The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)

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**ductvader**

I ran all my models naked...and having psychic powers/lances/dominion on zoeys was probably the strongest point of the list...and the continuous pinning tests of stranglers.

**tetrisphreak**

Oh yes. Tau hate pinning checks - I play tau as well (not lately because they're so OP now it's boring to win with them) and I've had riptides get pinned in the past. Barbed Stranglers/the horror/etc are great tools vs tau and guard armies.

**tag8833**

ductvader wrote:
I just ran an eternal Swarm...and put down OVESAstar.

It was glorious.

Hormagaunts, Termagants, 1 Tervigon, 2 Primes, 9 Zoanthropes, and 9 Warriors (3 Stranglers)

Synapse was no problem.

It was so many models though I'll probably never play it again.

How many points were you running? 3000?

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xttz wrote:
tag8833 wrote:
I understand the walkrant for the Tyrant Node, but it seems like a Tyranid prime would make a better warlord. Give your formation Tyrant Hive commander, and then you could outflank the prime with the TGaunts. I guess I wasn't thinking it through completely. A Tyranid Prime wouldn't save enough points to get you a 2nd Carnifex or 3 biovores.

I really struggle to justify a Prime in a list over a Tyrant. All you really get is the synapse, no psychic rolls (which made the game for me here) and no TL Devs or HVC. Both Tyrants more than pulled their weight in shooting alone, let alone Paroxsym / Catalyst. A Walkrant with 3 guards is also arguably more durable than a Prime in guants, and I had to take the guards.

Walkrant with Guards is durable, but you can only put guards with one of your walkrants. That means you have one running around with no guards. No guards + no wings = dead walkrant right?

**xttz**

tag8833 wrote:
ductvader wrote:
I just ran an eternal Swarm...and put down OVESAstar.

It was glorious.

Hormagaunts, Termagants, 1 Tervigon, 2 Primes, 9 Zoanthropes, and 9 Warriors (3 Stranglers)

Synapse was no problem.

It was so many models though I'll probably never play it again.

How many points were you running? 3000?

By using no upgrades other than the stranglers, 90 Termas and 59 Hormas, I make that list 1850 exactly. Most things there are pretty cheap.

tag8833 wrote:

Walkrant with Guards is durable, but you can only put guards with one of your walkrants. That means you have one running around with no guards. No guards + no wings = dead walkrant right?

Usually it would, and yeah I'd probably try to squeeze in an extra Guard for him next time - that walkrant survived the game on 1 wound. In this case, he was quite low on the threat priority list compared to the DakkaFex, Exocrine, Trygon and warlord Walkrant all bearing down on the Aegis line. My opponent also suffered a bit from targeting ADD as I shifted Catalyst around and he tried to avoid it. Here's how my MC's finished:

Warlord Walkrant: 2 wounds, all guards dead
Formation Walkrant: 1 wound
Dakkafex: dead
Exocrine: 4 wounds
Trygon Prime: 2 wounds (managed to save against 2 lascannon wounds with Shrouded at the end)

**ductvader**

xttz wrote:
tag8833 wrote:
ductvader wrote:
I just ran an eternal Swarm...and put down OVESAstar.

It was glorious.

Hormagaunts, Termagants, 1 Tervigon, 2 Primes, 9 Zoanthropes, and 9 Warriors (3 Stranglers)

Synapse was no problem.

It was so many models though I'll probably never play it again.

How many points were you running? 3000?

By using no upgrades other than the stranglers, 90 Termas and 59 Hormas, I make that list 1850 exactly. Most things there are pretty cheap.

Ran it at 1850 yes.

Sidenote: I keep rolling the multi-point IC slayer trait IN EVERY GAME.

**xttz**

My warlord keeps rolling the goddamn jungle trait. And all the club terrain is ruins/trenches.
I swear next time it happens I'll just go outside, grab a handful of grass and flowers from the nearby field and dump them on the board.

**ductvader**

xttz wrote:
My warlord keeps rolling the goddamn jungle trait. And all the club terrain is ruins/trenches.
I swear next time it happens I'll just go outside, grab a handful of grass and flowers from the nearby field and dump them on the board.

I like you.

**rigeld2**

Aside from pride, why use our Warlord table? IMO it's kind of crappy and we're allowed to use the BRB ones.

When generating its Warlord Traits, a Tyranid Warlord may either roll on one of the Warlord Traits tables in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, or instead roll on the Warlord Traits table presented here.

**ductvader**

rigeld2 wrote:
Aside from pride, why use our Warlord table? IMO it's kind of crappy and we're allowed to use the BRB ones.

When generating its Warlord Traits, a Tyranid Warlord may either roll on one of the Warlord Traits tables in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, or instead roll on the Warlord Traits table presented here.

Personal Traits is where its at for bugs.

**tag8833**

ductvader wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Aside from pride, why use our Warlord table? IMO it's kind of crappy and we're allowed to use the BRB ones.

