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Can't believe people are arguing about the symbol, when the whole "there were TWO primarchs all along!" bit of fluff is perhaps the worst addition to the canon of the whole Heresy series.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You'll seeing it wrong! the alpha legionnaire is using an Ultra marine armor and did not completely paint it over

So what do alpha legionnaires say when they get asked about that omega letter? We're Barry White fans?

Or, you know, Omega's meaning of 'the last' and they were the last Legion to be created...

As others have said, the omega symbol on the armour doesn't really give anything away... unless you already know about Omegon. At the risk of repeating what\s already been said, I'll chuck my own two cents into the ring.

It's a theme for the Alpha Legion; they were the last Legion to have their Primarch found and they struggled to prove themselves the equal of the other, more established, Legions. That's why they were called the Alpha Legion - to show that they weren't johnny-come-lately. They were just as good, just as capable, just as worthy of all the other Legions. They were the last chapter (Omega) and believed themselves worthy of becoming/being the best (Alpha). All the other Legions used their armour as displays - the Emperor's Children were the only Legion allowed to wear the aquila on theirs. The Night Lords made themselves into instruments of terror and echoed this with their armour designs. Why wouldn't the Alpha Legion have an Alpha-Omega symbol? They are the last Legion and will be the first. They are just as good as any other despite their strategies and tactics. They are the equal of the other Legions, even if their Primarch was the final one to be found.

Alpha to Omega. It's a statement of pride and intent. 'We will not be overlooked. We will be the first.'

If you know about Omegon, then yes it becomes incredibly obvious... in hindsight. If you don't, it's a Legion that already uses the Greek alphabet displaying a point of pride about who they are. The last, and the first. Just like the Emperor's Children proudly wear the aquila to show how worthy they have been deemed by the Emperor, how the Night Lords take on the visages of death as a mark of pride in their brutality, how they enforce peace through terror.

That's well put, and I like it but...

It still seems an overly obvious double entendre/sly knowing wink and, IN MY OPINION, rather out of character for the Legion as a whole.

Still, the rest of this 'debate' is probably best continued in a separate thread down in 40K Background, leaving this thread safe to continue On Topic moving forward.

Maybe I'm just blind but until someone said there was an Omega in that symbol, I just thought it was a very stylized Alpha. Like an "A" with a halo behind it. I don't read any 40k novels but I knew about Omegon and I still wasn't seeing it until someone said the alphas on top of the omega.

Cant wait for the next book, the first two have been really awesome.

Where/when is it set by the way?

Ive actually got that very same combination of symbols as a tattoo on my arm. Though for different reasons

 Ratius wrote:
Cant wait for the next book, the first two have been really awesome.

Where/when is it set by the way?

It's the end of the Dropsite Massacre, covering what wasn't in Book Two, and it appears some sort of scrap between the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists, the location of which currently escapes me...

It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)

TiamatRoar wrote:
It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)

If it dosent i will be disaponited

 whalemusic360 wrote:

& here come the torso:

 AAN wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

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What I do hope, however, is that they'll eventually release a book that is just all the rules, army lists, and characters so I only have to carry one book around. As it is now, I have to carry Book I and II when I play.

Can't agree more. I have to say that I would put it even further. One softcover book, without fluff!
I really hate these big heavy books, very UNeasy to read.

Even better would be a collected enhanced eBook!

The books are lovely. I'm glad they exist, and I'm happy to buy them.

For actual use, I have the PDF files which I'll be using on my new tablet. Since I bought the books, I don't see any moral quandary with keeping them in pristine condition.

I just hope they continue to develops the night lords models and don't just leave it with head and torso like the plague marine kits. Selling half a kit just doesn't do it for me. At least with these it easier to just add some bones, but the plague marines are hard to do justice to with the wear and tear , not to mention the filth and decay.

TiamatRoar wrote:
It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)

You know what really sucks about this, now that I think about it? Imagine how awesome it would be if Battlefleet Gothic was still being supported by GW. FW could be giving us rules for fighting the Heresy in space, too.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)

You know what really sucks about this, now that I think about it? Imagine how awesome it would be if Battlefleet Gothic was still being supported by GW. FW could be giving us rules for fighting the Heresy in space, too.

And heresy era ships... There are suppose to be much larger ships than battleships and Battle Barges in this era. Battle Barges used like cruisers, cruisers used like an escort... ships that in the 40k era would be used by spaced based chapters as Fortress Monestaries used as commonly as battleships.

