Death Penalty Sought in Boston Bombing Trial

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**Jihadin**

Well D. Did you actually read to what I was replying to or did you jump the gun? Mind you I just feeding into your perception. You make it to easy.

I don't know what world you perceive, but when the bears have taken over the Hip Hop industry and forced dozens of Americans out of work, then you'll see. You'll all see!

Since I am bloodthirsty, warmongering, no emotions, willing to execute freely, and still able to think clearly without emotions or drama....kill Elmoe....he's the ring leader

**NeedleOfInquiry**

Personally, I think he should be capped at half time tomorrow on national TV.

Legally, and with a strong belief in the Constitution, I think they will be lucky keep a conviction after the appeals begin.

The FBI broke the law.

They did so at the order of the AG and the President.

That will have consequences.

Even rats got rights....

Never let the government do something wrong for a good cause.

The next time it will be for a bad cause but the precedent will be on the books.

**timetowaste85**

d-usa wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Careful D. You have patients in your VA hospital like me there Now I worry about them

Me: Everybody talking about blood lust and Sharia law. It doesn't matter one bit because we have a Constitution to follow.
You: Other cultures are not as touchy feely as us and more bloodthirsty.
Me: Great. We have a constitution to follow.
You: I've seen stuff man. I've been in combat and this is how it is in war. That is how they fight. You also don't treat Veterans like you should because you disagree with me on this. Try to be a better worker.
Me: Great. We have a constitution to follow.
You: I don't feel any emotions! Did I mention that I've seen stuff?
Me: Here is your argument so far...
You: I worry about your patients!

Updated.

Going to make some sort of actual point in this thread or is it going to be more of the same?

I figured the thread had run its course after I had admitted to trolling one person and it continued as if I never said so.

**Jihadin**

Why I think he get out of the death penalty. Interrogation without a lawyer there. Granted I fully understand why they did it (interrogating him) to confirm there were no other IED's or individuals involve. Someone mention hacking his sack off as punishment and I refer the right hand being chopped off being more effective of that nature.

If he does get life someone opting him out in general pop

**whembly**

Verdict came back... (via twittah)

Sentenced to Death.

EDIT: sauce

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will receive the death penalty for his role in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing that killed three people and injured more than 200.

Tsarnaev was found guilty on all 30 charges in the bombing and its aftermath by the same jury in April. The jury had to unanimously agree to sentence him to the death penalty.

Defense lawyers had argued that Tsarnaev had been influenced by his brother, Tamerlan, who died as officers pursued the two brothers, and that his life should be spared. But federal prosecutors painted him as a cold-hearted killer that deserves the death penalty.
Arguments wrapped up earlier this week and the jury deliberated for 14 hours before reaching a conclusion. A number of survivors sat in the court to hear the verdict's announcement, including relatives of Martin Richard, the 8-year-old boy who died in the blast.

As part of those 30 counts, the jury also found Tsarnaev responsible for the death of a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer who died in a firefight with the two brothers as they tried to escape.

Lu Lingzi, 23, and Krystle Campbell, 29, were also killed in the attack. Sean Collier, 26, was the officer who died after the Tsarnaev brothers shot him in his squad car in Cambridge, Mass.

Massachusetts does not have the death penalty but prosecutors brought Tsarnaev up on federal charges. While federal judges have sentenced people to the death penalty as recently as last year, no one on death row has been executed since 2003, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

This story was updated at 3:30 p.m.

**Jihadin**

Average wait to get executed on Federal Death Row is 15 years. I've a feeling another inmate going to kill him

**d-usa**

McVeigh went pretty fast, but I want to say that he didn't appeal.

**Alpharius**

Now that the verdict is in and the jury can no longer be unduly influenced by any outside factors or opinions, I'd like to know what Dreadclaw69 thinks about all of this.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
McVeigh went pretty fast, but I want to say that he didn't appeal.

He requested it... via Google:

Timothy J. McVeigh has decided to end the appeal of his death sentence for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and has asked a federal judge to have him executed within four months.Dec 13, 2000

I remembered that because I recall thinking that he *requested* to be executed.

**Jihadin**

whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:
McVeigh went pretty fast, but I want to say that he didn't appeal.

He requested it... via Google:

Timothy J. McVeigh has decided to end the appeal of his death sentence for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and has asked a federal judge to have him executed within four months.Dec 13, 2000

I remembered that because I recall thinking that he *requested* to be executed.

I remember that.

Edit

Wonder if there be an out cry of him not getting a fair trial now being it was done in Boston

**curran12**

I doubt there are much people on this guy's side, Jihadin. The verdict was really never in doubt, the only point of contention is whether or not he would get life or death.

