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Looking at running an Ultramarine list for an upcoming tourney wondering what you all think of the list below. Combat squad marines hide scouts in bolster cover on objective.

HQ
Tigurius

Elite
5 Sternguard - 3 combi melta - Drop pod

Troops
10 tacticals -Plasma, missile Launcher - Rhino
10 Tacticals - Melta, missile Launcher - Rhino
5 Sniper Scouts

Fast Attack
StormTalon - Skyhammer

Heavy Support
StormRaven
Thunderfire Cannon
3 Dev Centurions - 3 Grav, omniscope

Thanks for your input

Looks good.

Is there not a cheaper suicide melta option than sternguard in a pod? at the very least for similar points you may be able to get more melta shots a multiple targets with deep striking MM land speeders. It's the same concept, but you have a jink save and you only need to get within 12" for the melta effect.

 The Shrike wrote:
Is there not a cheaper suicide melta option than sternguard in a pod? at the very least for similar points you may be able to get more melta shots a multiple targets with deep striking MM land speeders. It's the same concept, but you have a jink save and you only need to get within 12" for the melta effect.

But they're unreliable as they MAY come in on T2, but possibly not until much later when they're useless.

The Podding sternguard are in on T1, guaranteed.

It's a choice between guaranteed arrival when you need it most and a crap-shoot.

I agree with that assessment, but I think you need to find 20 points to get 5 then. 3 melta shots does not a guaranteed dead land raider make...

I'd suggest dropping the ML's from the Tac squads to pick up another couple Combi Meltas for the stern.

All great suggestions so far. The sternguard MUST do something so I agree the more combimelta the better. Not sold on the Land Speeder idea just yet for the exact reason I will have my sternguard turn one. That means if I am first serpents aren't getting their jink etc. Plus they cannot be ignored and will more than likely draw more fire than a paper thin Land Speeder. They can deploy into terrain hopefully for a 5+ cover.

Plus the Ultramarines love sternguard as I will be rerolling 1's for combat doctrine

If I dropped the Centurions what would you suggest fielding. I currently don't own the models so I'd like options

I like the SG, but again, they need 5 combis. I'd give my assent to dropping a ML.

3 c-meltas I think is a good balance between points and getting a kill. You should get 2 hits, both should pen, and one of those should blow it up. Yah, that’s a lot of “should”s, but if the dice are against you, no amount of redundancy is going to help. If you are going to hand out more combis, I’d give the tac squads ones to match their specials.

I would not take the MLs away from the tacs. sometimes you need an extra S8 shot winging across the table. Without heavies on the tacs, all your AV fire is on/in flyers, close range, or the sternguard.

I’m not a big fan of 5 man suicide sternguard, but understand why you have them. I’d rather have a full 10 man squad, but you are not going to get that unless you bump up the points or cut other vital units.

Drop the stern guard, put 5 man tac squad with melta and combi melta in drop pod , ultra chapter tactics give rerolls

Interesting idea, what do I do with those extra points?

What's the empty storm raven for?


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Tell me those Dev Centurians have missile launchers as well yes?

Stormravens, in my opinion, should almost always be empty as if they get shot down you are putting too many eggs in one basket. Especially at 1500pts. Naw I didn't have the points for missile cents unfortunately.

I agree with the above... unless you are putting Mephiston in one.

skycapt44 wrote:
Stormravens, in my opinion, should almost always be empty as if they get shot down you are putting too many eggs in one basket. Especially at 1500pts. Naw I didn't have the points for missile cents unfortunately.

Stormraven rule, (strike/death?) from the skies rule.

If the Stormraven has moved more than 6', the guys can jump out. Roll for scatter, and if you do, take a dangerous terrain test. So there's literally no extra risk, throwing say.. centurions out, than if the thing was empty.

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 smithy12262 wrote:

skycapt44 wrote:
Stormravens, in my opinion, should almost always be empty as if they get shot down you are putting too many eggs in one basket. Especially at 1500pts. Naw I didn't have the points for missile cents unfortunately.

Stormraven rule, (strike/death?) from the skies rule.

If the Stormraven has moved more than 6', the guys can jump out. Roll for scatter, and if you do, take a dangerous terrain test. So there's literally no extra risk, throwing say.. centurions out, than if the thing was empty.

While you can jump out of the raven and shoot stuff, and there are times you will want to, there are other problems with that stratagy. The big one is that with a third of your army hinging on one reserve roll, the rest of your forces are going to be facing an uphill battle. Shooting units in reserve are not as bad as assault units, but most of the time I'd want them on the table putting fire downrange turn one.