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Ok, basic question here. When a Biovore launches it's spore mines and misses, then d3 mines are placed where the template is. Spore Mines have new rules and may assault as normal. There is no restriction on assaulting after they drop, but no units can assault after Deep striking. However, this is definitely NOT deepstriking, I only mention this because the Spore can deepstrike if bought separately.

RAW, they may assault anytime and are never barred from assaulting after being placed. So, I'd have to say... yes they can. Thoughts?

If they deepstrike they can't assault pretty cut and dry.

to the op

Yes the d3 "place" after the biovore barrage can assault that same turn, but remember spore mines assault distance is half the rolled amount so still need to be close.

However the spore cluster purchased as a fast attack choice that deep strikes cannot assault the turn they arrive.

 Guitarquero wrote:
If they deepstrike they can't assault pretty cut and dry.

No arguments there. However Spore mines that miss are not deep stuck.

@Eihnlazer: I agree with you, and yeah that's true on the halved, but it would also be very easy to use them to deny overwatch. Shoot them at the back of a unit, if you get a hit on the second or third blast, just flip it over so no one is hit and place the mines! Then, declare an assault, and if they're killed assault with another unit.

you wouldn't be able to intentionally place the blast marker so it is not covering any models, that would break the blast rules.

 nutty_nutter wrote:
you wouldn't be able to intentionally place the blast marker so it is not covering any models, that would break the blast rules.

In a barrage unit, the first must be targetting an enemy model. However, the second and third simply scatter off the original. If I roll a "hit" I chose where it scatters, so long as it touches the original. I could choose to place it not on enemy models, if I wanted to assault with the mines it produces, in case I wanted to soak up overwatch, or hit a second unit.

 jifel wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
you wouldn't be able to intentionally place the blast marker so it is not covering any models, that would break the blast rules.

In a barrage unit, the first must be targetting an enemy model. However, the second and third simply scatter off the original. If I roll a "hit" I chose where it scatters, so long as it touches the original. I could choose to place it not on enemy models, if I wanted to assault with the mines it produces, in case I wanted to soak up overwatch, or hit a second unit.

Partially true.

Only the first marker can create spores. If the second or third ones miss no spores are created.

rigeld2 wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
you wouldn't be able to intentionally place the blast marker so it is not covering any models, that would break the blast rules.

In a barrage unit, the first must be targetting an enemy model. However, the second and third simply scatter off the original. If I roll a "hit" I chose where it scatters, so long as it touches the original. I could choose to place it not on enemy models, if I wanted to assault with the mines it produces, in case I wanted to soak up overwatch, or hit a second unit.

Partially true.

Only the first marker can create spores. If the second or third ones miss no spores are created.

Good catch. That clears up that part of it then.

I don't have the rule book in front of me right now, so forgive the question if the answer seems obvious.

Can Deep Striking units run instead of shoot the turn that they arrive?

If so, the little spuds could move one to three inches (depending on your D3 run roll) after Deep Striking.

yes they are permitted to run.

IVEATCH wrote:
I don't have the rule book in front of me right now, so forgive the question if the answer seems obvious.

Can Deep Striking units run instead of shoot the turn that they arrive?

If so, the little spuds could move one to three inches (depending on your D3 run roll) after Deep Striking.

Yes they can run, but not assault. The question is if they can assault after being Biovore-launched, which is not a Deep Strike.

Currently nothing prevents the biovore spore mines from assaulting. If GW ever produces a FAQ for the book, I'd expect that to get changed though (you know, because it's actually useful).

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Currently nothing prevents the biovore spore mines from assaulting. If GW ever produces a FAQ for the book, I'd expect that to get changed though (you know, because it's actually useful).

This is how i'm running my biovores today. Honestly, missing with a spore min should but you close enough to charge the target unit, even with the 2d6/2 range.


The new question is, does missing with the biovore brood count the spore mines as 'shooting' at the biovores' target? For purposes of assaulting what you shot at.

The spores didn't shoot anything, so the spore unit is free to charge whoever they want.

It's interesting that if the first template misses, you get D3 spores. The 2nd and 3rd template can hit. Looks like I'll be firing on the edge of a unit with another unit near it.

It's odd that the spore mine cluster (fast attack choice) is 3 models, with the option to buy 3 more. The rule for them says that they hit at S4, +1 for each additional spore mine with a max of 10. Even if you take all 6, you cap at S9. Odd they put in a Max of 10 when you can't reach it.


-Matt

Not odd at all. Vibro cannons are the same way, cap at S9, rule says cannot go above 10. Most likely it is in case of future releases (such as an apocalypse formation).

Yep, and who knows, maybe in future releases there'll be a psychic power which will cause all hits against the target unit to be +2 Strength?

It's more for continuity and for potential future releases, so they have it all covered, than anything else. Same reason why many Nid units have the Very Bulky special rule, despite there being no transports.

It's actually a rare moment of good rules writing on GW's part.

Actually I was initially wondering why Nids were given the very bulky rule. Then I read the red terror's swallow whole special rule.

 The Shadow wrote:
Same reason why many Nid units have the Very Bulky special rule, despite there being no transports.

Actually we do have transports, in the Fortifications slot.