**Grey Templar**

curran12 wrote:
I doubt there are much people on this guy's side, Jihadin. The verdict was really never in doubt, the only point of contention is whether or not he would get life or death.

Indeed. This case was basically the definition of open and shut.

**Jihadin**

Hey.....you never know

One can say the entire process was stacked against him from the get go

You always have that one egg in the basket that will upset the apple cart

**curran12**

Jihadin wrote:
Hey.....you never know
One can say the entire process was stacked against him from the get go
You always have that one egg in the basket that will upset the apple cart

Well, truth be told, the case was stacked against him. Cause of the evidence. Not so much the process.

The defense's strategy from the get-go was "yes he did it, but we want to avoid the death penalty." The trial itself was incredibly fast, it took about 4 months, quite fast given the scale.

The only real upset people I can see coming from this are more towards opposition to the death penalty. I kinda find myself in a weird position because most of the time I am against the death penalty, but in this circumstance, I feel it is justified.

**Jihadin**

Wonder where the Feds are getting the meds to execute peeps on death row

**Grey Templar**

Jihadin wrote:
Wonder where the Feds are getting the meds to execute peeps on death row

The truly sad bit about that is there are ways that are far cheaper and guaranteed to ensure quick and painless death.

**whembly**

Alpharius wrote:
Now that the verdict is in and the jury can no longer be unduly influenced by any outside factors or opinions, I'd like to know what Dreadclaw69 thinks about all of this.

Is there some inside joke that I'm not privy to? What am I missing?

Anyhoo, lay off of twitter for a while guys... it's getting atrocious.

Also, 538 has something about the length it'll take before he meets his maker:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-likely-wont-face-execution-for-a-very-long-time/

**Alpharius**

Hasn't it been something like 12 years since the last Death Row execution took place?

**Henry**

curran12 wrote:
The only real upset people I can see coming from this are more towards opposition to the death penalty. I kinda find myself in a weird position because most of the time I am against the death penalty, but in this circumstance, I feel it is justified.

This is a shame. The civilized world has rightfully abandoned the death penalty. I hope you are soon able to balance the side of you which demands justice with the humane part of you that opposes the death penalty. Justice does not necessarily result from death.

**whembly**

Henry wrote:
curran12 wrote:
The only real upset people I can see coming from this are more towards opposition to the death penalty. I kinda find myself in a weird position because most of the time I am against the death penalty, but in this circumstance, I feel it is justified.

This is a shame. The civilized world has rightfully abandoned the death penalty. I hope you are soon able to balance the side of you which demands justice with the humane part of you that opposes the death penalty. Justice does not necessarily result from death.

I have a very tenuous support for the death penalty.

You can't deny that there's some sort of justice in this ruling.

**Dreadclaw69**

Grey Templar wrote:
curran12 wrote:
I doubt there are much people on this guy's side, Jihadin. The verdict was really never in doubt, the only point of contention is whether or not he would get life or death.

Indeed. This case was basically the definition of open and shut.

If I recall the prosecution didn't even attempt to argue that he was innocent. Instead it was that he had fallen under the sway of his deceased brother, and that it was all the brother's fault.

**Grey Templar**

Henry wrote:
curran12 wrote:
The only real upset people I can see coming from this are more towards opposition to the death penalty. I kinda find myself in a weird position because most of the time I am against the death penalty, but in this circumstance, I feel it is justified.

This is a shame. The civilized world has rightfully abandoned the death penalty. I hope you are soon able to balance the side of you which demands justice with the humane part of you that opposes the death penalty. Justice does not necessarily result from death.

The death penalty has its place. Even if you have the best rehab programs, there are some people who cannot be cured. And people who are straight up evil. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be fixed. The only way to make the world better is to remove them from it. Thus the death penalty is necessary.

All complaints against the Death Penalty are actually problems with the legal system, not the punishment itself. Its ignoring the greater problems, out of ignorance(willful or not), in favor of a convenient target without tackling the real issues. Its SJW'ing at its finest, look like you are trying to fix problems without actually having to do anything.

Yes, Justice doesn't always result from death, it proceeds from many punishments. Death is simply an option among them.

**Henry**

whembly wrote:
Henry wrote:
curran12 wrote:
The only real upset people I can see coming from this are more towards opposition to the death penalty. I kinda find myself in a weird position because most of the time I am against the death penalty, but in this circumstance, I feel it is justified.

This is a shame. The civilized world has rightfully abandoned the death penalty. I hope you are soon able to balance the side of you which demands justice with the humane part of you that opposes the death penalty. Justice does not necessarily result from death.

I have a very tenuous support for the death penalty.

You can't deny that there's some sort of justice in this ruling.

I certainly will not deny that it feels as though justice has been carried out.

**Vaktathi**

Alpharius wrote:
Hasn't it been something like 12 years since the last Death Row execution took place?