The Horus sculpt is very nice but I thought he would be painted in the Luna Wolves white... I was expecting them to save the black Sons of Horus armor for the chaos version of him. Would have created a better contrast between the 2 on their website if and when the second version comes out.
I guess people could simply paint this version as they wish though.

JSoul wrote:
The Horus sculpt is very nice but I thought he would be painted in the Luna Wolves white... I was expecting them to save the black Sons of Horus armor for the chaos version of him. Would have created a better contrast between the 2 on their website if and when the second version comes out.
I guess people could simply paint this version as they wish though.

It would have no link/synergy with the Sons of Horus if he was portrayed in the white, the entire release is the XVI at the start of the Heresy thus far, not before.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

JSoul wrote:
The Horus sculpt is very nice but I thought he would be painted in the Luna Wolves white... I was expecting them to save the black Sons of Horus armor for the chaos version of him. Would have created a better contrast between the 2 on their website if and when the second version comes out.
I guess people could simply paint this version as they wish though.

It would have no link/synergy with the Sons of Horus if he was portrayed in the white, the entire release is the XVI at the start of the Heresy thus far, not before.

Ahh yes, good point.
I think if I were to paint this figure though I would go the Luna Wolves scheme simply for contrast.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You'll seeing it wrong! the alpha legionnaire is using an Ultra marine armor and did not completely paint it over

So what do alpha legionnaires say when they get asked about that omega letter? We're Barry White fans?

Or, you know, Omega's meaning of 'the last' and they were the last Legion to be created...

You didn't get my Barry White remark.


Those Torso's look nice, not to night lords specific.

I think he looks a little underwhelming if I am honest...

He almost destroyed the entire imperium, I kind of want him to look more badass.

Saying that I have no actual idea as to how to accomplish that without making him look cheese as hell.

 throwoff wrote:
I think he looks a little underwhelming if I am honest...

He almost destroyed the entire imperium, I kind of want him to look more badass.

Saying that I have no actual idea as to how to accomplish that without making him look cheese as hell.

This version represents him prior to and during his betrayal. He hasn't manifested physical chaos corruption yet. His description and portrayel prior to the Heresy is always one of nobility and strength. FW has said that as the Heresy goes on the Primarchs that see a physical change will get alternate versions. No doubt someone as critical to his heresy as Horus would fall into this category.

I quite like the heads and torsos both. I could see the torsos being used in Word Bearers forces as well. Particularly the one with the reliquary in the chest. In fact, all but the middle (bat wing) ones would work very well for loyalist 40k chaplains.

 ironicsilence wrote:
Ive actually got that very same combination of symbols as a tattoo on my arm. Though for different reasons

OPERATIVE!

On topic; I've been resisting the HH models for a while now, but that Horus sculpt is nearly pushing me over the edge. In fact the only thing really stopping me is the worry that my painting wouldn't do it justice. And if they release a decent Alpha & Omegon sculpt I will crumble.

Well, looks like those Night Lord releases finally see me dipping my toe into 30K!

Due to the vagaries of The Warp, the Heresy will only have been fifty years ago for one of my 40K Night Lords squads.

Well the good news is that this guy:



... is not a convention exclusive, but a general release mini.

xowainx wrote:
Can't believe people are arguing about the symbol, when the whole "there were TWO primarchs all along!" bit of fluff is perhaps the worst addition to the canon of the whole Heresy series.

There's a character called Damon who has worked for aliens for millennia, and talks of how he killed Martin Luther King Jr, and Omegon is the worst new part of the fluff?

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/IRON_HANDS_IRON_FATHER.html


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Night_Lords

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
There's a character called Damon who has worked for aliens for millennia, and talks of how he killed Martin Luther King Jr, and Omegon is the worst new part of the fluff?

I quite like the idea of the perpetual characters and their role in the HH but admit that the execution is laughable in places, such as that.

Loving the axe on that Iron Father. Really meaty blade on that! Really liking the Night Lords heads and torsos.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the good news is that this guy:



... is not a convention exclusive, but a general release mini.

Lololololol, how typical is that; I was worried it would be a convention exclusive because I didn't want to pay ebay prices for it, and Forgeworld decide to cut out the middleman and just charge ebay prices themselves. £22 including shipping?

... I think that Iron Father model is terrible. One of the things I've liked about 30k up to this point is everything was practical design barring some flair. The hell are those cables on the torso for? It doesn't look bling, nor does it look like something necessary.

The rest of it looks just fine but that torso is atrocious.