Games workshop finaly getting rid of it's metal stock

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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

It certainly suggests not everything was dumped

but we don't know how much old junk (metal) they had, they could have been a bunch that had never been on sale for ages and that's what's gone, and they've kept the stock where they have it on the site at the moment

**pretre**

It's possible, but 3 tractor trailer trucks (from the rumor) would indicate the whole shebang. I think this is pretty much busted at this point.

**Herzlos**

It's more likely that they just haven't updated the website yet, and that it might be done as part of the overhaul.

I've put in an order for some "Usually ships within 24 hours" items, so we'll find out in a few days if it's fulfilled or not.

**pretre**

Herzlos wrote:
It's more likely that they just haven't updated the website yet, and that it might be done as part of the overhaul.

I've put in an order for some "Usually ships within 24 hours" items, so we'll find out in a few days if it's fulfilled or not.

That'd be a pretty big oops to sell stuff through the cart that doesn't exist yet. Occam's Razor, man.

**AlexHolker**

Mr. Burning wrote:
How well did the codex sell? Gw do not provide these figures.

Did it sell well enough to warrant the expense of tooling for Plastic AS?

GW have had what? 10+ years to model and release plastic sisters. If current GW saw a market for them don't you think they would have been released? (3rd parties aren't exactly jumping on this lucrative band wagon either).

Please do not see this as a rant against you or the many active sisters players. But - along with the rest of the metals - demand vs current plastics and third parties and alternative gaming systems (in the case of specialist ) pricing or not just wasn't there. if by GW's own design or by the action of us hobbyists.

Subjectively high pricing would not be considered an issue by GW as to why the range may or may not be selling.

I'm going to say the same thing I've said before: Games Workshop has spent nine times as much money on moulds for five different plastic Space Marine Dreadnoughts as they'd need to spend on a combined HQ, Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support kit for the Sisters of Battle. Limited edition skull-shaped rocks for a game nobody asked for were found deserving of a plastic kit, but the Sisters didn't get one sprue. And one sprue would be all they needed to provide a foundation for the army - anything else could come later.

Show me a man who thinks that the fifth plastic kit in the already saturated plastic Space Marine dreadnought market will sell more than twice as much as the entire Sisters of Battle army put together, and I'll show you an idiot or a bigot.

**Herzlos**

pretre wrote:
Herzlos wrote:
It's more likely that they just haven't updated the website yet, and that it might be done as part of the overhaul.

I've put in an order for some "Usually ships within 24 hours" items, so we'll find out in a few days if it's fulfilled or not.

That'd be a pretty big oops to sell stuff through the cart that doesn't exist yet. Occam's Razor, man.

Not at all. I've bought things on the online store before and got an email a few days later saying it's OOP and offering a refund. So I don't find it unlikely for it to happen again.

In fact I find it more likely that GW will sell off the metal first, so as to leave the changes to as late as possible and wrap them up in the website changes, than for GW to still have stocks because they are on the website.

**Troike**

BlackTalos wrote:
But until someone actually orders a AS model (and reports back from now) we do not know indeed.

I ordered two the day before the rumour was posted, but I don't know if that would have been interfered with by this, if it is indeed going to interfere with AS models. As Pretre said, you'd think we would've heard something by now.

Kosake wrote:
Orly? Dark eldar have long hair, priests, dark angels and probably half the fantasy range have cloth and robes, every other HQ has a cloak... Sounds like a really lame excuse to me.

It's not that they can't do hair and robes full stop, rather that they had specific issues doing them with plastic Sisters. Jes Goodwin goes into the specifics of it here:

Yes the problem with the Sisters of Battle has been the cloth robe sleeves on the under side of their arms, their hair and also the script work on their shoulders.

The problem with the robes on their arms is that it can only be sculpted flowing in one direction, which means posing can be a problem.

This isn't such an issue with Sisters armed with Bolt Guns as the pose will be pretty much set, but when you get things like Seraphim or models armed with close combat weapons you would get a very limited number of poses. This is because if you had the arm held up high the robes may stick out in a gravity defying way, which would look very unnatural.

