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The world eater helmets harken back tithe early days of the crusade right after Angron was found and before he got his axes. When his weapons would break under the stress he would grab the nearest world eater and hurl them at the opponents. Tired of seeing them miss their mark he ordered the techmarines to fix the problem. That's why the "lawn dart" model was created and only used by the world eaters.

Those IF and WE helmets look ok, but a little "off"

The first Word Bearers release I'm not a big fan of. Not to worry the Gal Vorbak will make up for it

For me these Word Bearer releases make me want to start a 30K Word Bearer army all the more.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Those Fist helmets look like something I could use for IW stand ins.

Not sure if trolling (Imperial Fist players)...

KRONK - get in here!

 Alpharius wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Those Fist helmets look like something I could use for IW stand ins.

Not sure if trolling (Imperial Fist players)...

KRONK - get in here!

Yea, I'll buy some, paint them yellow, then some patchwork gunmetal over.

I'm sure the IW loot the battlefield afterwards.

 Theophony wrote:
The world eater helmets harken back tithe early days of the crusade right after Angron was found and before he got his axes. When his weapons would break under the stress he would grab the nearest world eater and hurl them at the opponents. Tired of seeing them miss their mark he ordered the techmarines to fix the problem. That's why the "lawn dart" model was created and only used by the world eaters.

You almost had me there.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
The world eater helmets harken back tithe early days of the crusade right after Angron was found and before he got his axes. When his weapons would break under the stress he would grab the nearest world eater and hurl them at the opponents. Tired of seeing them miss their mark he ordered the techmarines to fix the problem. That's why the "lawn dart" model was created and only used by the world eaters.

You almost had me there.

I'm now actually trying to talk myself in to creating a small force of world eaters with angron. Remove the axes and attach two world eaters with these helmets being flung by heir primarch. I could base them to take up the space of the hunter or stalker tank and use them as anti-air support in 40K. Different paint scheme as I think I'll call them the Emperors Lawn Darts . Of course the Emperor did not approve of the name change from The War Dogs to the Emperors Lawn Darts, so Angron had to go with the runner up name of World eaters, which was not actually because of the city eaters as suggested by the black library, but was because the lawn darts were always complaining about how much dirt they ate when they landed head first.

He emperor didn't really object to the name or the tactics that angron employed, but he relinquished to Magnus who kept whining about the name because it was a constant reminder of how he lost his other eye to an errant throw by Angron who was among at Magnus favorite pet chicken.

Sorry for the off topic, I had to share because when I make his stuff up and tell my wife she gives me that face , all you married gamers know he one I'm talking about.

More FW news...

Forge World wrote:FORGE WORLD BULLETIN 21

Not so long ago, I managed to get a quick picture of a model on Israel Gonzalez’s desk he was working on, which turned out to be the superb Iron Hands Iron Father. Walking through the Forge World Studio this week, I caught sight of Israel’s latest work. the Gorgon Terminators from the Iron Hands Legion I think you’ll agree, they look amazing...



The latest model sculpted by Israel Gonzalez.

Andy Hoare, who recently wrote Imperial Armour Volume Two - Second Edition and is part of the team working on the Horus Heresy books, is currently building up his Emperor’s Children Legion. He’s already added plenty of characters to his army, including a Legion Champion, a Master of Signal and a Praetor, which Andy has converted with parts from the Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard and the eagle from Inquisitor Coteaz.

Andy’s been playing through the Isstvan III campaign with his friends. He’s decided he needs to add some potent anti-armour firepower to his army next. Andy wants to keep it a surprise for his next game, but I already feel sorry for his opponent!


Just one part of Andy’s growing Legion.

That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.

That Terminator is pretty cool.

That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.

 warboss wrote:
That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.

I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.

It's also not quite a normal terminator head, it has a mouth vent more like a Mk7 power armor head.

I thiought the mark 5 helm, was meant to be the test/ crossover helm for the terminator helms used in Indommitus pattern terminator armour

MK 5 isn't really an armor pattern, it's a "collection of pieces of armor" from the MK2-4 after the Istvaan massacre.. That helmet looks more MK4.

In the books they called the Ravenguard's mismatched armor "MK5" before giving them Corvus armor.

The paint job on the new Word Bearer kit is kinda dire; it's often a problem with Forgeworld and this case is a particularly bad one. I also don't like those power...axe/glaives they're holding, they look oversized for the Space Marine's hands, like a bad conversion.

Most of the other stuff looks fine, I'm excited for something different than torso and helmet variants to come out (though I realize FW makes bank off what is essentially minor variations in a standard kit).

Mark 5 was a stopgap design made during the Heresy utilising features from the older marks of armour. Other improvised suits of power armour such as that used by the Raven Guard was called mark 5 simply becasue they didnt have another designation for 'heresy' pattern armour. It must have been a designated armour type for FW to produce it. or we could just make Mark 5 from any old scrap pieces...

Anyhoo, I can't find my source matrial, but I am pretty sure in the older codices or IA's it made reference to the fact hat the helmet seen on mark 5 armour was the precurrsor to the terminator helmet seen on the indomitus type.

Markers such as the shape of the lower helm with the 2 studs either side of the grill plus the shape as it goes into the upper helm were the indicators of this.

However this I am sure was from older material and couild have been retconned away.

Mark 6 was an armour type about to go into production, and was presented to honour the Raven Guard as Corvus Corax had been one of the key people in its development and as a way to help him replenish his legion after the mauling at Istvaan V.

The new story is better than the old "haha it looks like a bird" naming story.

