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If anyone at the open day is willing to hook me up with this set I'd be very grateful, it's probably going to be one per person mind.

I would love to have this set. Is anyone going that I could send some cash to and try and pick one up for me?

 Enigma Crisis wrote:
I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
.

I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!

I hear you on that one though... People seem to be leaning toward it not being limited...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Enigma Crisis wrote:
I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
.

I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!

I hear you on that one though... People seem to be leaning toward it not being limited...

Touche!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Enigma Crisis wrote:
I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
.

I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!

Isn't that true no matter which chapter/legion you're playing?

Well, yes, yes it is.

But then...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Enigma Crisis wrote:
I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
.

I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!

I hear you on that one though... People seem to be leaning toward it not being limited...

I think you'll find we are merely lulling you into a false sense of security, Go Go Gadget Space Ninjas!

None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.

How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.

How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?

Hi, I'm nobody, I'll take 3 of that wet fart.

I.. I kind of murdered my eyes trying to read all that tiny, low-res text on the Alpha Legion pages in the vid, on the FW homepage, the stuff in the newsflash mail..

It hurt, but I am not dissapointed at what was gleaned. Ohm nomnom nom!

I am not going to survive the wait until it ships in the general release.. I'll just have to get a pdf-version to keep me on life-support until my leatherbound industrial-grade narcotics arrive.






Finally! It is soon here!

I sure hope Perturabo has his Body guard of robots in this book. Ever since reading Angel Exterminatus I've been wanting to see how they would translate to the ruleset and the miniatures.

I may have to spring for a starter force of them in 30k if they are anything close to what I'm imagining. Plus it seems there are a ton of folks going gaga for Ravens and Alphas and I've always rather have take the road less traveled.

GW main could learn a thing or two about how to make awesome gak players want from FW,

That new Legion XX banner?

Dead sexy!

Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:

1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.

You shouldn’t be surprised in the slightest. GW limited editions are junk – they’re the same book with a dust cover for x2 the price. Is it any wonder that the one part of GW still run by adults is the one part of the company producing high-quality books and meaningful special editions?

I mean I want everything in that bundle. All the HH concept artwork, especially the Mechanicum stuff? Yes please! And how useful is a consolidated army list? Exceptionally, especially if it’s future proof and functions as the standard “Legion Army List” for future HH books (so we don’t need another one once they get done fleshing out the 1KSons, Space Puppies, Ultras, Blood Angels and whoever else is left). And if they can do a “Legion Specialist” books once every trilogy (so the next one covers the unique rules/units for the next three books) that’s even better.

And people say Chaos can’t have Legion rules… God damn it. Just look at what FW are doing people. The template is right fething there!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?

It comes back to their opposing attitudes.

GW-proper thinks that we’ll buy whatever they make, rather than making what we want to buy. FW, on the other hand, saw an overwhelming demand for Horus Heresy stuff, so made what the people wanted.

 Alpharius wrote:
That new Legion XX banner?

Dead sexy!

The text says those be tabards, actually, though they mention the same symbols being on banners.

All round, there's so much delicious to devour for Alpha Legion in this one.

I'm salivating in anticipation of what they'll do for my beloved Sons and Dark Angels.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.

You shouldn’t be surprised in the slightest. GW limited editions are junk – they’re the same book with a dust cover for x2 the price. Is it any wonder that the one part of GW still run by adults is the one part of the company producing high-quality books and meaningful special editions?

I mean I want everything in that bundle. All the HH concept artwork, especially the Mechanicum stuff? Yes please! And how useful is a consolidated army list? Exceptionally, especially if it’s future proof and functions as the standard “Legion Army List” for future HH books (so we don’t need another one once they get done fleshing out the 1KSons, Space Puppies, Ultras, Blood Angels and whoever else is left). And if they can do a “Legion Specialist” books once every trilogy (so the next one covers the unique rules/units for the next three books) that’s even better.

And people say Chaos can’t have Legion rules… God damn it. Just look at what FW are doing people. The template is right fething there!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?

It comes back to their opposing attitudes.

GW-proper thinks that we’ll buy whatever they make, rather than making what we want to buy. FW, on the other hand, saw an overwhelming demand for Horus Heresy stuff, so made what the people wanted.

Hopefully the impending merger doesn't affect that, seeing their Facebook page gone - where they interacted with people on a daily basis - is a bad sign, along with no longer accepting feedback/comments on their YT videos

I wouldn't read too much into having comments/feedback disabled on YouTube videos.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't read too much into having comments/feedback disabled on YouTube videos.

Why not? They used to have them, and in combination with closing all of their social media stuff it's a pretty worrying sign that "core" GW's idiotic policies are going to be applied to all of its divisions.

I still think they're doing it in advance of the new website launch. Unified website, unified social media presence.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't read too much into having comments/feedback disabled on YouTube videos.

Why not? They used to have them, and in combination with closing all of their social media stuff it's a pretty worrying sign that "core" GW's idiotic policies are going to be applied to all of its divisions.

They didn't have them on all videos. Some videos allowed commenting, some didn't.

A lot of companies out there disable comments on videos and it's not the end of the world. Not like you really lose much important discussion anyways, given the average relevance of a YouTube comment to the video itself.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:

1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).

