fine if that is your meta, but dont try to pretend that you beating elementary school kids is going to translate to a good codex. The Venom is a nice change, but your precious bug will die first, and then what do you have ? Not much.

 fartherthanfar wrote:
@ mr crimson, it isnt BAD writing to eliminate choices. Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.
you guys are all such whiny baby, STOP LOOKING ONLY AT WHAT YOU LOST. Look at the loss and compare with what we gained and realize it very decent.

for example: yes we lost the 2+ walking tyrant, a mediocre option from last dex, what we gained is a considerably better flyrant for 30 pt cheaper.... I will repeat that for the thick skulls out there, 30 pts cheaper yet better than before! (and it was our best unit last dex)

Um... You realise there is a major difference between 3+ and 2+ don't you?
I mean, with 3+ their is a 1/3 chance of being wounded, a 2+
is 1/6
Half as many shots will wound a 2+ as 3+.
Also, hive tyrants with wings are ugly as hell.
Especially when people put fleshborer hives on them, I mean seriously, how does one of those things fly.
Don't say "well how does the harpy/crone/shrike/gargoyles fly?"
They have specialised hollow bones and gas bladders.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:
@ mr crimson, it isnt BAD writing to eliminate choices. Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.
you guys are all such whiny baby, STOP LOOKING ONLY AT WHAT YOU LOST. Look at the loss and compare with what we gained and realize it very decent.

for example: yes we lost the 2+ walking tyrant, a mediocre option from last dex, what we gained is a considerably better flyrant for 30 pt cheaper.... I will repeat that for the thick skulls out there, 30 pts cheaper yet better than before! (and it was our best unit last dex)

Um... You realise there is a major difference between 3+ and 2+ don't you?
I mean, with 3+ their is a 1/3 chance of being wounded, a 2+
is 1/6
Half as many shots will wound a 2+ as 3+.
Also, hive tyrants with wings are ugly as hell.
Especially when people put fleshborer hives on them, I mean seriously, how does one of those things fly.
Don't say "well how does the harpy/crone/shrike/gargoyles fly?"
They have specialised hollow bones and gas bladders.

No he is right - you are all simply comparing the 5E codex tat for tat without thinking context (6E)... Power Weapons are not the same in 6E and while it would be nice if all of your units were 2+ the impact is not so drastic. And as for ugliness - well, I sort of agree but that's a different story...

Guys

Guys, listen

I know how to fix it

To fix the codex

Listen

Give

Give the Pyrovore

Give the Pyrovore Soul Blaze

BAM

Epic codex.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Guys

Guys, listen

I know how to fix it

To fix the codex

Listen

Give

Give the Pyrovore

Give the Pyrovore Soul Blaze

BAM

Epic codex.

Pfft, stealing from chaos, is there anything that soul blaze cannot fix?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Guys

Guys, listen

I know how to fix it

To fix the codex

Listen

Give

Give the Pyrovore

Give the Pyrovore Soul Blaze

BAM

Epic codex.

Welcome to the GW Dev. team.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:
@ mr crimson, it isnt BAD writing to eliminate choices. Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.
you guys are all such whiny baby, STOP LOOKING ONLY AT WHAT YOU LOST. Look at the loss and compare with what we gained and realize it very decent.

for example: yes we lost the 2+ walking tyrant, a mediocre option from last dex, what we gained is a considerably better flyrant for 30 pt cheaper.... I will repeat that for the thick skulls out there, 30 pts cheaper yet better than before! (and it was our best unit last dex)

Um... You realise there is a major difference between 3+ and 2+ don't you?
I mean, with 3+ their is a 1/3 chance of being wounded, a 2+
is 1/6
Half as many shots will wound a 2+ as 3+.
Also, hive tyrants with wings are ugly as hell.
Especially when people put fleshborer hives on them, I mean seriously, how does one of those things fly.
Don't say "well how does the harpy/crone/shrike/gargoyles fly?"
They have specialised hollow bones and gas bladders.

of course I realize 2+ is better than 3+

do you realize that most shots that have the strength to hurt the tyrant are gonna be Ap2? And being a FMC will make most of those shot not even hit through lack of skyfire (most skyfire shot are not ap3-2) while also making the tyrant four times faster than by walking, yes he can be grounded but as an overall the flyrant has more survivability than the walking armored carapace tyrant by making the nasty shot miss and not letting him shoot at him for as many turn since in 2 turns he can reach anywhere on the board whereas the armored carapace tyrant can be kited very easily and never do anything other then be a moving target.

ugly models are an opportunity for fun conversion, I love my flyrants, they look awesome, check them out on my profile if you want to see them.

 fartherthanfar wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 fartherthanfar wrote:
@ mr crimson, it isnt BAD writing to eliminate choices. Every codex that EVER came out eliminated choice from previous issues.
you guys are all such whiny baby, STOP LOOKING ONLY AT WHAT YOU LOST. Look at the loss and compare with what we gained and realize it very decent.

for example: yes we lost the 2+ walking tyrant, a mediocre option from last dex, what we gained is a considerably better flyrant for 30 pt cheaper.... I will repeat that for the thick skulls out there, 30 pts cheaper yet better than before! (and it was our best unit last dex)

Um... You realise there is a major difference between 3+ and 2+ don't you?
I mean, with 3+ their is a 1/3 chance of being wounded, a 2+
is 1/6
Half as many shots will wound a 2+ as 3+.
Also, hive tyrants with wings are ugly as hell.
Especially when people put fleshborer hives on them, I mean seriously, how does one of those things fly.
Don't say "well how does the harpy/crone/shrike/gargoyles fly?"
They have specialised hollow bones and gas bladders.

of course I realize 2+ is better than 3+

do you realize that most shots that have the strength to hurt the tyrant are gonna be Ap2? And being a FMC will make most of those shot not even hit through lack of skyfire (most skyfire shot are not ap3-2) while also making the tyrant four times faster than by walking, yes he can be grounded but as an overall the flyrant has more survivability than the walking armored carapace tyrant by making the nasty shot miss and not letting him shoot at him for as many turn since in 2 turns he can reach anywhere on the board whereas the armored carapace tyrant can be kited very easily and never do anything other then be a moving target.

ugly models are an opportunity for fun conversion, I love my flyrants, they look awesome, check them out on my profile if you want to see them.

Missile launchers and skyfire missile launchers are first to come to my mind.

Power weapons as well. Big difference between getting no save, and a getting a 2+ save.