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Just for the record i like Tau the most of all races.

I recently was thinking about the reasons no-one likes Tau and the over-power shenanigans and come to realize that whilst the reasons are numerous they somewhat boil down to one point. Tau are a Sci-fi race in a Sci-fantasy setting.

If you look at them objectively:
They just don't fit in because they have all the inherent advantages of being Sci-fi and none of the drawback the other races have.
They don't have 'magic' (psykers) they use technology to achieve a similar affect.
They don't resort to getting in close (HtH) because that is the last place anyone wants to be in our own reality.
They use advanced suits to help them achieve a battlefield type advantage.
They rely on ranged fire to defeat the enemy and don't care about 'honour' which prevents them giving up anything vital or making more stupid decisions.

This translates really badly onto the tabletop of a game based on medieval fantasy with guns.

Whilst i don't like to blame things for breaking the game per-say i believe Tau to an extent do. It not an intentional thing but because they are a sci-fi designed race they just don't mesh well and end up being overly-powered because they don't have the flaws of a race designed to be fantasy based.

Take Eldar for example, despite the occasional broken-powerful unit, they actually fit into the genre well and are acceptable despite the power-level. Its a good codex and works really well in the setting because they still fit the theme. Yes it's a powerful codex because of a few bits in it and, to an extent, allies, but it's not considered in the same way Tau are because it still adheres to the 'rules' of fantasy.

I don't want it to happen because i like Tau but I'm coming round to the idea (objectively) that removing them from the setting would be better for everyone.
They are quite possibly the single biggest reason that the game doesn't work properly, despite the dodgy rules here and there.

If you look at the types of units in the game and the emphasis the game put on getting into assault (that it exists as a separate phase is a good indication) they're all designed to be balanced around this on some level, whereas Tau aren't designed with that in mind. I'm not trying to say that assault is the main feature of the game, but it is a third of the game in many aspects.

I think if you took Tau out of the picture you might see a distinct shift in the game and notice that many other armies drastically improve. I obviously don't have a means of quantifying this it's just a feeling i have.

What are your thoughts on this?

No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

Tau don't have the disadvantages other races do. They have their own. That's called making factions unique.

They don't have any "magic" like effects, so no. Tech is not their psykers anymore than Tech is the "Psyker" of Dark Eldar.

They avoid CC because it's barbaric. Read the fluff. They fight with, what they see, as more honor.

Suits, yes. They do. It's also why they totally lack use in apoc games. Tau believe in avoiding giant fights and redeploying if they were to face such massive resistance. It's called a battle tactic.

Again, their 'Honor' is avoiding barbaric melee, and offering the enemy the chance to surrender before the fight. They still make plenty of stupid choices due to GW playing up their Naive nature.


Comparing to Fantasy, Tau are the Wood Elves. Avoid melee, keep moving, and shoot shoot shoot!

The fact they don't have psykers makes them incredibly vulnerable to opposing psykers as well, so there's that.

First off, I dispute that 'no-one likes Tau.' In fact, most people on dakka have a favorable opinion of them.

Second, I don't think that the bedrock of 40k is the sci-fantasy descriptor, but rather the dystopian descriptor. To that end, Tau are absolutely in the 40k wheelhouse. If anything, the game would be better served by removing Tyranids.

 Jimsolo wrote:
First off, I dispute that 'no-one likes Tau.' In fact, most people on dakka have a favorable opinion of them.

Second, I don't think that the bedrock of 40k is the sci-fantasy descriptor, but rather the dystopian descriptor. To that end, Tau are absolutely in the 40k wheelhouse. If anything, the game would be better served by removing Tyranids.

No.

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

To be fair, Nids don't really fear Str9 ap2 large blasts, they have enough MC(6-10, 4-6 wounds each) so a Tau that only has Riptides as anti MC is in problems. The thing that any Tyranid should fear when facing Tau is that dammed Skyray that can oneshot any of our MC with the exception of the Tyrannofex.

they could miss one = 3

Boniface wrote:
They don't have 'magic' (psykers) they use technology to achieve a similar affect.
They don't resort to getting in close (HtH) because that is the last place anyone wants to be in our own reality.
They rely on ranged fire to defeat the enemy and don't care about 'honour' which prevents them giving up anything vital or making more stupid decisions.