The hair is essentially the same thing. They want the new models to be much more dynamic, which would mean their hair would not be as static as the previous Sisters of Battle miniatures. This poses problems with posing as the hair and robes need to flow in the same direction, which again limits the amount of poses possible (sorry for the over use of the word pose there - couldn't think of another on! ).

The bit I didn't quite get the gist of was the shoulder plates. He said they wanted embossed and rolling scriptwork on the shoulder plates, and the way it was curving around the plates was presenting problems. I'm not sure in all honesty what that meant but it may be similar to the problems mentioned above or it might be the way the model is cast. It might be the fact that you are very limited in undercuts on a tool when producing plastic miniatures ( by tool I mean mold, but plastic molds are known as tools).

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/328983.page

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
That is what Count-As is for !

Counts-as is for heretics. I shall field my Canoness as the God-Emperor intended.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
That is not a very customizable command squad. A very customizable command squad has access to bikes, jetpacks, stormshields,

I was referring to their weapons loadouts. But yes, they could be much more customisable still. Could be that the metal models are holding the army as a whole back from becoming more dynamic. I image that plastic models would come with some more options.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Woah, never noticed that. Do you have an exorcist ? You definitely need at least one. And seraphims are really cool to play with Hit and run. Given how monotonous the rest of the army will be, you need one unit of them too !

Just put it in recently. And yeah, I know the basics of SoB army building.

AlexHolker wrote:
but the Sisters didn't get one sprue. And one sprue would be all they needed to provide a foundation for the army - anything else could come later.

Though let's not forget that they have attempted to actually make plastic Sisters in the past, they haven't just abandoned the Sisters entirely.

The new weekly model releases might just be the chance that plastic SoBs need, as before they would have been bound by a codex release.

**tyrannosaurus**

Bought some Sisters yesterday and just got an email saying they've been shipped so I suppose they're still coming. Glad I've got all I need though

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Troike wrote:
Counts-as is for heretics. I shall field my Canoness as the God-Emperor intended.

The God-Emperor intended the Canoness as in every way inferior to the Chaos lord, but for the same point value

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Troike wrote:
The new weekly model releases might just be the chance that plastic SoBs need, as before they would have been bound by a codex release.

You will not be so optimist when you will have waited for ten years with the same 1600 point army

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**pretre**

Don't get him started. Troike is very optimistic on Plastic Sisters.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Yeah, noob's optimism. He will get old-timer's fatalism soon enough !

**Troike**

I just like to point out that there's some pretty good evidence in favour of plastic SoBs happening at some point. More often than not I think that people are a little too cynical about this subject anyway, so an alternate view is an okay thing to have.

I can understand why you guys aren't all that hopeful, though.

pretre wrote:
Don't get him started.

Haven't I "started" already? I mean, I can be more enthusiastic about it, if you want.

**BlackTalos**

Troike wrote:
BlackTalos wrote:
But until someone actually orders a AS model (and reports back from now) we do not know indeed.

I ordered two the day before the rumour was posted, but I don't know if that would have been interfered with by this, if it is indeed going to interfere with AS models. As Pretre said, you'd think we would've heard something by now.

Testing it out myself, just put up an order as i needed 2 more metlaguns =)

If it gets shipped, then Sister o Battle stock was untouched, and this was another pile of metal from another source...

**CthuluIsSpy**

Clearly, they are liquidating the rest of the Squats

**silent25**

The destruction of all the metal figs is likely a fake rumor. Given the newest one-click bundle that just went up has metals figs in it:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2390001a

**Schmapdi**

silent25 wrote:
The destruction of all the metal figs is likely a fake rumor. Given the newest one-click bundle that just went up has metals figs in it:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2390001a

Couldn't that also be indicative that GW is indeed trying to get rid of all their metal? To move it one way or another.

Also the cynic in me says they're pushing these metal slayers now only to have new plastic slayers in the near future. Surely there's no way they'd not release new slayers (probably the most iconic unit of the army) when the current ones are sooo damn old. I hope not too many people get suckered into buying them.

**Mr. Burning**

AlexHolker wrote:
Mr. Burning wrote:

Show me a man who thinks that the fifth plastic kit in the already saturated plastic Space Marine dreadnought market will sell more than twice as much as the entire Sisters of Battle army put together, and I'll show you an idiot or a bigot.

GW, apparently.

