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Can't wait to read the next one.
Sorry about all the naysayers.Chin up as they say, and good luck to your bugs!

Don't give up on this one J. People just want to see nids do bad for the internet "told you so"s

Man, I'm stoked about the Reecius vs J Nid report. Think it'll be a classic.

Gutted that the naysayers stole J's mojo for this report mind you, but stoked for the Frontline vid.

This thread... Wow.

For what it's worth, my gut reaction to the double force org was a bit of a let down, but after a second thought I'm actually much more interested in seeing what four Tyrants can do, and to which degree they are carrying the rest of the army (if at all), or if they can do even that.

Anyway, I'm a big fan of your batreps and look forward to more.

Maybe I've been down in the fantasy section too long but, isn't double FOC opened up by reaching a 2000 point game? If so it becomes fair game and both players are allowed to use it, I mean grand armies in fantasy function roughly the same but I've never seen anyone complain about a player taking advantage of it. In short complaints about 2000 points being irregular are valid, if most tournaments aren't at 2000 points and you wanted to see a "tournament" army more fitting of your meta and common point values I get that. However, once you hit that magic number, the genie is out of the bottle, it's just list building. I mean we don't complain about that Tau list having allies which unlike double FOC, Tyranids can't use.

I know this has gotten very ranty and I apologize but I think this thread was perceived as Tyranid's golden brick road to success town. The idea that somehow JY2 would reveal such a deft and amazing combination of units that the entire internet would sigh with a collective; "Now I get it.... That's how Nids are good!" Sadly this isn't a fantasy world, Tyranid's can be good and by god I'm returning to 40k to try and MAKE them good. We just have to know that Nids aren't top tier all of a sudden, but we are still competitive, Tau and Eldar were the flukes to game balance, not Tyranids. To conclude, when a player offers a hard list, and provides a very hard 100% legal list, people seem to have just unleashed their combined dissapointments into this thread. Dissapointments about an army they love, about a book they were excited for, and I get that, but don't funnel that into the double FOC and feel justified.

With love from the kid who remembers starting the hobby at 16 with a tyranid battle box and a codex.

Sandant

 sandant wrote:
Maybe I've been down in the fantasy section too long but, isn't double FOC opened up by reaching a 2000 point game? If so it becomes fair game and both players are allowed to use it, I mean grand armies in fantasy function roughly the same but I've never seen anyone complain about a player taking advantage of it. In short complaints about 2000 points being irregular are valid, if most tournaments aren't at 2000 points and you wanted to see a "tournament" army more fitting of your meta and common point values I get that. However, once you hit that magic number, the genie is out of the bottle, it's just list building. I mean we don't complain about that Tau list having allies which unlike double FOC, tyranid scant use.

I know this has gotten very ranty and I apologize but I think this thread was perceived as Tyranid's golden brick road to success town. The idea that somehow JY2 would reveal such a deft and amazing combination of units that the entire internet would sigh with a collective; "Now I get it.... That's how Nids are good!" Sadly this isn't a fantasy world, Tyranid's can be good and by god I'm returning to 40k to try and MAKE them good. We just have to know that Nids aren't top tier all of a sudden, but we are still competitive, Tau and Eldar a we're the flukes to game balance, not Tyranids. To conclude, when a player offers a hard list, and provides a very hard 100% legal list, people seem to have just unleashed their combined dissapointments into this thread. Dissapointments about an army they love, about a book they were excited for, and I get that, but don't funnel that into the double FOC and feel justified.

With love from the kid who remembers starting the hobby at 16 with a tyranid battle box and a codex.

Sandant

Here, have my exalt. For putting in words, what I am often to tired to do.

Thanks for the kind words, guys.

BTW, just wanted to let the audience know that I didn't surprise my opponent with this. I asked him a day before the game if it's ok that we ran (or that I ran) a double-FOC game/list. He had no problems with it. He also could have ran double-FOC's if he had wanted to, but he chose not to. Instead, he chose for more balance instead of overloading like I did.

Coming up today....White Scars. And tomorrow, maybe against Reece if he's got the time.

Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

 jy2 wrote:


Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

Absolutely! Perhaps with the Venom/Zoan Bastion strategy bolstering it?

I for one, would have really liked to see your original setup with the 2FOC. I really don't get all of this hysteria over Double Force Org. It's not as bad as allies, imo.

 jy2 wrote:
Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

My body is ready.