You mean kind of like IG? Tau are just IG with pragmatic use of technology instead of massive swarms of tanks and meatshields.

What are your thoughts on this?

It's complete nonsense. The Tau balance problems pretty much start and end with the Riptide, which is a blatant case of making an overpowered unit (which doesn't even fit the previous fluff) to sell the new $80 kit. Take away the ability to get cross-table pie plates and Tau become a lot more balanced. All of their other units are pretty limited in range, they have lots of shooting within 36" (and even more within 12-18") and JSJ mobility, but their firepower outside 36" is pretty much nonexistent and they struggle to take and hold objectives outside of their own deployment zone. The previous codex had the exact same fundamental concepts, but was a mediocre mono-build codex at best.

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

You act like they're guaranteed to hit. First they have to get the nova charge off. Secondly they have to land a large blast with a BS3. I don't think that blast ignores cover, so get in cover. Secondly one large blast isn't going to really scare my T6 TMCs. And if someone has brought 3 Riptides, then i'm assuming the rest of their army is rather poor. Whether its lack of scoring units, lack of support units, whatever.


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 Tyran wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

To be fair, Nids don't really fear Str9 ap2 large blasts, they have enough MC(6-10, 4-6 wounds each) so a Tau that only has Riptides as anti MC is in problems. The thing that any Tyranid should fear when facing Tau is that dammed Skyray that can oneshot any of our MC with the exception of the Tyrannofex.

Haven't faced a Skyray yet... What does it have that can 1shot a T6 W6 TMC?

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

You act like they're guaranteed to hit. First they have to get the nova charge off. Secondly they have to land a large blast with a BS3. I don't think that blast ignores cover, so get in cover. Secondly one large blast isn't going to really scare my T6 TMCs. And if someone has brought 3 Riptides, then i'm assuming the rest of their army is rather poor. Whether its lack of scoring units, lack of support units, whatever.


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 Tyran wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

To be fair, Nids don't really fear Str9 ap2 large blasts, they have enough MC(6-10, 4-6 wounds each) so a Tau that only has Riptides as anti MC is in problems. The thing that any Tyranid should fear when facing Tau is that dammed Skyray that can oneshot any of our MC with the exception of the Tyrannofex.

Haven't faced a Skyray yet... What does it have that can 1shot a T6 W6 TMC?

How can you judge and make assumptions on how 3 Riptides means the rest of the Tau army brought will be poorly itemized? LMAO Wow...

Ok no... That BS3 means complete frak all, even if you scatter, the chances of you completely obliterating someone elses troops (Which is really all you need to do with Large Blasts) is completely worth it. The 3+ roll for a Nova Charge is bloody easy as heck to make... and once you're through pretty much removing your opponents ability to score objectives that he doesn't park a Terv on you force him to play (Wait for this) DEFENSIVELY :O

Because as soon as you realize you have to hide in cover, those said Skyrays will have a bloody field day with you. And since the Riptide is an Elite you can still bring 3 Skyrays which all ignore cover with TL-SMS let alone the 6 Seeker Missles that are AP3 and will wound on 2s even on your lovely MCs.

Where is your God when a Tau player doesn't have to try in his attempts to table you?

Cuz I've done it a plethora of times... Which is why I no longer play Tau...

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:


Haven't faced a Skyray yet... What does it have that can 1shot a T6 W6 TMC?

It is a 115 points tank with BS4 6 one-shoot missiles, SMS and 2 markerlights. And Skyfire. Factor markerlights form other units+ the ones already integrated in the tank and this thing can fire 6 bs5+ str8 ap3 shoots that ignore cover.
Yeah it doesn't shoots those missiles again, but that is 115 points that 1 shooted a Tervigon, or a Flyrant, or any other MC that isn't a Tyrannofex.

