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Maybe its some new age embargo on codices? Like Tyranids could have those units, but only if they managed to get them from within the Ultima Segmentum. As they're travelling abroad from outside the eastern fringe they technically do not qualify to purchase these units thus they are not available within the codex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm loath to believe in conspiracy theories such as this, and I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)… but it’s hard not to see GW doing this as a backhanded way of getting back at 3rd parties. They can’t very well get rid of the Tervigon now, but they appear to be quite happy to slap at CHS, even if they hit their customers with the follow-through.

Wait a tic......" I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)" how exactly? Those were to Nids as the drop pod is to Space MArines, except with the fun fact that to play Nids you HAD to have spore pods....and loads of them, where as in the SM builds you can take em or leave em really. So how was it cost effective to NOT make a model that would basically print them cash? Im curious to know.

i can see them taking them out as revenge and then justifying it with something reasonable to make it look legit, but the initial gut reason would be the "screw you" to the other company and to the players who spent their money supporting that other company.

i can see them putting them back in in a army specific type supplement though. One that does not have all the options of the basic codex. I can also see them cobbling together models of their own though. Something different enough that the other companies ones that they already made would be the wrong size or something like that.

 KingCracker wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm loath to believe in conspiracy theories such as this, and I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)… but it’s hard not to see GW doing this as a backhanded way of getting back at 3rd parties. They can’t very well get rid of the Tervigon now, but they appear to be quite happy to slap at CHS, even if they hit their customers with the follow-through.

Wait a tic......" I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)" how exactly? Those were to Nids as the drop pod is to Space MArines, except with the fun fact that to play Nids you HAD to have spore pods....and loads of them, where as in the SM builds you can take em or leave em really. So how was it cost effective to NOT make a model that would basically print them cash? Im curious to know.

Drop Pods can be used by any of four power armored armies. Dark Angels, Space Marines, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels can all take Drop Pods.

Tyranids were the only army that could take a transport option that essentially is a piece of terrain once it hits the ground.

When it comes to ChapterHouse, I think largely the blame is left on GW's part. Ignoring some of the obvious "this is NOT a SpaceMarine.......space marine" But when a company such as GW, makes rules for a unit in a rather popular game, yet dont EVER bother to make the models for said unit.....then who is to blame when other up starts say "hey weve made that unit that the big company cant be assed to make for you guys! And at the sweet sweet price of cheaper than them by a buck"


I mean, I love the FlashGitz in a rather unhealthy way, but even I can see the stupid when they make 1 model for FlashGitz.........(2 if you count Badrukk) which no one ever plays but myself, yet you dont make a Spore Pod that is in literally every frigging Nid build known to man? Really?!? And youre pissed other companies jumped on that? *golf clap* nice work GW.....nice work


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm loath to believe in conspiracy theories such as this, and I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)… but it’s hard not to see GW doing this as a backhanded way of getting back at 3rd parties. They can’t very well get rid of the Tervigon now, but they appear to be quite happy to slap at CHS, even if they hit their customers with the follow-through.

Wait a tic......" I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)" how exactly? Those were to Nids as the drop pod is to Space MArines, except with the fun fact that to play Nids you HAD to have spore pods....and loads of them, where as in the SM builds you can take em or leave em really. So how was it cost effective to NOT make a model that would basically print them cash? Im curious to know.

Drop Pods can be used by any of four power armored armies. Dark Angels, Space Marines, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels can all take Drop Pods.

Tyranids were the only army that could take a transport option that essentially is a piece of terrain once it hits the ground.

Except youre missing the part where in almost any SM build, you can either take the drop pod.....or not. Doesnt really mess up the flow in most cases. Where as in the Nids world of army building....you pretty much should have one, at least one. Pretty big difference there

 techsoldaten wrote:
I don't see it as spite so much as a desire to protect their IP. Copyright stops being valuable when you don't own it in it's entirety.

That said, yes, Chapterhouse is the reason they did this.

My thoughts exactly.

I'm not too sure on how the entire Chapterhouse story ended, but I've heard GW lost the exclusive rights to some models in the process.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm loath to believe in conspiracy theories such as this, and I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)… but it’s hard not to see GW doing this as a backhanded way of getting back at 3rd parties. They can’t very well get rid of the Tervigon now, but they appear to be quite happy to slap at CHS, even if they hit their customers with the follow-through.

Wait a tic......" I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)" how exactly? Those were to Nids as the drop pod is to Space MArines, except with the fun fact that to play Nids you HAD to have spore pods....and loads of them, where as in the SM builds you can take em or leave em really. So how was it cost effective to NOT make a model that would basically print them cash? Im curious to know.

Drop Pods can be used by any of four power armored armies. Dark Angels, Space Marines, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels can all take Drop Pods.

Tyranids were the only army that could take a transport option that essentially is a piece of terrain once it hits the ground.

Piece of Terrain? Wasn't it an MC that was immobile?

While I agree that Mycetic Spores are limited in their selling appeal (unlike drop pods). They could have come up with variations for the kit. Perhaps some decent Tyranid terrain or defensive i.e. that Mycetic Spores give shrouded to units within 6 inches, or that units within 6 inches count as being within Synapse range or re roll Instinctive Behaviour.. call it "Pheromone Trail" or something.

To be honest the only thing I can fault them for is making rules for a product they didn't make or sell in the first place. Removing them from their codex is no surprise.

Wouldn't be surprised that these units will reappear in a future tyranid codex (years from now) with a corresponding model as a new release.