When generating its Warlord Traits, a Tyranid Warlord may either roll on one of the Warlord Traits tables in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, or instead roll on the Warlord Traits table presented here.

Personal Traits is where its at for bugs.

Walk me through your logic a bit. Rolling a 6, and making a flyrant scoring would be a bonus, but most of the other Personal traits seem not that great for a typical dakka flyrant. A Tyranid Prime, on the other hand...

For me the best warlord table for Tyranids is either strategic or the Tyranid specific ones. Both of those lists have several beneficial options.

If I plan to roll on the Tyranid table, I offer my opponent a choice, either I reroll the forest one, or we include at least 3 forests in our terrain selections. I've never run into anyone who was upset with this deal.

**captnobvious**

Maybe it's just my local club's meta. But how do you deal with flyers? Like if I don't try and field 2 crones, I'm shaking in my crushing claws......

Like its a rare day if I don't see A couple vendettas, thunderhawks, razorwings, and full fleet of croissants.

**Addaran**

Two questions for the Hive Mind!

1) Wich table do you usually go for the warlord traits? Strategic seems the better but only if you do use reserve/outflank. The two other from the BRB and the tyranid ones all have good ones and horrible ones, always hard to choose. Often i just get a crappy trait. =(

2) Some of you tried fortifications. I've heard of skyshield, bastion, aegis defence line and the vengeance batterie being used. Are they worth it? In what kind of lists do you use them? Seems the vengeance batterie could be fun.and help with some weakness the nids have. Giving very far range, high str low AP shots, skyfire as well as giving you two cover you can put anywhere you want. Seems they can also get battlements/battlefields so you could put barricades for 2+ saves with a venom.

**captnobvious**

Addaran wrote:
Two questions for the Hive Mind!

1) Wich table do you usually go for the warlord traits? Strategic seems the better but only if you do use reserve/outflank. The two other from the BRB and the tyranid ones all have good ones and horrible ones, always hard to choose. Often i just get a crappy trait. =(

2) Some of you tried fortifications. I've heard of skyshield, bastion, aegis defence line and the vengeance batterie being used. Are they worth it? In what kind of lists do you use them? Seems the vengeance batterie could be fun.and help with some weakness the nids have. Giving very far range, high str low AP shots, skyfire as well as giving you two cover you can put anywhere you want. Seems they can also get battlements/battlefields so you could put barricades for 2+ saves with a venom.

Aegis is a substitute/additional venomthrope. Cheap (indestructible) cover.

Comms relay on a Bastion is relevant for reserves. And its relatively cheap, throw some Biovores in there and be happy.

Skyshield is a bit expensive and considering our (relative) lack of range, is rough. But obviously it comboes well with venoms.

IMO

**rigeld2**

captnobvious wrote:
Maybe it's just my local club's meta. But how do you deal with flyers? Like if I don't try and field 2 crones, I'm shaking in my crushing claws......

Like its a rare day if I don't see A couple vendettas, thunderhawks, razorwings, and full fleet of croissants.

2 Flyrants and 6 Dakkafexes are all the AA I've needed so far.

**captnobvious**

rigeld2 wrote:
captnobvious wrote:
Maybe it's just my local club's meta. But how do you deal with flyers? Like if I don't try and field 2 crones, I'm shaking in my crushing claws......

Like its a rare day if I don't see A couple vendettas, thunderhawks, razorwings, and full fleet of croissants.

2 Flyrants and 6 Dakkafexes are all the AA I've needed so far.

6 Dakkafexes? Thats only 900 points....no big whoop.....

**xttz**

A 1-2 dakkafexes will cope with most AV10/11 flyers. The big problem is things like Stormravens with AV12, which is when you'll need 3+.

Hive Tyrants with the same weapons can do the same thing, and perform loads better if you have Wings to use Skyfire. Also don't forget Flyrants that roll Warp Blast can skyfire the lance attack, which is really nasty against basically any flyer.

**ductvader**

captnobvious wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
captnobvious wrote:
Maybe it's just my local club's meta. But how do you deal with flyers? Like if I don't try and field 2 crones, I'm shaking in my crushing claws......

Like its a rare day if I don't see A couple vendettas, thunderhawks, razorwings, and full fleet of croissants.

2 Flyrants and 6 Dakkafexes are all the AA I've needed so far.

6 Dakkafexes? Thats only 900 points....no big whoop.....

460 for flyrants, 415 for a tervigon 30 gants and 3 warriors, Take a venomthrope and spread out the last 30 points...that's a decent list.

Or skip the tervigon and play with your points a bit more by just taking 2 or 3 warrior broods.

**rigeld2**

My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.

**ductvader**

rigeld2 wrote:
My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.

Weren't you running some Warrior Broods before? My Stranglers always do some work...but an exocrine might be worth playing with.

**pinecone77**

rigeld2 wrote:
My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.[/quote
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You certainly could, with that many Carnifexen, I'd recomend a Mawloc (not everybody likes 'em, but I do ) That should save a few points to spend else where...

**rigeld2**

ductvader wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.