If it doesn't move it can fire 6 BS5 seeker missiles that are S8 AP3. So yeah, it has to hit with all 6 and wound with all 6, but it could take down your MC in one round of shooting.

However, it now has no more missiles for the rest of the game and only two markerlights.

An SOB exorisist can do the same thing. Only with good rolls it can do it every turn. So its not really something unique to Tau.

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

You act like they're guaranteed to hit. First they have to get the nova charge off. Secondly they have to land a large blast with a BS3. I don't think that blast ignores cover, so get in cover. Secondly one large blast isn't going to really scare my T6 TMCs. And if someone has brought 3 Riptides, then i'm assuming the rest of their army is rather poor. Whether its lack of scoring units, lack of support units, whatever.


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 Tyran wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

How do marker lights stop 3 Riptides from Nova Charging str 9 large blasts again?

To be fair, Nids don't really fear Str9 ap2 large blasts, they have enough MC(6-10, 4-6 wounds each) so a Tau that only has Riptides as anti MC is in problems. The thing that any Tyranid should fear when facing Tau is that dammed Skyray that can oneshot any of our MC with the exception of the Tyrannofex.

Haven't faced a Skyray yet... What does it have that can 1shot a T6 W6 TMC?

How can you judge and make assumptions on how 3 Riptides means the rest of the Tau army brought will be poorly itemized? LMAO Wow...

Ok no... That BS3 means complete frak all, even if you scatter, the chances of you completely obliterating someone elses troops (Which is really all you need to do with Large Blasts) is completely worth it. The 3+ roll for a Nova Charge is bloody easy as heck to make... and once you're through pretty much removing your opponents ability to score objectives that he doesn't park a Terv on you force him to play (Wait for this) DEFENSIVELY :O

Because as soon as you realize you have to hide in cover, those said Skyrays will have a bloody field day with you. And since the Riptide is an Elite you can still bring 3 Skyrays which all ignore cover with TL-SMS let alone the 6 Seeker Missles that are AP3 and will wound on 2s even on your lovely MCs.

Where is your God when a Tau player doesn't have to try in his attempts to table you?

Cuz I've done it a plethora of times... Which is why I no longer play Tau...

Um, are you ok?

People who hate Tau are just a bunch of whiney turd burglars....That is all, good day to you all!

 Tyran wrote:

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:


Haven't faced a Skyray yet... What does it have that can 1shot a T6 W6 TMC?

It is a 115 points tank with BS4 6 one-shoot missiles, SMS and 2 markerlights. And Skyfire. Factor markerlights form other units+ the ones already integrated in the tank and this thing can fire 6 bs5+ str8 ap3 shoots that ignore cover.
Yeah it doesn't shoots those missiles again, but that is 115 points that 1 shooted a Tervigon, or a Flyrant, or any other MC that isn't a Tyrannofex.

Glad I haven't seen it yet then. Sounds... lovely. So when it blows its load on 1 MC possibly not killing it as it does roll to hit/wound as normal and yes there are 1's and 2's on a D6... then whats it doing?


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 chiefbigredman wrote:
People who hate Tau are just a bunch of whiney turd burglars....That is all, good day to you all!

Seriously. 90% of my games are against Tau and the only thing I haven't fought was Skyrays. I really don't mind playing against Tau at all.

I really don't know what is wrong with you. Like not to be mean or anything, but what everyone else has been saying is totally true. I was able to beat a very seasoned player in my first 2 weeks of the game, pretty much because I was playing Tau, and ignores cover is just OP. The Buff Commander is absolutely great, especially when put in a Farsight Bomb or an O'Vesa Star. With the Farsight Enclaves supplement, Crisis Suits are Troops! The Talisman also provides the much needed Psychic defense. You can DS troops now, in units of 1 to 3. When it comes down to that untouched objective, that can be killer for your opponent. I don't know if you just had a bad game experience against Tau, but there is not much that they/you can do wrong when running a Tau army. Just as long as you don't run Space Pope. How did you get your opinion on Tau?