I laughed!

And then I cried, because that's pretty much what the Twentieth Legion has become now!

 Kanluwen wrote:
A lot of companies out there disable comments on videos and it's not the end of the world. Not like you really lose much important discussion anyways, given the average relevance of a YouTube comment to the video itself.

In isolation, no big deal. But this is happening at the same time they're showing other signs of retreating (or being forced away by the incompetent morons running GW) from the big scary parts of the internet where GW can't have full control over everything.

First0f0ne wrote:
I sure hope Perturabo has his Body guard of robots in this book. Ever since reading Angel Exterminatus I've been wanting to see how they would translate to the ruleset and the miniatures.

I may have to spring for a starter force of them in 30k if they are anything close to what I'm imagining. Plus it seems there are a ton of folks going gaga for Ravens and Alphas and I've always rather have take the road less traveled.

I wouldn't say the road less travelled.

There are a HELL of a lot of IW players out there. Many of them retreated after the last 2 editions of CSM. Just cruise Bolter & Chainsword and you will find many of them.

I've got at least a 7k force sitting in a tub all wrapped up. New tanks and artillery from FW are making the IW look pretty sexy again.

I'd run over my grandmother to get the LE set of books. Book 3 is the only thing keeping me sane until the book with the Blood Angels comes out.

It's a nice bonus that my second choice Loyalist chapter (IF) shows up in this book too.

 Alpharius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:

1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).

And then I cried, because that's pretty much what the Twentieth Legion has become now!

To be fair, Alph...they should be whatever you want them to be. You don't have to live and die by what some hack (and a few good) writers continue to fall back on. When I hear some Star Wars fans bickering over what is "canon", I always chuckle. When examining the various fictional aspects of a completely made up universe, it is best to take a step back and ask yourself whether a hierarchy makes sense. And if so, shouldn't YOU control that hierarchy?

In the immortal words of (fictional) Egg Shen...consider it a buffet. Take what you like. Leave the rest.

I'm going to jump in and ask as well - anybody going to the event who is willing to ship the collectors edition stuff to USA, I will pay for your services. Please pm me.

See, these subtle changes worry me. Idle speculation mode:

- could the rumoured website merger and disappearance of social media be the sign of a more radical restructure?
- FW being split up - a GW resins department and a 30k department?
- The FW brand being dropped
- An attempt to force traffic and buyers through the latest plastic releases on the site before reaching old FW stuff.

Of course this is wild guesswork, but the changes we've seen have a certain feel of desperation around them. Unlikely any of it is true but trying to meddle with a successful part of the business is a huge risk for them.

 zedmeister wrote:
Idle speculation mode:

-Discontinuing all of the non-Heresy FW kits, because why make things that don't sell as well as space marines? FW becomes re-branded under the Horus Heresy name, and the social media stuff is shut down in a desperate attempt to avoid the inevitable outrage.

 Peregrine wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Idle speculation mode:

-Discontinuing all of the non-Heresy FW kits, because why make things that don't sell as well as space marines? FW becomes re-branded under the Horus Heresy name, and the social media stuff is shut down in a desperate attempt to avoid the inevitable outrage.

Yep, I know it's far fetched. I was more suggesting that a gw resins department gets set up. They take on old FW kits as well as finecast with the added bonus for gw that they can say they've stopped finecast as well as use this new resins dept to ramp up production of limited edition resin models.

It's recently occurred to me that FW probably runs some of the rest of GW up the wrong way. A plastics kit flops, a middle manager misses targets and then watches 'those mavericks' from FW produce a resin kit that they can't produce fast enough because they have the freedom and agility that the wider business doesn't. Some would probably love to 'bring them to heel' so to speak.

 kronk wrote:
I don't trust them.

But as I understand it, you may have already won an iPad2. Why wouldn't you trust them? What's the worst that could happen?

 zedmeister wrote:
Yep, I know it's far fetched.

Honestly, it's not. A lot of the FW stuff doesn't sell in huge numbers, so I can imagine some clueless manager deciding to just kill the whole thing to focus on "core products". It would be stupid, obviously, but we're talking about a company that seems to base its business strategy on "think of the most sensible thing to do, and then do the exact opposite".

It's recently occurred to me that FW probably runs some of the rest of GW up the wrong way. A plastics kit flops, a middle manager misses targets and then watches 'those mavericks' from FW produce a resin kit that they can't produce fast enough because they have the freedom and agility that the wider business doesn't. Some would probably love to 'bring them to heel' so to speak.

Yep. GW's various departments are trained to compete with each other. Retail stores compete with other retail stores, "main" GW competes with FW, etc. It would be much simpler to just punish FW than to admit that the main company is utterly broken and start making appropriate changes. Kind of like how GW hates the idea of having successful new ideas because it sets up the expectation that success will continue, so it's better to not make those sales at all.

(And I wish I was kidding about that last part, but I'm not.)

I find the idea that GW competes with itself pretty far-fetched, (just as far fetched as the closure of Forge World, their one unimpeachably successful brand). If this were so they'd produce quality products, instead of the gobshite that comes out of Nottingham.