 Eldarain wrote:

 jy2 wrote:


Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

Absolutely! Perhaps with the Venom/Zoan Bastion strategy bolstering it?

Absolutely....only with my list, it's either Venom or Zoan in a bastion, but not both....unless I run an 8 carnifex list.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I for one, would have really liked to see your original setup with the 2FOC. I really don't get all of this hysteria over Double Force Org. It's not as bad as allies, imo.

Yeah, in this age of allies, dataslates and formations - by the ways none of which tyranids may take - I really don't see the fuss about double-FOC's. Why must we play with a crutch that no one else has?

Anyways, I digress. This battle report may be coming back after people have had time to digest a couple of normal Tyranid battle reports first. Or it may not. We'll see.

I'm looking at Carnifex spam, and I think it can work.

I like the 9 carnifex list. Should be fun.

I hope you don't drop this batrep. I for one wanted to read it. Either way get that money from Reece I think even he would be happy to hand it over.

 ansacs wrote:
I like the 9 carnifex list. Should be fun.

I hope you don't drop this batrep. I for one wanted to read it. Either way get that money from Reece I think even he would be happy to hand it over.

Lol. It'll probably go back into his shop anyways. I am in need of some tyranid flyers.

But it won't be easy. You're talking about a top-tier army, Taudar, being run be an extremely good player against a upper-mid/lower-upper-tier at best army. More importantly, I'm going to be limited by my models so won't be able to run a totally no-holds-barred Tyranid army. But that's ok, I'm going to enjoy the challenge.

Well you are a nice guy. My personal strategy would involve a beerhammer match before hand and an investment in alcohol

Did reece clarify whether his nids challenge includes stronghold and escalation in it? Practically every nid list I have come up with that seems like a good TAC list leans heavily on stronghold assault.

I'd be extremely interested in seeing a Fex spam list in action!

I would love some carnifex spam.

 jy2 wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 jy2 wrote:


Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

Absolutely! Perhaps with the Venom/Zoan Bastion strategy bolstering it?

Absolutely....only with my list, it's either Venom or Zoan in a bastion, but not both....unless I run an 8 carnifex list.

How could you ever get both in a Bastion? Wouldn't it need to be a tyranid prime attached to a venomthrope?

I really want to see the Carnifex heavy game

 ansacs wrote:
Well you are a nice guy. My personal strategy would involve a beerhammer match before hand and an investment in alcohol

Did reece clarify whether his nids challenge includes stronghold and escalation in it? Practically every nid list I have come up with that seems like a good TAC list leans heavily on stronghold assault.

No Escalation, that would be silly! Haha

But Void Shield Assault? Eh, why not? Sure, use em! haha

Cool, what about my startegy of drunken reece tactical advantage? Legal?

It would be kind of awesome to have deathleaper essentially immune to most of the D weapons due to his special snap fire rule.

 ansacs wrote:
Cool, what about my startegy of drunken reece tactical advantage? Legal?

It would be kind of awesome to have deathleaper essentially immune to most of the D weapons due to his special snap fire rule.

Why does my beer taste funny?

because it's dosed with LSD and lithium....

The new tyranid strategy

PrinceOfMadness wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

My body is ready.

haha I was thinking of this as well, it's almost certainly our most competitive option.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

My body is ready.

haha I was thinking of this as well, it's almost certainly our most competitive option.

At 1500pts for 3 units its kind of rough.

 Tomb King wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

My body is ready.

haha I was thinking of this as well, it's almost certainly our most competitive option.

At 1500pts for 3 units its kind of rough.

Well, 1350 for 9 dakkafexes.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

My body is ready.

haha I was thinking of this as well, it's almost certainly our most competitive option.

At 1500pts for 3 units its kind of rough.

Well, 1350 for 9 dakkafexes.

1620 with regen..

 LeadLegion wrote:
Man, I'm stoked about the Reecius vs J Nid report. Think it'll be a classic.

Gutted that the naysayers stole J's mojo for this report mind you, but stoked for the Frontline vid.

Tyranids vs Taudar teaser.


Just had a game against Reece's Taudar. Man oh man....what a game!

Just a few teasers:


1. No Catalyst. I needed Catalyst but didn't get it for any of my psykers.

2. I didn't run a carnifex-spam list. Instead I ran a normal, balanced Tyranid list with a variety of units. Actually, other than my double flyrants, I didn't spam anything at all. So this battle will truly be about army synergy and the strategy/wits of the generals.

3. It was Hammer & Anvil. That is probably the worst type of deployment for Tyranids, especially against an army like Tau!