**Herzlos**

silent25 wrote:
The destruction of all the metal figs is likely a fake rumor. Given the newest one-click bundle that just went up has metals figs in it:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2390001a

Could just be a last ditch effort to cash in on the dwarf release and shift some metal at the same time (good on 'em, it's better to do that than scrap them). I wouldn't be susprised to find plastic slayers shortly though.

**Ruberu**

That means I need to hurry up and get a couple more boxes of Steel Legion and Mordians.... I need to do that now!

**Captain Blood**

Well if nothing else this rumour will give GW sales a nice little boost

**Daston**

I ordered about £150 worth of Vostroyans yesterday to boost my current army. Shipped by the afternoon and should be here today.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Troike wrote:
More often than not I think that people are a little too cynical about this subject anyway, so an alternate view is an okay thing to have.

You will be cynical too ! Just wait a dozen of years full of rumor of plastic SOB, and you will be !

**Troike**

Schmapdi wrote:
Couldn't that also be indicative that GW is indeed trying to get rid of all their metal? To move it one way or another.

Then why only do it for these? Wouldn't they have done more to push the metal figs?

**Compel**

I still say all they need to do is publically and 'officially' announce that they're no longer producing metal minis, once they're gone, they're gone.

And see people flock. No need to do any price reductions at all.

**pretre**

So can we put this thread to bed since we've proved it wasn't true?

**Alpharius**

If we've conclusive proof that it isn't true, than yes.

I apologize for not paying close attention in here - so, is there a consensus that it is, in fact, not true?

**Kroothawk**

Alpharius wrote:
If we've conclusive proof that it isn't true, than yes.
I apologize for not paying close attention in here - so, is there a consensus that it is, in fact, not true?

At the moment it is an unconfirmed rumour by pretre

I fear that getting rid of metal and Finecast has a higher priority for the non-gaming GW managers than keeping the existing Codices and armybooks functional. And that they won't be present on the new website.

**pretre**

Alpharius wrote:
If we've conclusive proof that it isn't true, than yes.

I apologize for not paying close attention in here - so, is there a consensus that it is, in fact, not true?

Well, people have ordered quite a bit of metal in the last few days since this rumor says it was all sent away to be smelted and the orders have shipped. That's a pretty good indication that this is bunk.

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Kroothawk wrote:
At the moment it is an unconfirmed rumour by pretre

I fear that getting rid of metal and Finecast has a higher priority for the non-gaming GW managers than keeping the existing Codices and armybooks functional. And that they won't be present on the new website.

Well, if three tractor trailers of metal were smelted where are all these metal minis that are still getting shipped coming from?

And isn't that 'alleged' new website since I've seen no official confirmation of that.

**BlackTalos**

Kroothawk wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
If we've conclusive proof that it isn't true, than yes.
I apologize for not paying close attention in here - so, is there a consensus that it is, in fact, not true?

At the moment it is an unconfirmed rumour by pretre

I fear that getting rid of metal and Finecast has a higher priority for the non-gaming GW managers than keeping the existing Codices and armybooks functional. And that they won't be present on the new website.

I would like to add I also have personally heard of the 3 trailer trucks being filled with Pewter models. No internet rumour, someone told me on the day it was happening =P

Now i am still waiting upon my recent order, as it's currently "Order being processed", but if people are still getting metal stock sent to them then it must have been the "old" metal models (the ex-finecast stock).
This doesn't mean the event did not happen, just that currently listed items are unaffected.

As for the "metal is cheap" argument, I do believe some people in the UK have been stealing sewer covers to sell off and make money as well as copper wiring from along Rail tracks.... Metal is not selling cheap, and smelting their stock might get GW a quick cash-in they might be needing atm

**silent25**

BlackTalos wrote:

As for the "metal is cheap" argument, I do believe some people in the UK have been stealing sewer covers to sell off and make money as well as copper wiring from along Rail tracks.... Metal is not selling cheap, and smelting their stock might get GW a quick cash-in they might be needing atm

While not as high as they were previously. Prices did go through a pretty strong tear for several years. Around the time GW switched to finecast. Nickel was skyrocketing. I can't fault them for switching from metal to resin. I just fault them for the process and resin they switched too.