Haven't faced a Skyray yet... What does it have that can 1shot a T6 W6 TMC?

It is a 115 points tank with BS4 6 one-shoot missiles, SMS and 2 markerlights. And Skyfire. Factor markerlights form other units+ the ones already integrated in the tank and this thing can fire 6 bs5+ str8 ap3 shoots that ignore cover.
Yeah it doesn't shoots those missiles again, but that is 115 points that 1 shooted a Tervigon, or a Flyrant, or any other MC that isn't a Tyrannofex.

Glad I haven't seen it yet then. Sounds... lovely. So when it blows its load on 1 MC possibly not killing it as it does roll to hit/wound as normal and yes there are 1's and 2's on a D6... then whats it doing?

Well then...


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 Commander_Farsight wrote:
I really don't know what is wrong with you. Like not to be mean or anything, but what everyone else has been saying is totally true. I was able to beat a very seasoned player in my first 2 weeks of the game, pretty much because I was playing Tau, and ignores cover is just OP. The Buff Commander is absolutely great, especially when put in a Farsight Bomb or an O'Vesa Star. With the Farsight Enclaves supplement, Crisis Suits are Troops! The Talisman also provides the much needed Psychic defense. You can DS troops now, in units of 1 to 3. When it comes down to that untouched objective, that can be killer for your opponent. I don't know if you just had a bad game experience against Tau, but there is not much that they/you can do wrong when running a Tau army. Just as long as you don't run Space Pope. How did you get your opinion on Tau?

I'll assume you're talking to me?... Uh what's wrong with me? I don't know? I guess I don't play against power gaming WAAC Tau players that spam riptides I suppose. The games we play are typically reasonable and not spammy.

Once the Skyray has fired all its missiles it becomes a support piece that fires 2 markerlights and smart missiles that ignore line of sight. Both weapons still have Skyfire and BS4. If it survives to late game you can use it to tank shock troops off of objectives.

Back to the OP. Tau are not any more hated then GK and Necrons were in last edition. Prior to that it was Daemon Breath of Chaos spam, IG "leafblower" and Space Wolf long fang spam...before that we saw Ork Bikers and Nidzilla, going back further it was tri-falcon Harlequin spam etc. etc. ...these things come and go and there's been a long history of it.

As a Tau player, I honestly feel the book is not OP. Its the Allies rules that breaks the codex and takes it to the OP power level and that is 6th edition's fault. Tau and Eldar (Eldar view everyone else as inferior races) should not have been Battle Brothers. Tau and Space Marines (Marines and IG distrust or outright hate Xenos in every single bit of fluff/novel) should not be Battle Brothers IMO either.

I like the IG as battle brothers only because you can fluff them into Human auxillaries loyal to the Empire (also presents an interesting modelling challenge to 'tauify' IG models). EDIT: In that same vein I think it would be nice to have them as Battle Brothers for chaos as well, only because you then have a solid stand in for Traitor Guard, ignoring that you can just chaosify the normal IG models anyway.

I always kinda thought of the tau as dwarves.... No magic, all tech, short things. (yes I know, squats. I think the tau might just n less dwarfy dwarves.)

 Peregrine wrote:

It's complete nonsense. The Tau balance problems pretty much start and end with the Riptide, which is a blatant case of making an overpowered unit (which doesn't even fit the previous fluff) to sell the new $80 kit. Take away the ability to get cross-table pie plates and Tau become a lot more balanced. All of their other units are pretty limited in range, they have lots of shooting within 36" (and even more within 12-18") and JSJ mobility, but their firepower outside 36" is pretty much nonexistent and they struggle to take and hold objectives outside of their own deployment zone. The previous codex had the exact same fundamental concepts, but was a mediocre mono-build codex at best.

That is why eldar allies exist. 2 Windrider squads, a Mantleseer and a Wraithknight go a long way in remedying mobility issues.

