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2014/04/21 11:55:10
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Requiem, if you read the second quote in my post above, it looks like the treewoman would be silver level (so there would only be one bronze model).
Also, CreatureCaster, it would be really good to edit in this link into the first post of this thread, so people don't have to dig for the link to the Kickstarter campaign now that it is live!
CreatureCaster wrote: I have got to show some love for the golem. That is a concept that edged out over a lot of others, and would be a dream sculpt for me since I love them.
Don't tease me now! I would be so psyched for this (for your next campaign / later release, of course). Whatever spin you want to put on it would be amazing, I'm sure... so far all of your "artistic licenses" have paid off in the current sculpts, I think. I hope this is for real
CreatureCaster wrote: The Plaguedemon that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The Treewoman that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The dragons that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the gold level. This may or may not be entirely likely to happen
Ah, that's exactly what I thought! But does this indicate, then, that the original LARGER plague demon may not make it in? I'm not sure if that would be gold-level or not. I know a lot of folks are interested in the smaller one, too, but if the larger one could make it in you might see more gold-level pledges. I don't know if it was just a technical challenge (size/mass) keeping it out, but if there's a chance of it making it back in, I think many would be thrilled.
CreatureCaster wrote: Good new for the Aussies and Kiwis! 150 Early bird specials to be released at a time that doesn't completely suck for you!
Very cool of you . Not totally sure what 7pm Sydney time is (on Tuesday) but I have a feeling there will be a lot of googling of that conversion in the next few days
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2014/04/21 11:56:06
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
RiTides wrote: Requiem, if you the second quote in my post above, it looks like the treewoman would be silver level (so there would only be one bronze model).
Also, CreatureCaster, it would be really good to edit in this link to the first post of this thread, so people don't have to dig for the link to the Kickstarter campaign now that it is live!
CreatureCaster wrote: I am going to be doing something VERY cool for my Australian brothers and sisters over the next few days. I will announce it when it gets a bit closer.
That would be much appreciated.
I might regig my pledge as a result.
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I've been quietly following the Mierce campaign thread, and it seems to me that it's a bit dishonest. It's not exactly what was said on the tin initially - a "2.5" campaign for "adding a few units" and seems instead to have gone into full-blown "push for cash" mode with a huge number of new sculpts. Since they were apparently 4-5 months late sending out their Wave 0 stuff, I can only imagine that the rest of their stuff will also be delayed, and so on and on in a chain reaction effecting their subsequent waves. While they seem to be doing well on the communication aspect, and the models appear to be of great quality, they slid on fulfilment of their first campaign and are now doing the same with their second - while having already launched a third and pushing for more cash. Hopefully it doesn't end the same way that Maelstrom did... Better than RH by a mile, obviously - but I much prefer the honesty of Jeremy's campaign here, and I'd love to see more campaigns take on this kind of mentality over the stretch-goal-freebie madness (and also a 6-12-18-month delay - oops!)
Well, not to drag things off topic or talk too much about what is (currently) a rival campaign, but I'm backing both, so I figure I'm allowed!
Perhaps you should have followed the MM campaign a bit more noisily, so we could have helped you out with some stuff.
Firstly, I got my Wave 0 stuff some time ago. Wave 0 wasn't exactly a specific date, it was "send when ready" as opposed to "send on fulfilment date" and backers paid extra. Therefore, anyone up until the original fulfilment date of the project (which was June IIRC, but I'm really not sure) nothing is late, just varying degrees of early.
Secondly, there is, to my understanding, a massive list of ideas and concepts waiting on funding for Darklands, up to and including new factions. Therefore, unlike Jeremy and CC, who has a very specific list of items he is seeking funding for, the Darklands campaign is very much open ended, in fact, some of the stretch goals have featured only partially completed artwork because the campaign has run ahead of what they were expecting!
That you should characterise a KS project by anyone as anything other than a "push for cash" is a bit odd, IMO, as what else are they? To characterise it as "dishonest" shows you've really not been following it closely enough to have an informed opinion at all.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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Will you lot hurry up and break $120k already, I want to see the alt weapon for my Pincer Demon! (Hint: whip please!)
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Question:
After all the pre-KS talk about the importance of a simple KS and a fast/good process, why a (not so ASAP) shipping date of September?
As for "alt weapon ... Pincer Demon"...