Weren't you running some Warrior Broods before? My Stranglers always do some work...but an exocrine might be worth playing with.

Yeah, I was thinking I was but I'm away from my books so not sure on points.
I hate Exocrines. I've tried one for about 7 games - 5 at the Railhead Rumble. That weekend my Exocrine killed 3 models. Total. Throughout 5 games.
Maybe I'm just using him wrong. Who knows.

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pinecone77 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.

You certainly could, with that many Carnifexen, I'd recomend a Mawloc (not everybody likes 'em, but I do ) That should save a few points to spend else where...

I refuse to use Trygons, Mawlocs or Raveners. I don't like the snake aesthetic.

**xttz**

I'm torn between two very different lists for my next game...

I can either go all-out with Walkrants, plus an outflanking Terivgon. That's four tough psyker synapse units with at least 6 wounds (warlord effectively has 10), plus lots of Pinning from the Living Artillery:

Spoiler:

Or I can take a variant of ductvader's Endless Swarm, using all my Trygons to keep the pressure on:

Spoiler:

**ductvader**

That Endless Swarm is your own man.

You're taking Trygons for the tunnels more than the synapse...save points and keep 1-2 of them not primes.

**pinecone77**

rigeld2 wrote:
ductvader wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.

Weren't you running some Warrior Broods before? My Stranglers always do some work...but an exocrine might be worth playing with.

Yeah, I was thinking I was but I'm away from my books so not sure on points.
I hate Exocrines. I've tried one for about 7 games - 5 at the Railhead Rumble. That weekend my Exocrine killed 3 models. Total. Throughout 5 games.
Maybe I'm just using him wrong. Who knows.

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pinecone77 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
My normal list is 2 Flyrants, Terv, gants, 6 dakkafexes, Tyrannofex. I'm debating dropping the Tyranno.

You certainly could, with that many Carnifexen, I'd recomend a Mawloc (not everybody likes 'em, but I do ) That should save a few points to spend else where...

I refuse to use Trygons, Mawlocs or Raveners. I don't like the snake aesthetic.

Big Wormey is sad...

Well that puts you into the "don't like 'em " category

Dropping a Tyrano should free up a big chunk of points, but you don't like many of the alternates...more Carnifexen?

Maybe you can stuff in a cheap Formation, though even a "cheap" one runs 350+...the only place left to look is a Crone, or Harpy?

**ductvader**

I'd personally nab a Venom and 2 x 3 Strangler Warriors. It should slide right into those points.

**rigeld2**

I bought a Harpy kit and a TL HVC is calling my name I think.

**ductvader**

rigeld2 wrote:
I bought a Harpy kit and a TL HVC is calling my name I think.

On those occassions where you need your fexes to win combat...the Harpy's Shriek is quite excellent as well

I'd also recommend Biovores.

**rigeld2**

pinecone77 wrote:
Maybe you can stuff in a cheap Formation, though even a "cheap" one runs 350+...the only place left to look is a Crone, or Harpy?

Honestly, I wish the Haruspex was better. I absolutely love the model. I love the idea of it.

The WS3 just pisses all over it though. And I just don't get it - how is a creature that is literally the epitome of evolution in eating things that are actively resisting only WS3?

**DarkStarSabre**

Well now.

Charity tournament on this Saturday with the 1800 list. Should be a good run to test before the local club tournament the next weekend. Just to remind folks of the rules behind this...

No Formations, No Fortifications, No Forge World
Allies are allowed - for the purpose of this Tyranids can ally with Tyranids.
Must use the same Psychic Disciplines through the day.

My planned list is as follows...

Flyrant - 2 x Twin Devourers, Electroshock Grubs
Flyrant - 2 x Twin Devourers, Electroshock Grubs

Venomthrope
Venomthrope
Zoanthrope

3 Tyranid Warriors - 2 Deathspitters, Barbed Strangler
15 Termagants - Fleshborers
10 Termagants - Spinefists
10 Termagants - Spinefists

Crone
Crone

Carnifex - 2 x Twin Devourers
Carnifex - 2 x Twin Devourers

*Allies*

Flyrant - Scything Talons, Lash Whip and Bonesword, Shreddershard Grubs

Zoanthrope

10 Termagants - Fleshborers

Now, I got to thinking a bit over Easter and now. With regards to what I think I fear? Hmm...

Tau. Eldar.

If I come across a Grav Spam SM army it may sting a fair bit.

But, at the same time I've had my first outing against Tau. Oh dear Lord Crones do bad things to Crisis suits. Such bad, bad things. My opponent's face when he realised the Vector strike wasn't AP - as he had believed....

**rigeld2**

People using the thorax swarms - you do realize that firing that stops you from firing a devourer, right? They lost the rule they used to have.

6 shots at BS4 TL is 5 hits, on average a glance against AV12. So really all you're doing is helping yourself against AV13 or 14 at very short range - against AV10 or 11 it's actually better to fire the Devs.

Is it really worth spending those points on a Flyrant?