I am loving the new terminator pics, hope they'll be putting up the full models soon.

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:
That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.

I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.

As my handy Legiones Astartes: Isstvan Campaign Legions book says, "Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour: A variant of the Indomitus pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour devised by Ferrus Manus and his Iron-Fathers, this advanced prototype suit was just going into production at the outset of the Horus Heresy..."

So, it looks pretty much exactly like it should, very close to Indomitus, but with a few differences.

Yeah, Indomitus pattern was already in existence by the time the prototype Gorgon pattern was being developed by Ferrus Manus and his Iron Fathers- the Imperial Fists are noted in Book 3 as having particularly large numbers of the new Indomitus pattern at the beginning of the Heresy.

shade1313 wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:
That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.

I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.

As my handy Legiones Astartes: Isstvan Campaign Legions book says, "Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour: A variant of the Indomitus pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour devised by Ferrus Manus and his Iron-Fathers, this advanced prototype suit was just going into production at the outset of the Horus Heresy..."

So, it looks pretty much exactly like it should, very close to Indomitus, but with a few differences.

Thanks for clearing that up as I had it backwards apparently. I do kind of wish though it was the other way around with indomitus being the last and only post heresy variant. In any case, it does look cool.

 warboss wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:
That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.

I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.

As my handy Legiones Astartes: Isstvan Campaign Legions book says, "Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour: A variant of the Indomitus pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour devised by Ferrus Manus and his Iron-Fathers, this advanced prototype suit was just going into production at the outset of the Horus Heresy..."

So, it looks pretty much exactly like it should, very close to Indomitus, but with a few differences.

Thanks for clearing that up as I had it backwards apparently. I do kind of wish though it was the other way around with indomitus being the last and only post heresy variant. In any case, it does look cool.

It's actually kind of interesting to note which of the Legions that have been detailed thus far use Indomitus/Tartaros (both simply identified as "Terminator Armour in their entries) for their named, Legion specific terminator units, and which use Cataphractii.

Justaerin...Cataphractii
Red Butchers...Cataphractii
Phoenix...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Deathshroud...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Grave Wardens...Cataphractii
Gorgons...Gorgon pattern (variant of Indomitus)
Firedrakes...Cataphractii
Tyrant Siege...Cataphractii
Lernaean...Cataphractii

Looking through my copy of Visions of Heresy, and some of what's in the older four volume set, the vast majority of the pics of terminator armoured units are in Cataphractii, and I certainly expect at least the Sekhmet to be in it, when the Thousand Sons finally hit.*

Custodes appear to use Cataphractii, or a variant thereof

I did note something interesting for the Iron Hands, who started this whole line of curiosity. On p. 195, there's a Cataphractii with IH symbols, then ten pages later, a picture of Gabriel Santar, first captain of the Iron Hands, in a suit of Indomitus, or something that very much resembles it (Gorgon). Just an interesting observation that ties to the new Gorgons kit...not to say that the book is wholly reliable, as there's a pic of a few RG in Mk 6 armour smack in the Isstvan 5 section of the book.

* It's going to be interesting to see if Sekhmet get access to either Rotor Cannons or, somehow, Assault Cannons, after the bit in A Thousand Sons: "'Prime armaments,' he ordered, and fifty weapons snapped up in unison, a mix of storm bolters, flamers, and newly issued rotary cannons capable of unleashing thousands of shells per minute. their official designation was assault cannon..."

Give me my IF MK3 shoulder pads already!

shade1313 wrote:

It's actually kind of interesting to note which of the Legions that have been detailed thus far use Indomitus/Tartaros (both simply identified as "Terminator Armour in their entries) for their named, Legion specific terminator units, and which use Cataphractii.

Justaerin...Cataphractii
Red Butchers...Cataphractii
Phoenix...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Deathshroud...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Grave Wardens...Cataphractii
Gorgons...Gorgon pattern (variant of Indomitus)
Firedrakes...Cataphractii
Tyrant Siege...Cataphractii
Lernaean...Cataphractii

Those distinctions are made because Cataphractii armor has different rules from other Terminator armor.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

It's actually kind of interesting to note which of the Legions that have been detailed thus far use Indomitus/Tartaros (both simply identified as "Terminator Armour in their entries) for their named, Legion specific terminator units, and which use Cataphractii.

Justaerin...Cataphractii
Red Butchers...Cataphractii
Phoenix...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Deathshroud...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Grave Wardens...Cataphractii
Gorgons...Gorgon pattern (variant of Indomitus)
Firedrakes...Cataphractii
Tyrant Siege...Cataphractii
Lernaean...Cataphractii

Those distinctions are made because Cataphractii armor has different rules from other Terminator armor.

Yes, I know that. I was just interested in which units used which patterns. It's interesting to me. If it's not to you, okay.

As cool as those Gorgon are, they've got a bit of a shoegazer pose going on. Hopefully the heads aren't sculpted into the torsos but it looks like that's the case.

Would have prefered them to look like more bulked out Cataphractii so that they'd tie in with the Immortals a bit better.

First up the last chance bundles

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/LAST_CHANCE_BUNDLES

these are removed at 17;00 GMT this Friday.


New bundles

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles?page=1

The Vraks books bundle has dropped by £10, looks like I'll be putting an order in sooner than I thought.

the "EMPIRE DEFENDERS BUNDLE" looks really cool, I wish I was willing to start a Fantasy just for them.

How can bundles of standard products "run out"?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How can bundles of standard products "run out"?

They don't. Forge World does these bundles for something like 6 months and then pulls them.

I have no idea why.