I would love a "no weapon" (i.e. a second empty hand).
IMHO a deamon with pincers does not really need a weapon - plus it would make it easier for me to convert it into this:
2014/04/21 20:41:44
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
kendoka wrote: Question:
After all the pre-KS talk about the importance of a simple KS and a fast/good process, why a (not so ASAP) shipping date of September?
Not taking into account possible tweaks to the sculpts, printing and molding - the casting is going to take a lot of time.
I roughly estimate the current number of models to 1500. I am sure that number will rise significantly before the KS is over. If you chalk May up to administration and logistics of new prints etc, you got 3 full months before it needs to be shipped. I am being generous here, but even if there were no more than 1500 models in 90 days that comes out to roughly 17 models a day (every day). That is a lot. Take into account that every kit has multiple parts and thus multiple silicone molds and as far as I know this is handcast. There is a set minimum amount of time it would take to mix resin, cast it, wait for it to cure and demold it. Given the size of the model you can't use the quickest curing resin so you can have time to get the airbubbles out and that also means you need to make a new batch for every pour. Then there is QC, miscasts, and packing. I guess it depends on how many people are doing the casting. It all takes time so September sounds like a really quick turnaround to me.
Disclaimer: I am just guessing
2014/04/21 21:00:11
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
My review (based on pre-production images)
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Miniature: Spider Demon
Description: Really nice blend between a Giger illustration and a GW Daemonette.
Pose: Well balanced and threatening.
Best looking part: The back (spine and bony extra limbs).
Worst looking part: Face (both the ”Love Doll” and the ”Expressionless” ones). Where is the sadistic lust (sneering and showing fangs and tongue)?
Extras: 8-Eyed Head and Tongue Sword (rather uninspiring). No creepy spider feeling - just a mask and both swords are just as good.
Price:$75 CAD Competition: FW Keeper of Secrets (equally good but with its legs in a rather strange pose).
Overall verdict: Love the Giger parts - but Pincer Demon is an overall better Slaaneshi demon.
Rating: 3/5
Miniature: Warrior Demon
Description: An impressive looking Bloodthirster on steroids.
Pose: A bit too much. Looking as trying to split Mount Doom with one stroke.
Best looking part(s): The muscles with integrated skull armour and the face.
Worst looking part: Generic demon wings.
Extras: Forward Horns and Bone Cleaver (rather uninspiring). Same face and the weapon is hidden behind the body anyway.
Price:$95 CAD Competition: FW Bloodthirster (not as good).
Overall verdict: A really massive and well executed greater demon of Khorne.
Rating: 4/5
Miniature: Pincer Demon
Description: A dynamic greater demon of Slaneesh.
Pose: Really nince - but I would have prefeered it without the sword and with two open hands and two pincers.
Best looking part(s): Crab scales and the way it is posed - as if challanging a smaller foe.
Worst looking part: The face and especially the mouth (needs lots of pointy teeth like in the GW original drawing).
Extras: 4-Horn Head and another sword to be unlocked (rather uninspiring). Same face and the weapon is hidden behind the body anyway.
Price:$95 CAD Competition: None that I know about.
Overall verdict: A must-have for Slaneeshi players - but let down by the rather bland face.
Rating: 4/5
(being a big fan of the GW art I will buy one even though I don't play Chaos - but will probably wait until it is available in online stores)
Miniature: Vulture Demon
Description: A very nice greater demon of Tzeentch.
Pose: Really good.
Best looking part(s): The changing skin and the way it is posed - as if challanging a smaller foe.
Worst looking part: The spear head (no big deal though).
Extras: Elder Head (very nice).
Price:$95 CAD Competition: FW Lord of Change (inferior).
Overall verdict: A must-have for Tzeentch players.
Rating: 5/5
(really tempted to buy one just to paint it)
Miniature: Emperor Dragon
Description: The old Ultraforge dragon - but bigger and without armour.
Pose: Really good.
Best looking part(s): The changing skin and the way it is posed - as if challanging a smaller foe.
Worst looking part: The spear head.
Extras: Ancient Head (very nice). Would be nice to have armour plates as extras.
Price:$160 CAD Competition: FW Carmine Dragon and the Ultraforge Dragon (both better but smaller) and the Heresy Dragon (not as good but bigger - and unavailable).
