Forgeworld 2014 News & Rumours - p#132 Questoris Knight Magaera

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**WrentheFaceless**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Agreed.

Its still a bit shorter than a warhound though

**TyraelVladinhurst**

*shakes head* if i had to choose a knight design i think i'll pick this one;
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**Tannhauser42**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

**HisDivineShadow**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

This.

"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.

**jonolikespie**

HisDivineShadow wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

This.

"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.

God those Dreamforge Leviathans, they are masterpieces.
They, and I say this ironically and completely seriously, make the GW knights look like toys. 2 sprues, monopose legs, barely any posability in chest arms and head and non interchangeable weapons. Seriously, toys.

**Yodhrin**

HisDivineShadow wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

This.

"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.

You're equating complexity with quality.

**Sean_OBrien**

Yodhrin wrote:
HisDivineShadow wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

This.

"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.

You're equating complexity with quality.

Quality was never mentioned in any of the above...

"masterpiece of model design "

That doesn't imply quality - rather the design itself as it relates to the item as a model. Back in the early1980s - I was putting together fully articulated VF-1 robotech models that actually transformed...that 30+ year old model design is much more a "masterpiece of model design" than anything GW has produced...still. Most of GW's kits are about on par with the "Skill Level 2" snap fit model kits of that era. Effective for what they are, but far from a design masterpiece.

**Snrub**

Yodhrin wrote:
You're equating complexity with quality.

Exactly.

The Anvil Industry Grenadiers and Unity Council marines are at best 3 parts (head, torso w/gun & legs) each and they blow the GW Cadians out of the water in respects to detail and quality.

**HisDivineShadow**

Yodhrin wrote:
HisDivineShadow wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

This.

"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.

You're equating complexity with quality.

You apparently equate a Citadel stamp on the box with quality.

I don't. Does Mark's stuff have the gothic bling that GW smothers everything in? No. But saying they are not quality, extremely well engineered and down right fun kits is.....myopic.

I like 40k. Doesn't mean I'm married to GW.

The Leviathan kit isnt even a model.

It's a damn build your own action figure. I almost didn't want to glue it....

**Azazelx**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Well, it may not seem all that fun, but when you play 1 or two legions, you are going to care about those two, and not the other 16 versions. Others will care about different ones.

At least the Contemptors and many of the legion variation stuff like shoulder pads are minimal investments of design time- the Contemptor base is the same, so they dont have to rediscover the STC for the wheel each time. The amount of design time taken for the probably not all that much different for the design of a single tank like the fellblade (the first time) or for the new Knights (aain the first time, later iterations are merely variants and take a lot less time)

Having the two contemptors released that they did pretty much finishes up book 2 unique models, and starts some of the book 3 stuff

Well said.

**Frozen Ocean**

Alpharius wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Agreed on all counts!

I was really hoping FW was going to be making all/most of the Knights based off of GW's plastic version...

It's the same for me, although I would hardly call it a "masterpiece" in terms of its physical model. I just greatly prefer the aesthetic of the GW Knight over these "Cerastuses", and I was really hoping that FW would make upgrade kits/alternate weapons for the Knight, not these things. It's the same reason why I'm going to put in all the effort to make the Knight articulated rather than just buying the Leviathan; I just don't like how it looks.

Another reason why FW should be making upgrade kits for the plastic Knight is that, as a Codex, it's abysmal. It has three possible weapons, and both of the ranged ones are extremely similar (high-strength low AP large blasts). I'm working on making these myself, but I'd like if FW had started making more in the theme of "Leman Russ weapon x2", giving us rapid-fire plasma destroyers, double punisher gatling cannons, and so on. Also the option to replace the reaper chainsword with another gun and replace the pointless heavy stubber(s) with something worthwhile like lascannons or autocannons. Also Chaos Knights, seriously. Even if I didn't like the upgrade kit and never used it, it would at least mean that the rules would exist.

**Dysartes**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Going by the old Epic model, the Lancer should be taller and more gangly than a standard Paladin. The Castigator (and Crusader, if I remember the name correctly) were the heavier fire support Knights, and so should've been about the same height as the normal Knight, but bulked out a bit.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Dysartes wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Going by the old Epic model, the Lancer should be taller and more gangly than a standard Paladin. The Castigator (and Crusader, if I remember the name correctly) were the heavier fire support Knights, and so should've been about the same height as the normal Knight, but bulked out a bit.

yup, but as should the errent. but GW completely disregards such things now

**Yodhrin**

HisDivineShadow wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
HisDivineShadow wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.

This.

"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.

You're equating complexity with quality.

You apparently equate a Citadel stamp on the box with quality.

I don't. Does Mark's stuff have the gothic bling that GW smothers everything in? No. But saying they are not quality, extremely well engineered and down right fun kits is.....myopic.

I like 40k. Doesn't mean I'm married to GW.

The Leviathan kit isnt even a model.

It's a damn build your own action figure. I almost didn't want to glue it....

An excellent critique....of things I didn't even come close to saying. Well done.

**tyrannosaurus**

WTF is up with that Raven Guard Contemptor? Doesn't fit into the RG aesthetic at all, and doesn't even look like tribal markings, but some weird swirly pattern. I don't think I have liked ANY models produced by Trish Carden, she is a serious weak link at FW.

**Crimson**

Alpharius wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.

Agreed on all counts!

I was really hoping FW was going to be making all/most of the Knights based off of GW's plastic version...

