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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

Going from AP3 to AP4, losing a point in Invulnerable Save and losing access to some support systems isn't a nerf? Pass the weed, I want some too.

Previously a single r'varna could remove any 3+ armor save unit (barring those with access to invul saves) in the game in a single turn of shooting with average rolls, and that includes units you never see like 20 man chaos marine units, etc. Hell, there are scenarios where a single r'varna could remove *multiple* 3+ save units in one turn of shooting with average rolls. With the change in AP, its clear what the R'varna is for: crowd control. Hordes of gaunts, orks, guard blobs, etc? Kill em dead. While the effectiveness vs marines might have been hampered, you can still cause significant casualties, and its still just as effective as it was vs 2+ save units and anything with a 4+ save or worse (and dont get me started on vehicles). All it does is give power armored units a bit more of a chance to survive.

Regarding invul save: Its the same save as the Riptide, is it not? Just as survivable.

Loss of support system? Boohoo, you can't turn it into a miserably broken one-man army anymore. "Nerf" and "balancing" are two VERY different things my friend.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:


Loss of support system? Boohoo, you can't turn it into a miserably broken one-man army anymore. "Nerf" and "balancing" are two VERY different things my friend.

Yes, so why would you use "nerf" when you meant "balanced"?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

Going from AP3 to AP4, losing a point in Invulnerable Save and losing access to some support systems isn't a nerf? Pass the weed, I want some too.

Previously a single r'varna could remove any 3+ armor save unit (barring those with access to invul saves) in the game in a single turn of shooting with average rolls, and that includes units you never see like 20 man chaos marine units, etc. Hell, there are scenarios where a single r'varna could remove *multiple* 3+ save units in one turn of shooting with average rolls. With the change in AP, its clear what the R'varna is for: crowd control. Hordes of gaunts, orks, guard blobs, etc? Kill em dead. While the effectiveness vs marines might have been hampered, you can still cause significant casualties, and its still just as effective as it was vs 2+ save units and anything with a 4+ save or worse (and dont get me started on vehicles). All it does is give power armored units a bit more of a chance to survive.

Regarding invul save: Its the same save as the Riptide, is it not? Just as survivable.

Loss of support system? Boohoo, you can't turn it into a miserably broken one-man army anymore. "Nerf" and "balancing" are two VERY different things my friend.

That being said I think the "balance" may be too steep and still have to pay 260pts for it, IMHO it should cost 200 now

Yeah I'd say it's worth about the same as a vanilla Riptide now. I could see it costing the usual +30 pts for "Forgeworld tax" but +80 is way too much.

First FW blog is up. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BLOG_1.html

Ian Strickland looks like his hair is receding at a much faster rate than I thought.

Perhaps that lttle intercom box in the bottom left of the pic is the source of his continued woes.

That and Diet Coke development team? Really??

Well that was a blog I guess... in the loosest possible terms.

At least we couldn't actually see CTRL-C and CTRL-V being used - we've got to keep some mysteries alive in the world!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well that was a blog I guess... in the loosest possible terms.

This is GW we're talking about, that was like an all areas access exposé

(If I were to put my cynical hat on, given they have an almost-weekly newsletter, this feels like an attempt to increase traffic to the website and maybe tempt a few more customers to order that thing they've been umming and arring about).

 Baragash wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well that was a blog I guess... in the loosest possible terms.

This is GW we're talking about, that was like an all areas access exposé

(If I were to put my cynical hat on, given they have an almost-weekly newsletter, this feels like an attempt to increase traffic to the website and maybe tempt a few more customers to order that thing they've been umming and arring about).

It's strictly FW or bust for me now a days...

* already posted *

Any ideas?

Some kind of tank.

I didn't care for the Blog. A blog shouldn't be 5 links to other places. It should have all of your gak in one place.

Get better, GW.

 kronk wrote:
Some kind of tank.

I didn't care for the Blog. A blog shouldn't be 5 links to other places. It should have all of your gak in one place.

Get better, GW.

Well, at least they're not like those other bloggers who post a link and beg you to click it because they need those page counts.

 BrookM wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Some kind of tank.

I didn't care for the Blog. A blog shouldn't be 5 links to other places. It should have all of your gak in one place.

Get better, GW.

Well, at least they're not like those other bloggers who post a link and beg you to click it because they need those page counts.

You have a point there...

 Johnson101 wrote:
Any ideas?

Shape looks like a Sicaran.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

Going from AP3 to AP4, losing a point in Invulnerable Save and losing access to some support systems isn't a nerf? Pass the weed, I want some too.

Previously a single r'varna could remove any 3+ armor save unit (barring those with access to invul saves) in the game in a single turn of shooting with average rolls, and that includes units you never see like 20 man chaos marine units, etc. Hell, there are scenarios where a single r'varna could remove *multiple* 3+ save units in one turn of shooting with average rolls. With the change in AP, its clear what the R'varna is for: crowd control. Hordes of gaunts, orks, guard blobs, etc? Kill em dead. While the effectiveness vs marines might have been hampered, you can still cause significant casualties, and its still just as effective as it was vs 2+ save units and anything with a 4+ save or worse (and dont get me started on vehicles). All it does is give power armored units a bit more of a chance to survive.

Regarding invul save: Its the same save as the Riptide, is it not? Just as survivable.