Overall verdict: A *really* nice and BIG dragon.
Rating: 4/5
(might buy one - but then it will make my belowed Ultraforge dragon look smallish)
Miniature: Mountain Dragon
Description: A large dragon with folded wings perched on top of a cliff.
Pose: Rather good - but the ”humping the cliff” sadly makes it look like a one piece cast dragon statue from a Dollar store.
Best looking part(s): The scales/skin.
Worst looking part: The integrated cliff (really needs some air between the dragon and the stone).
Extras: Varped Head (nice but very similar to the normal head).
Price:$160 CAD Competition: FW Carmine Dragon and the Ultraforge Dragon (both better).
Overall verdict: A rather good dragon in a ”game setup” friendly pose.
Rating: 3/5
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2014/04/21 21:15:28
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I have to agree here, I am planning to leave off the wings... I love everything else about it, though.
kendoka wrote: Extras: Forward Horns and Bone Cleaver (rather uninspiring). Same face and the weapon is hidden behind the body anyway.
I disagree here! The horns might not be that dramatically changing to the model's appearance, but they do add a lot (to me) rather than being stuck with the standard horns. I would have loved to have one of the extra bits be a way to build it without wings, though. I like the Bone Cleaver
kendoka wrote: Overall verdict: A really massive and well executed greater demon of Khorne.
Rating: 4/5
You are a hard crowd, but the feedback is helpful, I'm sure! I'd have given it a 4.5, with the half point for the generic look of the wings.
2014/04/21 22:50:45
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Miniature: Spider Demon Description: Really nice blend between a Giger illustration and a GW Daemonette. Pose: Well balanced and threatening. Best looking part: The back (spine and bony extra limbs). Worst looking part: Face (both the ”Love Doll” and the ”Expressionless” ones). Where is the sadistic lust (sneering and showing fangs and tongue)? Extras: 8-Eyed Head and Tongue Sword (rather uninspiring). No creepy spider feeling - just a mask and both swords are just as good. Price:$75 CAD Competition: FW Keeper of Secrets (equally good but with its legs in a rather strange pose). Overall verdict: Love the Giger parts - but Pincer Demon is an overall better Slaaneshi demon. Rating: 3/5
Ouch you're hard to please with 3/5 Though I agree that the facial expression isn't spot on, I'm not sure whether or not this has been adressed. I've seen the video where her facial expression was adjusted, and really preferred the newer version. What I'm not sure of is what her facial expression will be on the final miniature. Would very much like to know as I've currently pledged at bronze level but am still doubting whether I should upgrade to silver for the warrior demon, which is also very cool but I do have to agree that the wings seem somewhat generic.
The Spider Demon is evolving into a beautiful beast. Her mouth in the video above has been re-sculpted into a more sly expression. This was prompted by fan interaction, and was documented in this Youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkonmC3q8E
This is what the Kickstarter says anway
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2014/04/21 23:04:59
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Well, the bank says they should have a card to me by the 23rd, so I should be good to pledge this week. Now I have to decide whether I want the Vulture Demon and War Demon or the Vulture Demon and Pincer Demon. Hmmmm...decisions, decisions.
Darth Bob wrote: Well, the bank says they should have a card to me by the 23rd, so I should be good to pledge this week. Now I have to decide whether I want the Vulture Demon and War Demon or the Vulture Demon and Pincer Demon. Hmmmm...decisions, decisions.
Better get the pincer demon, it knows all your secrets.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2014/04/21 23:34:17
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Darth Bob wrote: Well, the bank says they should have a card to me by the 23rd, so I should be good to pledge this week. Now I have to decide whether I want the Vulture Demon and War Demon or the Vulture Demon and Pincer Demon. Hmmmm...decisions, decisions.
Better get the pincer demon, it knows all your secrets.
Darth Bob wrote: Well, the bank says they should have a card to me by the 23rd, so I should be good to pledge this week. Now I have to decide whether I want the Vulture Demon and War Demon or the Vulture Demon and Pincer Demon. Hmmmm...decisions, decisions.
Better get the pincer demon, it knows all your secrets.
N-n-no! No-one can know my secrets!