4. My bugs went 2nd.

5. Synapse was never a problem in my games, especially if you take the bastion with you.


Despite a really uphill battle, my bugs were still in it to the very end.


Look out for the Frontline videorep, coming out tomorrow.

 sandant wrote:
Maybe I've been down in the fantasy section too long but, isn't double FOC opened up by reaching a 2000 point game? If so it becomes fair game and both players are allowed to use it, I mean grand armies in fantasy function roughly the same but I've never seen anyone complain about a player taking advantage of it. In short complaints about 2000 points being irregular are valid, if most tournaments aren't at 2000 points and you wanted to see a "tournament" army more fitting of your meta and common point values I get that. However, once you hit that magic number, the genie is out of the bottle, it's just list building. I mean we don't complain about that Tau list having allies which unlike double FOC, Tyranids can't use.

I know this has gotten very ranty and I apologize but I think this thread was perceived as Tyranid's golden brick road to success town. The idea that somehow JY2 would reveal such a deft and amazing combination of units that the entire internet would sigh with a collective; "Now I get it.... That's how Nids are good!" Sadly this isn't a fantasy world, Tyranid's can be good and by god I'm returning to 40k to try and MAKE them good. We just have to know that Nids aren't top tier all of a sudden, but we are still competitive, Tau and Eldar were the flukes to game balance, not Tyranids. To conclude, when a player offers a hard list, and provides a very hard 100% legal list, people seem to have just unleashed their combined dissapointments into this thread. Dissapointments about an army they love, about a book they were excited for, and I get that, but don't funnel that into the double FOC and feel justified.

With love from the kid who remembers starting the hobby at 16 with a tyranid battle box and a codex.

Sandant

Very well said.

I'm not going to make Tyranids good just by playing them or by saying they're good. Even I will freely admit that they aren't a top-tier army and will have a lot of problematic matchups. However, what I want to show....what I want to educate to the public...is that they aren't as bad as most would think. If you play them properly, you can give most armies competitive games.

 ansacs wrote:
Well you are a nice guy. My personal strategy would involve a beerhammer match before hand and an investment in alcohol

Did reece clarify whether his nids challenge includes stronghold and escalation in it? Practically every nid list I have come up with that seems like a good TAC list leans heavily on stronghold assault.

No, I won't be running Stronghold or Escalation in our game. In a challenge match like this, especially with money/prizes on the line from my opponent, I won't use the advantage of Stronghold unless my opponent was the person to bring it up. After all, his challenge, his money on the line, his rules.

 RiTides wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 jy2 wrote:


Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

Absolutely! Perhaps with the Venom/Zoan Bastion strategy bolstering it?

Absolutely....only with my list, it's either Venom or Zoan in a bastion, but not both....unless I run an 8 carnifex list.

How could you ever get both in a Bastion? Wouldn't it need to be a tyranid prime attached to a venomthrope?

I really want to see the Carnifex heavy game

My modus operandi for the bastion is venomthrope by itself inside and Zoanthrope with Dominion hiding behind it.

And if I weren't playing against Tau (or mechdar), I would put the biovores on top of the bastion for 2+ cover.

 Reecius wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
Well you are a nice guy. My personal strategy would involve a beerhammer match before hand and an investment in alcohol

Did reece clarify whether his nids challenge includes stronghold and escalation in it? Practically every nid list I have come up with that seems like a good TAC list leans heavily on stronghold assault.

No Escalation, that would be silly! Haha

But Void Shield Assault? Eh, why not? Sure, use em! haha

That's ok. I don't need the advantage.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
Anyone want to see how viable a 9 carnifex list is?

My body is ready.

haha I was thinking of this as well, it's almost certainly our most competitive option.

Actually, it isn't.

It's an extremely unbalanced army build that would crush a lot of opponents, especially if they don't have the tools to deal with it, but like all unbalanced lists, it can be exploited.

IMO, the most competitive Tyranid army is a balanced TAC tyranid build.

Bugs in a bastion?


Would that make it a Roach Motel?




I'm a bad boy.

 Ravenous D wrote:
So you're janking your opponent with double force org as evidence that nid dex is good?

Next.

If you dont want to read it, just move on. It takes a lot of time to make batreps and JY2 makes a ton of them. No reason to come in just to make snide remarks. Negative remarks such as this is what makes people not want to do reports.

Thanks for teasers JY2! Cackling madly in anticipation.