Loss of support system? Boohoo, you can't turn it into a miserably broken one-man army anymore. "Nerf" and "balancing" are two VERY different things my friend.

Yes they are, and this was clearly a nerf.

 Davespil wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

Going from AP3 to AP4, losing a point in Invulnerable Save and losing access to some support systems isn't a nerf? Pass the weed, I want some too.

Previously a single r'varna could remove any 3+ armor save unit (barring those with access to invul saves) in the game in a single turn of shooting with average rolls, and that includes units you never see like 20 man chaos marine units, etc. Hell, there are scenarios where a single r'varna could remove *multiple* 3+ save units in one turn of shooting with average rolls. With the change in AP, its clear what the R'varna is for: crowd control. Hordes of gaunts, orks, guard blobs, etc? Kill em dead. While the effectiveness vs marines might have been hampered, you can still cause significant casualties, and its still just as effective as it was vs 2+ save units and anything with a 4+ save or worse (and dont get me started on vehicles). All it does is give power armored units a bit more of a chance to survive.

Regarding invul save: Its the same save as the Riptide, is it not? Just as survivable.

Loss of support system? Boohoo, you can't turn it into a miserably broken one-man army anymore. "Nerf" and "balancing" are two VERY different things my friend.

Yes they are, and this was clearly a nerf.

I honetly dont mind the changes to much but i agree they were a huge nerf, they need to fix the points however. it is entirely to expensive ATM. its more effective for me to bring a Riptide with a broadside now for near the same cost as the R'Varna.

 Johnson101 wrote:
Any ideas?

Maybe a proto Leman Russ, the tracks don't really match with the Legion Sicaran tank.

 Baragash wrote:

 Johnson101 wrote:
Any ideas?

Shape looks like a Sicaran.

I have a Sicaran, and that's not a Sicaran (besides, a Sicaran doesn't have tracks all the around it).

Anyway, I do like the tidbit about HH3 on the way to the printers.

Don't know if its news or not, but I was on FWs site, and noticed that the Atlas Recovery Vehicle was no longer available. I emailed them and they said it was gone, not to return.

I know its a minor non-combat vehicle, but it was in the IAs and was a cool supplementary piece of kit.

Those tracks look a bit malcador to me. Maybe another
baby superheavy for the imperial army?

Is the 3rd book another istvan? Or are they moving on? I'm sure I read somewhere they were doing calth next, which would include a lot of imperial army/renegade forces

 kronk wrote:
Some kind of tank.

I didn't care for the Blog. A blog shouldn't be 5 links to other places. It should have all of your gak in one place.

Get better, GW.

agreed 100%

Daston wrote:

Is the 3rd book another istvan? Or are they moving on? I'm sure I read somewhere they were doing calth next, which would include a lot of imperial army/renegade forces

The third book will complete the first trilogy:

The Horus Heresy Book Three - Extermination


Book Three is the last part of the first Trilogy Part Two of the Battle of Isstvan V & the Battle of Phall

New Legions:
Raven Guard
Iron Warriors
Alpha Legion
Imperial Fists

WHAT'S AFTER THAT?

The next trilogy of books

Prospero
Calth
Signus Prime

Thousand Sons
Space Wolves
Ultramarines
Legio Custodes
Sisters of Silence
Blood Angels
Daemons

Alpha Legion next!

I am...intrigued.

I do hope FW goes a more Abnett and not Thorpe route with them though...

Also, SIX FW books to get this far?

Do we know how many they are planning?

I'd have bet no more than 9 originally, but now...

...surely they aren't thinking of more than 12, are they?

I have no idea how many books.

It's good to see that Forgeworld are working on more Imperial Tanks... never have enough of those.

Ian's Iron Warriors look very nice though.

 WarOne wrote:


Perhaps that lttle intercom box in the bottom left of the pic is the source of his continued woes.

Intercom box?

It's a radio.

I thought it was a Vox caster.

 WarOne wrote:
Perhaps that lttle intercom box in the bottom left of the pic is the source of his continued woes.

*bzzt* Strickland, is that a Tyranid arm you're sculpting? I'm sure it isn't, is it? *bzzt*

"Sir, no, NO!..... just a piece of uh, terrain. Just terrain! Please no more shocks, sir!"

*bzzzt* I don't shock you, Strickland. You shock yourself, don't you? Every time you start working on something that isn't a marine? Why are you shocking yourself? *bzzzpt*

A crackle is heard through the air. Ian screams though his clenched teeth and writhes in pain. Finally, the crackling stops, and the air is filled with the scent of ozone, burning hair, and urine.

*bzzzt* I hate to see you like this, Ian. Stop making me do that. Help me help you. *bzzzt*

"Sir, you... you're right". ...soft weeping....

*bzzzzt* of course I am. Now pick up that dental pick, and sculpt something daddy likes. *bzzzzzt*

Ian mashes up the soft greenstuff in the shape of a Carnifex's arm. He kneads and twists, cutting and scraping, until the putty begins to take the shape of a bolter.

 kronk wrote:

Signus Prime

 kronk wrote:

Blood Angels

Oh god, so much win. Can't happen soon enough. I started my heresy-era Bangles because of Fear to Tread. I've enjoyed using the vanilla Legion list so far, but some special rules and units would be great.