Yep. I completely agree.

**angelofvengeance**

Probably the best thing about the Castigator (for me at least) is the giant ammunition hopper on its back for the mega bolter

**ImAGeek**

I actually much prefer the FW Knights to the GW one. When I saw the GW one I was impressed but the more I see it the less impressive it is. Very monopose unless you're good at converting, too small, squat profile. The FW ones are awesome though.

Actually I've just looked again and the GW ones still pretty good... But I do like the FW ones more.

**Frozen Ocean**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Probably the best thing about the Castigator (for me at least) is the giant ammunition hopper on its back for the mega bolter

Same here. One thing I really love is belt-fed ammunition, and I was planning on making an ammo system for my own Knight for punisher cannons and "megabolters", although I imagined my hopper a little larger. My favourite thing about the Thanatar is its belt-fed heavy bolters (or bolt cannons or whatever they are).

Spoiler:

**Wilson**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
Probably the best thing about the Castigator (for me at least) is the giant ammunition hopper on its back for the mega bolter

Same here. One thing I really love is belt-fed ammunition, and I was planning on making an ammo system for my own Knight for punisher cannons and "megabolters", although I imagined my hopper a little larger. My favourite thing about the Thanatar is its belt-fed heavy bolters (or bolt cannons or whatever they are).

Spoiler:

Will the thanatar ever get rules for 40k? I love them but I cannot justify buying one if I can't use it :(

**Frozen Ocean**

Probably not, but you could always use it anyway. It depends on who you play with. Unfortunately, it's too big to really proxy for anything other than a Dreadknight. I use Thallax as Obliterators.

**Crimson**

Wilson wrote:

Will the thanatar ever get rules for 40k? I love them but I cannot justify buying one if I can't use it :(

I have the same problem with the entire Mechanicum product line. I'd probably buy an entire Ad Mech army if I could use them in 40K.

**ImAGeek**

Well, if the people you play with let you use FW, just use the Taghmata Omnissiah army list.

**sockwithaticket**

I prefer the FW Knights, to the GW ones.

The pose the Castigator is in is pretty uninspired BUT the wonderful thing about that is you can repose it yourself, whereas with GW's squat - Knight you get minimal posability.

This blog post on apoc40k does a good job of showing wat you could do with it http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/forgeworld-imperial-knight-castigator.html

Anyne remember when Knights were on the way and everyone wondered whether Dreamforge Leviathan's would be too big or small? Well I think they're about right to represent a Cerastus Knight.

**Crimson**

ImAGeek wrote:
Well, if the people you play with let you use FW, just use the Taghmata Omnissiah army list.

It is not about FW, it is about 40K approved rules, and HH stuff isn't that.

**Frozen Ocean**

Horus Heresy rules, also known as 30k, are generally bigger and louder than 40k rules. I believe FW's recommendation for playing xenos in 30k is to double their squad size and special/heavy weapon count, or something similar to that, as well as a percentage increase in points.

**Lockark**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
Horus Heresy rules, also known as 30k, are generally bigger and louder than 40k rules. I believe FW's recommendation for playing xenos in 30k is to double their squad size and special/heavy weapon count, or something similar to that, as well as a percentage increase in points.

My experience has been it works as long as you do two things.

-Make sure they have acess to their own FW units and are aware of the new options thows books give them
-They are using the same FoC chart choices as listed in the age of darkness expansion.

I also suggest don't take your normal 40k list, build a list for 30k and how having all the marine armies replaced with the single legion list changes the game's meta.

**BlaxicanX**

30K units are overcosted compared to 40K units. The biggest challenge you'd get trying to mix 40K/30K armies in a game is that 30K armies only really become viable against 40K armies at around 2000 points.

**reds8n**

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Monday 1st of September, 2014

FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #31

October might seem like a long time away but the Forge World Studio is already busy preparing for Warhammer Fest, and that’s on top of all the great stuff planned for the Forge World European Open Day this weekend!

As well as hosting some of the Demonstration Pods at Warhammer Fest, where the Forge World designers will be helping you learn some awesome new skills, we’ll have a large range of our fantastically painted models on display. We’ll also be unveiling some new models and will have plenty of products on sale for the first time, including a brand new book... I’ll bring you more on that in a future bulletin as soon as I can!

Sunday at Warhammer Fest includes the world-renowned Golden Demon painting competition, not to mention our very own Forge World Best of Show award. For this coveted accolade, we select the best painted Forge World or Warhammer Forge model from among all the entries for Golden Demon. Previous winners have included Michel Adinarayanin's amazing Decimator vs Contemptor diorama.

Michel’s diorama won the Forge World Best of Show award at Games Day Spain in 2013.

Though the Space Wolves Legion hasn’t yet appeared in a Horus Heresy book, Israel Gonzalez has been hard at work on his Legion. You can create an army list for any Legion in the time of the the Horus Heresy using the Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List book.

Israel’s Space Wolves Legion is ready to charge into battle.

Using Space Marine Legion MkII, Legion MkIII and Cataphractii armour sets, along with parts from the plastic Space Wolves Pack, Israel has made his own Heresy-era Space Wolves. So far he’s added a Legion Whirlwind Scorpius for some long-ranged firepower, with more vehicles to be deployed soon.

Grizzled veterans of the Great Crusade lead the charge.

That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.

Chris.

**H.B.M.C.**

I really like the more muted tones of Heresy-era Wolves.