The main reason Tau are "disliked" here is simply they get to bypass many things in the game.

You have cover, we have markerlights and Buff commanders.
You have reserves, we have EWO.
You have flyers, we have Velocity Trackers.
You have MCs, we have Buff commanders.
You have multiple high threat units, we have Target locks to kill multiple ones per turn.
You scatter while DS'ing, we drop Fbombs in your face.
You have slow units, we get to Thrust move away from you.
You have short range, we have the longest..
You need help... we can ally with almost everyone.
You have a rule that does something cool, we have a piece of wargear that does the same....

etc.. etc.. etc...

Yes, they have weaknesses, but nonetheless, they are the swiss army knife of 40k. And with the ruleset we have they are very good at what they do.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

It's complete nonsense. The Tau balance problems pretty much start and end with the Riptide, which is a blatant case of making an overpowered unit (which doesn't even fit the previous fluff) to sell the new $80 kit. Take away the ability to get cross-table pie plates and Tau become a lot more balanced. All of their other units are pretty limited in range, they have lots of shooting within 36" (and even more within 12-18") and JSJ mobility, but their firepower outside 36" is pretty much nonexistent and they struggle to take and hold objectives outside of their own deployment zone. The previous codex had the exact same fundamental concepts, but was a mediocre mono-build codex at best.

That is why eldar allies shouldn't exist. 2 Windrider squads, a Mantleseer and a Wraithknight go a long way in remedying mobility issues.

Fixed .

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
No lol. Tau do have disadvantages, it's just people are too focused on the fact they should just die in assault and that's the only way.

Most Tau models are T3, with a 4+ or a 5+. They are also mostly BS3. I can't stress enough to take out markerlights... It's that easy. My best friend mains Tau and I main Nids, I win more than my fair share of games against him... Especially with the new Nids dex.

Also, they are never going to just "delete" an entire faction lol If you want to take about overpowered broken garbage, then delete Daemons? At least I can kill Tau models. Having this 2++ rerollable death star in my deployment or closing in on it isn't something to be desired.

JY2 nearly beat (and should've) a nasty TauDar list with the widely assumed "terrible new Nids Dex", because he's a smart tactician. This game is just more then a point and click game, PLAY YOUR ARMY! Don't rely on it playing itself, you'll have a lot more fun and success.

Daemons aren't OP... Also, if you wanna deal with the deathstar, then kill the guy with the grimoire it's that simple... Same way you take out markerlights.

When I first started, I will be honest I didn't like the Tau or their tactics. But now that I have played them a few times and actually won a game against a netlist with my Orks I actually don't mind them. Games against the Tau are still not that fun, but now that I have some tactics and usually good LOS blocking terrain I do not pass up games against them. By not that fun, I mean setting up 150+ models then removing large groups of them without them ever doing anything.

Their aesthetic has been growing on me also. I am thinking about creating an Ork army with looted Tau weaponry. I would not want the Tau army removed from the game and I think they work well within the 40K universe.

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:

And if someone has brought 3 Riptides, then i'm assuming the rest of their army is rather poor. Whether its lack of scoring units, lack of support units, whatever.

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:

I'll assume you're talking to me?... Uh what's wrong with me? I don't know? I guess I don't play against power gaming WAAC Tau players that spam riptides I suppose. The games we play are typically reasonable and not spammy.

Back peddle much? You can talk about this gak until you're blue in the face. Tau and Eldar have more overpowered units than all of the other codices combined. It's been said, it will be said again and I'm saying it now. Who gives a gak at this point? It's time to move on.

The Tau a great because of all the reasons listed here. Not because they are OP, not because they are an auto win army but because tactically they play so different from every other faction.

They do have their weaknesses and if properly exploited then Tau are easy to beat. Troops are fairly squishy and have poor leadership. I tend to lose more units from falling back than due to wounds.

Not sure on the Riptide though as I haven't fielded mine yet. It does look like a monster.