At the Federal level yes. Even if he gets "fast tracked" like McVeigh, it'll be six or eight years at a minimum, more likely fifteen, twenty or more.

**Wyzilla**

Ugh, the death penalty. Clearly the proper response to mass killings is to add another body to the pile. I really wish America would ditch the death penalty, it's senseless and achieves nothing besides petty retribution and it does not bring the dead back. Especially when the natural state of the human mind is not a flying rodent gak insane bomber wanting to kill tens or hundreds of people- that's the sign of something being tweaked.

Even if he couldn't be rehabilitated, it's better to have tried and failed than never tried at all. Besides, death is a gakky punishment. Once you whack somebody they're sent on a one way train to oblivion. They don't live with anything. They don't learn anything about their actions... because they're dead and their brain has ceased all function.

The best punishment for any pyschopath is to correct the damage done to their mind (either by a terrible upbringing/abuse or being born with a defective brain), restore the ability to feel empathy, and let them spend the rest of their lives wallowing in guilt.

**Vaktathi**

Personally, I'm not against the death penalty in theory. In some cases, there legitimately are people who do just need to die. There are some things that truly do simply deserve retribution or where rehabilitation is impossible.

That said, in practice I'm against the death penalty, partly as I believe the justice system really shouldn't be about retribution, and I also don't think the system is strong enough to protect against miscarriages of justice resulting in the execution of innocent people, and there's plenty of evidence of that.

I also certainly don't think it's any more of a deterrent than long jail sentences are, particularly when most people are not expecting to get caught in the first place when commiting such crimes or simply don't care.

**Grey Templar**

Wyzilla wrote:
Ugh, the death penalty. Clearly the proper response to mass killings is to add another body to the pile. I really wish America would ditch the death penalty, it's senseless and achieves nothing besides petty retribution and it does not bring the dead back. Especially when the natural state of the human mind is not a flying rodent gak insane bomber wanting to kill tens or hundreds of people- that's the sign of something being tweaked.

Even if he couldn't be rehabilitated, it's better to have tried and failed than never tried at all. Besides, death is a gakky punishment. Once you whack somebody they're sent on a one way train to oblivion. They don't live with anything. They don't learn anything about their actions... because they're dead and their brain has ceased all function.

The best punishment for any pyschopath is to correct the damage done to their mind (either by a terrible upbringing/abuse or being born with a defective brain), restore the ability to feel empathy, and let them spend the rest of their lives wallowing in guilt.

And what about people who have no sense of guilt, but aren't psychologically damaged? Many killers are perfectly sane individuals. No amount of therapy is going to make them grow a sense of shame.

Tsarneav is perfectly sane, so was his brother. He wasn't a crazy individual who snapped and decided to kill a bunch of people with his brother. They plotted to kill and maim people. Not only without any sense of shame, but actual elation in the death and pain they were going to cause.

This type of person cannot be cured or reasoned with. They're like rabid dogs, the only solution is to remove them from society permanently.

And even in the event of true psychological damage, its not always curable. Prolonging their life could be cruel and only prolongs their suffering, and highly dangerous to the people who have to look after this insane individual. There is a bit of grey area for sure, but not everyone who commits horrific acts is acting on psychological damage.

**Anpu42**

-I see 4 real choices:

Execution: Quick simple and if yu use a rope it will cost $20 at Home Depot and it is reusable.

Life in Prison [Solitary]: He spends the rest of his life in a 8'x8' cell alone to think about the fact that now this his world. (To me the second worse thing you can do to anybody.]. Cost the state millions.

Life in Prison [General Population]: He gets to spend the rest of his life waiting for a shank. [To my the most cruel.] Cost probably lest than a million.

Life in Prison [Medieval]: Toss him in a deep hole and come back in 30 days. [I like this choice]. Cost, the gas to find a deep hole.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

You forgot scaphism. Look it up. Or rather, do not look it up, it is quite disturbing.

**Ghazkuul**

d-usa wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Careful D. You have patients in your VA hospital like me there Now I worry about them

Me: Everybody talking about blood lust and Sharia law. It doesn't matter one bit because we have a Constitution to follow.
You: Other cultures are not as touchy feely as us and more bloodthirsty.
Me: Great. We have a constitution to follow.
You: I've seen stuff man. I've been in combat and this is how it is in war. That is how they fight. You also don't treat Veterans like you should because you disagree with me on this. Try to be a better worker.
Me: Great. We have a constitution to follow.
You: I don't feel any emotions! Did I mention that I've seen stuff?
Me: Here is your argument so far...
You: I worry about your patients!

Updated.

Going to make some sort of actual point in this thread or is it going to be more of the same?

Rule 1 mate, dig back a few months to insult someone like that again and you'll be having a holiday