*Goes to hide collection of Nickelback albums.*
Yet you leave the Hanson albums in plain sight showing your a true slaanesh worshiper. Alpharius would be displeased.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2014/04/21 23:57:25
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Darth Bob wrote: Well, the bank says they should have a card to me by the 23rd, so I should be good to pledge this week. Now I have to decide whether I want the Vulture Demon and War Demon or the Vulture Demon and Pincer Demon. Hmmmm...decisions, decisions.
Better get the pincer demon, it knows all your secrets.
N-n-no! No-one can know my secrets!
*Goes to hide collection of Nickelback albums.*
Yet you leave the Hanson albums in plain sight showing your a true slaanesh worshiper. Alpharius would be displeased.
Or would he be more pleased?
But back on topic, I'm really interested to see what the second exclusive for the Pincer Demon is. Have we gotten it confirmed that it's just a different variant of sword or could we looking a the potential to get a different weapon? A multi-tongued-whip or flail would be pretty awesome. That may be the deciding factor for me between Pincer or Warrior.
There's currently a greyed out image on the main page, so it looks like a sword-type weapon to me. I think a whip would be awesome but maybe susceptible to breakage in resin.
I'm all about the Warrior
2014/04/22 01:01:03
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I wish that somebody other than forgeworld would produce a dragon that I like that doesn't have the freaking Howda on it...or at least a dragon where the back isn't recessed to accommodate the thing. I just want a damn dragon, not a dragon being used as a chariot!
2014/04/22 01:02:55
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
RiTides wrote: The upcoming free alternate parts have been hinted to replace that part, BrotherVord, so stay tuned and maybe you'll like the variant better!
That's good news. I don't tend to back kickstarters because I hate the idea of waiting months and months for something just to be shipped but these models have me as tempted as I have ever been. The idea of that warrior daemon squaring off with my forgeworld blood thirster just....yeah.
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2014/04/22 02:20:24
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
There will potentially be some unlocks for a riderless dragon in the campaign. There will be no completely naked dragons however. There has been a lot of demand for one however. I will strongly consider the option of a naked resculpt, or perhaps send out a survey.
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2014/04/22 03:58:13
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I like the practicality of the dragon riding system that the dragons have now. I would be interested to know what rider models fit on the saddle now. What did you use as your template for the saddle?
I am fortunate to have a bunch of 28mm cavalry and riders here at home, so I used the space between their legs to form the basic shape of the saddle. Should fit most 28mm riders. If the saddle is too big, shave it down. If it is too small, easy green stuffing.
The flexibility and playability and convenience with the howdah make it my favourite option. Having said that, the aesthetic of the saddle is very nice, and if you have a rider on foot then it is the ultimate. With the howdah, I just really like the convenience of having a champion on it one day, a sorcerer on it the next, and an entirely different race's rider on it the next, and I do not need to paint a single 'on-foot' model becuase that same model is used for both.
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2014/04/22 06:58:11
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I am going to be doing something VERY cool for my Australian brothers and sisters over the next few days. I will announce it when it gets a bit closer.
Google hangouts are the place to send orders directly to my face I will have one tuesday, one thursday, and two on the weekend. The weekend ones, at least one with be aussie-friendly.
Good to hear on both - and appreciated!
The Plaguedemon that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The Treewoman that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The dragons that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the gold level. This may or may not be entirely likely to happen
My campaign seems weird to some people, I totally get that. There is a sense of distrust that forms when I do not dangle carrots, or keep adding stuff to upsell like crazy. In a weird way, we have come to trust the emotion of greed, in its predictability and frequency. However, most people understand my wanting to actually STOP adding models at the point at which I find the edge of my comfort zone. I will not step over this edge. It unfortunate we almost expect every Kickstarter to run late, and I am hoping to change the game a bit with my own campaign.
This is exactly what I want to hear, and with respect to a great many other campaigns, most of them don't seem to have thought it out as well as you have. Mantic is he only company that manages to deliver on time, but to be frank, their quality often suffers from over-promising and the huge size of their campaigns.
Having said all that, I am adding incentives and I do want a nice financial lump sum to start this company with some great momentum.. but not at the expense of leaving my comfort zone. Plus, the biggest aspect of a crowd funding campaign is NOT the money. It is the people. That is the most valuable resource, and if gathered correctly, is renewable and sustainable.
Hopefully you'll be able to take Raging Heroes to school on that one.