Of course it will. Cmon they saw how much cash Chapterhouse and others were making off the kit. They will wait for the next codex or some FW whatever later on and be like "CHECK IT OUT DOOOOODS!!!!" And not only will it be better, so itll be an auto include, itll also be for the wallet padding price of $70 a pop

 KingCracker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm loath to believe in conspiracy theories such as this, and I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)… but it’s hard not to see GW doing this as a backhanded way of getting back at 3rd parties. They can’t very well get rid of the Tervigon now, but they appear to be quite happy to slap at CHS, even if they hit their customers with the follow-through.

Wait a tic......" I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)" how exactly? Those were to Nids as the drop pod is to Space MArines, except with the fun fact that to play Nids you HAD to have spore pods....and loads of them, where as in the SM builds you can take em or leave em really. So how was it cost effective to NOT make a model that would basically print them cash? Im curious to know.

Drop Pods can be used by any of four power armored armies. Dark Angels, Space Marines, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels can all take Drop Pods.

Tyranids were the only army that could take a transport option that essentially is a piece of terrain once it hits the ground.

Except youre missing the part where in almost any SM build, you can either take the drop pod.....or not. Doesnt really mess up the flow in most cases. Where as in the Nids world of army building....you pretty much should have one, at least one. Pretty big difference there

What you're missing is that a plastic kit is a big investment and Drop Pods, while not "autoincludes" are still something that in the grand scheme of things would likely end up outselling the Mycetic Spore even if they retained their autoinclude status in every single Tyranid book down the line.

The missing models are 2 single big characters, a conversion kit and the spore.
At least the first three are low run models only economically produceable in metal or resin. GW decided that metal and finecast profit marges are not big enough, so both are discontinued rapidly. And they don't care if Codices are crippled by that, the Tyranid Codex being the first victim (because some HQs were missing a model).
Simple as that and without any secret conspiration theory.

Maybe digital dataslate incoming?

IMO the reason the I see for the Doom being dropped (Along with Ymagrl Genestealers) IS that although these units exist in the fluff they each only exist in one specific location at one specific time making them fairly unsuitable for the codex which is supposed to represent the entire force spread over the galaxy ]

EDIT: The new SM codex states that the Salamanders 2nd company wiped out the tyranid presence on Ymgral

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
IMO the reason the I see for the Doom being dropped (Along with Ymagrl Genestealers) IS that although these units exist in the fluff they each only exist in one specific location at one specific time making them fairly unsuitable for the codex which is supposed to represent the entire force spread over the galaxy

Only these are the Tyranids. Unlike with Space Marines where a hero could be stuck in some part of the galaxy, nids can simply produce more of bug 1119287.Want another Doom? Tell a Zooanthrope to go OMNOM on the nearest warp-sensitive enemy. Ymagrl Genestealers? They already chase Hive Fleets and arrive before fleets do and serve as beacons. There's no fluff reason for Nids to drop heroes (when other factions have heroes that also exist in the specific location) when the other Codices have heroes that defeats the same point. Especially considering the Hive Mind literally has the ability to just make doppelgangers.

 KingCracker wrote:
Wait a tic......" I believe that cutting the Spore makes sense (purely from a business/production expense perspective!)" how exactly? Those were to Nids as the drop pod is to Space MArines, except with the fun fact that to play Nids you HAD to have spore pods....and loads of them, where as in the SM builds you can take em or leave em really. So how was it cost effective to NOT make a model that would basically print them cash? Im curious to know.

Because it wouldn’t print them cash.

I’ve explained this a couple of times since we found out spores were gone, but here’s as good a place as any to go over it again:

Drop Pods (and the like) exist in a binary state. They are either off the table, doing nothing, or on the table, doing next to nothing. Their moment to shine is when they arrive, and after that their role in the game is minimal. Now making plastic moulds isn’t cheap, so when you invest in a new miniature you want to ensure that the return is worth the investment. Pods, given that they pretty much don’t do anything, are a risky venture because people generally want something that’s cool and plays an active role in the game and not something that sits off table for a while and then eventually shows up (and then proceeds to sit there doing very little).

So a Drop Pod model was a risk. Thankfully, Marines outsell just about everything else GW does combined, so any risk for return on investment is mitigated by the sheer number of Marine players out there plus the fact that the Drop Pod crosses over into other Codices (Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc).

The Mycetic Spore though only services one army – Tyranids – so when the choice comes to invest a new big beastie that plays an active role in the game or a pod that spends half its life off the table and the other half staying in the same spot doing virtually nothing (and only sells to one army, rather than 5+ armies), the choice is obvious. This is why that however disastrous for the play-style of Tyranids the loss might be, not making a plastic Spore miniature makes perfect sense from a business perspective. It doesn't need a model, and if it had a model that model would spend most of its time doing nothing. Not exactly a big earner.

That said, what GW should have done is make Spores a non-miniature upgrade. +25 points per Brood to give it the Deep Strike USR and fluff it as the pods dissolve/collapse into fleshy heaps upon landing, and the violent emergence of the creatures within rendering whatever survived the impact useless.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
IMO the reason the I see for the Doom being dropped (Along with Ymagrl Genestealers) IS that although these units exist in the fluff they each only exist in one specific location at one specific time making them fairly unsuitable for the codex which is supposed to represent the entire force spread over the galaxy

One word:

Bio-Artefact.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I have never seen plans by any of the usual suspects to make a Parasite model, not to speak of release one.
Only things are conversions on ebay and one unnamed model on shapeways.
So deleting the Parasite can't be attributed to outer influences.
BTW small manufacturers like Chapterhouse or Puppet's War have better things to do than bully a big corporation legally.

That last bit made me laugh harder than it should. Look out small companies on the block!


But yes i believe they did.

Why not leave the pod in and make your own model? GW would have made a fortune off that.

 Mythra wrote:
Why not leave the pod in and make your own model? GW would have made a fortune off that.

Not two posts above yours. Read it.