I like your stuff. I really like your stuff. I don't own any of the UF stuff, but the renders and test prints you've shown so far for these have really impressed me to a degree that only some of Mierce's and Forge World's models have come close to, and comes without the ...baggage of the former and the overly-inflated price tags of the latter. With this in mind, and the prices of your models, I'm really mindful of how I spend my money, and so the fact that I'm considering trusting you and your words with enough cash to pay for an "everything" pledge is really a compliment to your honest and no-bs manner. I'd much rather see someone who triple-checks their figures and works out everything in advance than someone who has great talent but a bit too much ends up in the "hopefully" basket.
I am not to sure what you are going on about here, I received my wave 0 items back in January exactly on time, in fact I have received every item on time sometimes months earlier than originally planned. The only items that are late so far are the Waewulfas and that was out of their hands.
I am not to sure where the dishonest part is coming from either, they said from the start this KS was to finish off their expansion of the original 7 factions started in KS2, the next planned KS is to start producing models for the last two factions (a completely new project).
No worries - fixed the quotes for you here.
I'm not going to get into a Mierce argument here, and it's fabulous that you got yours in Jan, but they only just posted that they've only just finished the shipping of the Wave 0 items. The "dishonest" comes from the fact that it's gone from something a bit more modest (if you can call a 400-quid pledge level "modest") and to "finish off" the last few things that they didn't get to - to a full-blown campaign with as many stretch goals, etc as they can possibly fit in - to the point where they were asking for pledges based on scrawled napkin concept art the other day (I'm not 100% up to date on the thread). With the size this third campaign has gotten to, I feel it might have been a bit more classy to finish the second campaign before launching something this big.
I've been quietly following the Mierce campaign thread, and it seems to me that it's a bit dishonest. It's not exactly what was said on the tin initially - a "2.5" campaign for "adding a few units" and seems instead to have gone into full-blown "push for cash" mode with a huge number of new sculpts. Since they were apparently 4-5 months late sending out their Wave 0 stuff, I can only imagine that the rest of their stuff will also be delayed, and so on and on in a chain reaction effecting their subsequent waves. While they seem to be doing well on the communication aspect, and the models appear to be of great quality, they slid on fulfilment of their first campaign and are now doing the same with their second - while having already launched a third and pushing for more cash. Hopefully it doesn't end the same way that Maelstrom did... Better than RH by a mile, obviously - but I much prefer the honesty of Jeremy's campaign here, and I'd love to see more campaigns take on this kind of mentality over the stretch-goal-freebie madness (and also a 6-12-18-month delay - oops!)
Well, not to drag things off topic or talk too much about what is (currently) a rival campaign, but I'm backing both, so I figure I'm allowed!
Perhaps you should have followed the MM campaign a bit more noisily, so we could have helped you out with some stuff.
Firstly, I got my Wave 0 stuff some time ago. Wave 0 wasn't exactly a specific date, it was "send when ready" as opposed to "send on fulfilment date" and backers paid extra. Therefore, anyone up until the original fulfilment date of the project (which was June IIRC, but I'm really not sure) nothing is late, just varying degrees of early.
Shipment Wave 0: before 2014/early 2014, depending on how many orders there are. This shipment wave will only happen if you pay extra to ship miniatures that are already available from our back catalogue when you manage your pledge. Malacant would also be included with this shipment if you pay extra to have him shipped in December 2014.
I know that backers were also told "December, maybe January". Mid-April is a pretty solid three-month delay from that. It wasn't "Late Q1" or anything like that. It's not exactly "early" either, if you've paid for it to be sent in Dec/Jan, surely? Moreso if you're basing it on the second shipping payment for June/July.
That you should characterise a KS project by anyone as anything other than a "push for cash" is a bit odd, IMO, as what else are they? To characterise it as "dishonest" shows you've really not been following it closely enough to have an informed opinion at all.
Thus sentence shows that you're either a massive one-eyed fanboi of Lane's or simply unable to comprehend what Jeremy and others have been talking about over the last couple of pages with very specific reference to the way this campaign is being run. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it. To attempt to discredit my opinion based on your differing opinion/strong like of Mierce pretty much renders my bothering to reply any further to this line of discussion to be pointless. Which is just one reason why I'm going to end my part of here, since this is the CC thread.
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Any chance you can give any info on what facial expression the final version of the Spider Demon will have (the standard head)? May have missed out on the info, sorry if I did
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